Could Russia be invaded? (Page 2/3)
82-T/A [At Work] SEP 12, 08:52 AM

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Originally posted by Raydar:

Posted in this section, because it will likely end up here, anyway.
So... everything I've seen, lately, seems to indicate that the Russians are running scared.

If that's the case, might this not give some enterprising country pause to consider, if only briefly, that possibly they could capture a not-so-small chunk of Russian real-estate?

Thoughts?





What do I know... but I assume that anyone invading Russia would likely face the same issue that Russia is facing in the Ukraine. There are millions of people in Russia with weapons, and while demoralized, the Russians still have pride for their country, and definitely would not want it to be run by, or become part of another country.

The next question I would have is... what country would invade? NATO wouldn't, and the European countries really don't have their own militaries, I mean... I know they do, but the extent that any one of these countries has a military that isn't otherwise assigned to NATO/OTAN orders, except perhaps France or Germany... is really pretty pathetic at this point.

Finally, if someone did try to invade Russia, it would most certainly elicit a response from China, who would also engage militarily. China is formerly the foe of the Russian empire / USSR / Russia, so it would be interesting to see how that would work. They have differing Marxist ideologies... so I could see China perhaps being an "occupying force" that "protects" Russia, though secretly turning the wheels and manipulating the new government in whatever sense that would occur. Plus, whichever country was initiating the invasion, they could use nuclear weapons on them. At that point... the leadership wouldn't care because they'd know that they would be killed anyway if they were taken over.



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Originally posted by RWDPLZ:

Remember, Ukraine is in this mess because they gave up their nuclear weapons after the Soviet Union fell. Once they become a nuclear power once again, much like North Korea, nobody will dare invade for threat of mutually assured destruction. They don't need enough nukes to take out the entirety of Russia, just Moscow, that's where the decision makers and their money are.




Slight Correction, when Bill Clinton forced Ukraine to give all their fighter jets to Iran, all their weapons to India, and all their nuclear warheads back to Russia.
Raydar SEP 12, 09:42 AM

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Originally posted by 82-T/A [At Work]:

...China is formerly the foe of the Russian empire / USSR / Russia, so it would be interesting to see how that would work. They have differing Marxist ideologies... so I could see China perhaps being an "occupying force" that "protects" Russia, though secretly turning the wheels and manipulating the new government in whatever sense that would occur.




That was one thing that I considered.

(And no... Brandon wouldn't try. Not a chance. Even he isn't that dim.)

Good thoughts, everyone. As I posted in the beginning, this was merely a "what if". It was, by design, not well thought through.
(I still wonder how "rusty" their nukes are. No. I don't want to find out. )

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Fats SEP 13, 12:18 AM

Once again, China and Russia are Allies and have been for a long time.

BRICS.

Brazil, Russia, India, China and South Africa. Google it, It's good stuff.

They work together, they have their own communications network and their own world power plans as a group. They aren't going to invade each other, they are going to work to make us (including Europe) weak and make BRICS members dominant.
82-T/A [At Work] SEP 13, 08:48 AM

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Originally posted by Fats:


Once again, China and Russia are Allies and have been for a long time.

BRICS.

Brazil, Russia, India, China and South Africa. Google it, It's good stuff.

They work together, they have their own communications network and their own world power plans as a group. They aren't going to invade each other, they are going to work to make us (including Europe) weak and make BRICS members dominant.




Yes, definitely... I was merely stating that they were formerly adversaries (they built military bases along their borders), and that China would support Russia during an invasion. BUT... if the invasion got to the point where the government of Russia had collapsed... I would think China would very likely turn some wheels and make Russia somewhat subservient to them. All of that is fallacy though, because I just don't see it happening.
Wichita SEP 13, 02:02 PM
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blackrams SEP 14, 08:48 AM
I believe that one could realistically compare many conflicts the US has been involved in with the current Russia/Ukraine "Special Military Operation".

If, intelligence reports can be believed then, the average Russian is not fully behind the Russian/Ukraine War. Ukraine has and is putting up one hell of a fight if reports can be believed. So, if western and Ukrainian Intel can be believed then the "Special Operation" is not going the way Putin would like it to go. Purportedly, Russian soldiers are deserting and leaving fully functional equipment behind. Ukraine has cut most of the supply lines. Not getting food, munitions, replacement parts and assistance from the rear plays one hell of a roll in a soldier's attitude (especially when in a foreign conflict away from home).

Reference anyone else invading the homeland of Russia, the above does not apply, soldiers and citizens will defend their own homeland to the death but, not all will willingly serve those lands not home. We know this from our own experiences. Russia's citizens and soldiers are no different. While many would not serve in our own military in a foreign conflict, one can reasonably believe most of those same folks would help defend our homeland. But, there will always be those who would stand back and watch other's die so long as they don't have to risk anything.

Rams
williegoat SEP 14, 11:39 AM

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Originally posted by blackrams:

I believe that one could realistically compare many conflicts the US has been involved in with the current Russia/Ukraine "Special Military Operation".

If, intelligence reports can be believed then, the average Russian is not fully behind the Russian/Ukraine War...

Rams


A Russian folk group that I listen to often, posted the following on their web site back in February. I understand that this is only anecdotal evidence, but it seems to support the idea that the Russian people are opposed to the war.

https://otava-yo.spb.ru/en/news

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Dear friends!

A terrible tragedy took place and affected all of us. We a totally crushed with what is happening now in brotherly Ukraine. It was impossible to imagine anything like this but the worst possible thing that could happen is taking place right now before our own eyes. And we all are unwilling participants of these tragic events.

Due to these circumstances, we are cancelling all our upcoming concerts. We are working on technical issues related to tickets return and will soon make this announcement. We are sorry but under these circumstances we cannot pretend that nothing is happening and continue playing our cheerful music.

Please refrain from hateful comments at least out of respect to the members of our group whose relatives are forced to hide from shells and explosions in the basements of their houses in Ukraine. We hope for prudence and reason of the once who can ensure peaceful resolution of the conflict.



I am both surprised and encouraged that they are able to speak their mind.
Wichita SEP 14, 12:50 PM

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olejoedad SEP 14, 03:18 PM

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Originally posted by Wichita:






Because it should be said again....