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quote Originally posted by cliffw: That's great. [sarcasm] You are letting undergraduates help form the beliefs you are constantly preaching. Again, do you know how to think? You joined a cult . . .

My reference is to the climate scientists' undergraduate educations when they were undergraduates, before they studied at the graduate and postgraduate levels. Michael Mann, for example. I posted a link to his "bio" a few messages back before this one:

quote 1989 A.B. (double), University of California-Berkeley, Applied Math, Physics (Honors)

After that, he went on to earn graduate level degrees from Yale; to wit:

quote 1991 M.S. Yale University, Department of Physics 1991 M.Phil. Yale University, Department of Physics 1998 Ph.D. Yale University, Department of Geology & Geophysics

In the words of the National Football Leagues's legendary Hank Stram, 1923-2005, who coached the American Football Conference Kansas City Chiefs to Super Bowl I (lost) and Super Bowl IV (won), Michael Mann "kept matriculating the ball down the field" at Yale, after completing his undergraduate education at UC Berkeley. (So to speak.)


Hank Stram (not Michael Mann)

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quote Originally posted by rinselberg: Let's move on from this "rabbit hole" about why I ...

Are you going to dig another one ?

quote Originally posted by rinselberg: "Wind energy in the Gulf gets an unlikely fan: The oil industry"

Why yes, yes you are, .

quote Originally posted by rinselberg: Support for President Biden's plan to open up the Gulf of Mexico to offshore wind development is coming from a surprising place: the oil and gas industry in the region. The fossil fuel industry has loudly criticized many of Biden's climate and energy policies, including his plan for offshore oil and gas drilling in federal waters over the next five years. But the [oil and gas] sector sees an opportunity for workers with experience on offshore drilling rigs to transfer their skills to offshore wind farms, according to interviews with industry officials.

Do you believe everything you hear / read ?
Sure, the [oil and gas] sector sees an opportunity for workers with experience on offshore drilling rigs to transfer their skills to offshore wind farms.
As hard as it is to get workers, new workers to educate, they are going to send them to a different industry, , .

There is all this talk about how wind charms will create work the likes of blue collar workers would want. What kind of tasks does a wind charm need ? Will that work support 40 men 24/7/365 days per month ? On just one drilling rig. I would think that the drilling crew of one rig could maintain and operate 100 wind charms per month.

How many of these wind charm jobs are still available ? Obama gave them to the coal industry. Biden gave them to the pipe liners.

quote Originally posted by rinselberg: We're all for wind energy in the Gulf,” said Mike Moncla, president of the Louisiana Oil and Gas Association, a trade association representing more than 1,100 independent producers and service companies in the state. “Putting in platforms and using crew boats—those things are definitely transferrable” from offshore drilling platforms to offshore wind turbines, Moncla said.

Putting in platforms. Do they have electric cranes and boats ? I am sure the the Louisiana Oil and Gas Association may have said that. You want to kiss up to those in government who intend to eliminate Fossil Fuels.

quote Originally posted by rinselberg: "Exploring Use of Wind Energy to Power North Sea [Oil and Gas] Operations" It takes energy to operate offshore oil and gas drilling platforms and the associated infrastructure. If that energy is created from wind turbines instead of oil and/or gas (as it's always been done, heretofore), that's an improvement from the climate mitigation perspective, as it nets a reduction in the carbon dioxide emissions ...

There you go again. Believing in that green god.

I have better things to do than do your critical thinking for you.

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I found a blog post. It dates from 2015, but even today, after 7 years have passed, it's just as good. Like a wine that's improved by having been cellar-aged.

"Wind Power by 2050"

quote Beyond solar power, which is considered to be the top dog of alternative energy, wind power has also been experiencing a surge of growth in recent years. Already, the industry supports thousands of jobs within the manufacturing and service sectors. And with prices dropping due to ongoing innovation and improvements made in the technology, it is set to occupy an ever-increasing share of the global market. In fact, according to a report issued this past March by the Department of Energy, the growth of wind power in the United States could lead to even more highly skilled jobs in many categories. Titled "Wind Vision: A New Era for Wind Power in the United States", the document indicates that by 2050, more than 600,000 wind-related jobs could be supported, and that the industry itself could account for as much as 35% of the country's electrical production. . . .

Matt Williams for hero^x; 5 minute read (from 2015).
https://www.herox.com/blog/281-wind-power-by-2050

Here's a "page" for Matt Williams:
https://www.herox.com/crowd...ty/mattwilliams-1277

I don't see any obvious connection here between this Matt Williams and the wind energy industry that amounts to a "conflict of interest".

I consider the Floating Offshore Wind Shot as still very speculative. I've talked about the prospects for floating offshore wind farms that would provide electricity for California. If it goes well for California, there could be openings for many white collar and blue collar workers, to improve already existing infrastructure and to create new infrastructure to support the manufacture of the wind turbines and the construction of the wind farms. Work involving the upgrading of industrial dockside facilities. Dredging projects. Bridges may need to be raised or replaced, in order to accommodate the ships that would transport wind farm construction equipment and wind turbine components to the offshore project sites.

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