Is it something in the air ? (Page 19/20)
rinselberg JAN 28, 06:26 PM

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Don't eat meat, don't eat plants. What's left?



This (what I quote here from another forum member) is like 10,000 miles distant (so to speak) from the Original Post, which was about the California Air Resources Board or CARB's ideas about replacing diesel-powered truck traffic with trucks that could transport the same amount of freight over the same highways and service roads, but with lower carbon dioxide or CO2 emissions.

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The proposal would require medium and heavy-duty trucks entering ports and rail yards to be fully electric by 2035.


I wont say that I myself have not helped "defocus" the thread from what it was originally about.

But I think it's well to take stock of where this thread has arrived, relative to where it began. It's like one of those long distance tornados that touches down and starts doing damage, and then stays down as it moves along the ground for—I dunno—70 miles or something, doing damage all the way along its path... I'd have to check to see what's considered an upper limit for these kinds of storms.

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randye JAN 29, 12:53 AM

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"....take stock of where this thread has arrived, relative to where it began."




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cliffw JAN 29, 08:45 AM

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Originally posted by rinselberg:
I'm talking about short stretches of roadway where currently, diesel-powered trucks load freight that's been offloaded from container ships and move it farther inland, where there are railroad and long distance trucking facilities to ship the freight to destinations nationwide.



Yeah. That would save the planet and all life forms on it, .

Move all the loading areas six miles away.

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rinselberg JAN 29, 10:58 AM

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Originally posted by cliffw:
Yeah. That would save the planet and all life forms on it, Move all the loading areas six miles away.


No one is talking about moving any loading areas.

It's just a fact that there are locations in California (and likely in some other states) where there's a port facility that loads and unloads cargo from container ships or other cargo ships, and then, some miles distant ("six miles" is just one example, that I remember), a railroad terminal and/or long distance trucking warehouses and loading and unloading facilities.

These are already built facilities, where diesel-powered trucks are constantly shuttling and moving freight in both directions between the two ends of these road corridors.

The forum member who started this thread "five pages and nine score messages ago" posted a link to a report about the idea that's been promoted by the California Air Resources Board or "CARB", to replace these diesel-powered trucks with electric trucks. Just the trucks that are shuttling back and forth on these short corridors of roadway that are used for these intermodal transport operations.

Instead of regurgitating any more of that report, here's the link. It's neither difficult or lengthy reading. Just a few paragraphs.
https://dailycaller.com/202...es-racist-practices/

I'm not sure where the idea stands now. That report is from the end of 3Q 2022.

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williegoat JAN 29, 11:40 AM
So, the container is handled twice. Twice as many cranes, gantries, lifts and operators. Twice as much energy consumption. More money for the unions and the state.

Trucks which operate intrastate in Cal fall under a whole new set of Caltrans and CARB regs, and pay additional fees to the state.
If you pickup and deliver within Cal once, you must now register with Caltrans. It doesn't matter that you are a 48 state carrier domiciled in another state. I learned this "the hard way". Think of California as a foreign country.

CARB already has a whole host of additional regulations specifically for trucks going into the ports.
rinselberg JAN 29, 12:16 PM

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Originally posted by williegoat:

So, the container is handled twice. Twice as many cranes, gantries, lifts and operators. Twice as much energy consumption. More money for the unions and the state.

Trucks which operate intrastate in Cal fall under a whole new set of Caltrans and CARB regs, and pay additional fees to the state. If you pickup and deliver within Cal once, you must now register with Caltrans. It doesn't matter that you are a 48 state carrier domiciled in another state.

I learned this "the hard way". Think of California as a foreign country.

CARB already has a whole host of additional regulations specifically for trucks going into the ports.


I can't imagine that California is the only state that has these "short road corridor" trucking scenarios, with diesel-powered trucks moving freight in both directions and "shuttling" between two long distance freight transport hubs, like a container ship port and a railroad or long distance trucking terminus. I guess there could be road corridors of the same kind, where one of the end points is a major airport. Air freight.

I'm sure that California's regulatory schemes would be "distinctive", but I have seen where Siemens has been trying to promote the idea of overhead electrification for short haul trucking in various places around the world. There has been a demonstration project of the Siemens "eHIghway" system for short haul trucking at the port of Long Beach, just south of Los Angeles.

Overhead electrification for trucks is not the only "play". CARB is part of a consortium that has been promoting a diesel truck engine design that is optimized for lower carbon dioxide and other kinds of emissions. I don't know where that stands, either. I could probably find a YouTube video about it. That's where I remember seeing it.

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williegoat JAN 29, 12:38 PM
When I worked for JB, we had separate fleets for ocean and rail cans.

The Ocean fleet picked up at the ports of Long Beach or LA and dropped in Phx or El Paso. These cities are the "other end", with big container yards.

It is similar with rail cans, where many cities have rail yards with container handling equipment. The can will go by truck from the rail yard to its destination.

Rail cans which come in on ships can go directly on the rail.

When CARB started putting the squeeze on container trucks at the ports, it put a lot of small, independent businessmen, many immigrants, out of work.

edit: Also, each time you handle cargo, it introduces additional delay in the supply chain. I don't know about you, but I am sick of hearing about supply chain delays.

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williegoat JAN 29, 02:41 PM
This might help some to understand: How Container Ports Work: Logistics of Intermodal Transport
MidEngineManiac JAN 30, 10:42 AM

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Originally posted by williegoat:

edit: Also, each time you handle cargo, it introduces additional delay in the supply chain. I don't know about you, but I am sick of hearing about supply chain delays.




A-yup.

That globalization, centralization, zone-specialization agenda worked out REAL well, didnt it ?

I recall 1st hearing the idea in the early-80's and thought "what a bunch of ****in idiots". My opinion of it has only gotten worse over the years. A 15-16-17 year old kid could see a million "what if that happens" holes in the concept, but all those willie-e-coyote geniuses couldn't. So now 40 years later we have millions of lost jobs, almost nil manufacturing capability, and rely on an communist enemy for goods supply.

AAAbbbbsssoooooLLLUUUUTTTTEEEEEllllllYYYYYY brilliant.

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rinselberg JAN 31, 12:10 PM
"Green projects are boosting UK growth [according to] CBI report"

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The transition to a greener economy is worth £71bn and has brought jobs and investment to parts of the UK experiencing industrial decline.

Those are the key findings of a new report written by the Confederation of British Industry (CBI).

The drive to reach net zero emissions involves more than 20,000 businesses, it calculates.

Some 840,000 jobs are linked to sectors ranging from renewable energy to waste management, it adds.


As the old saying goes, "The article continues online."

BBC News; January 31, 2023.
https://www.bbc.com/news/sc...environment-64440827


"The UK is seen as a world leader in renewable energy technology such as offshore wind turbines."