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ray b
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MAR 12, 09:25 AM
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| quote | Originally posted by rinselberg:
A "first"... Feds charge San Diego resident with illegal importation of Greenhouse Gases from Mexico.
U.S. Department of Justice; March 4, 2024.
https://www.justice.gov/opa...-gases-united-states
"Don't bogart that fluorocarbon"
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well the nixon era HFC OZONE DEPLETION
WAS REAL as was the increase in skin cancers
AND THE HOLE IS CLOSING
WE CAN BOTH SCREW UP THE PLANET
AND FIX IT
BTW PROPANE and CO2 both will ''work'' as a heat/cooling air conditioning gas
a lesson on the anti-G W lying cult should learn
WE CAN FIX IT
BUT IF THEY WILL NOT EVEN TRY we can't do chit
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williegoat
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MAR 12, 11:09 AM
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"Look Henry, there goes one of those hippies! Quick, turn up the air conditioning."
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Mickey_Moose
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MAR 12, 01:21 PM
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| quote | Originally posted by rinselberg:
mainstream climate researchers have already produced?
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...you mean the same "climate researchers" that were predicating the coming ice age in the early 70's??
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rinselberg
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MAR 12, 02:58 PM
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| quote | Originally posted by Mickey_Moose:
...you mean the same "climate researchers" that were predicating the coming Ice Age in the early 1970s? |
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That's an exaggeration that's even been called a "myth" by researchers who have looked at archives from the 1970s to assess what was actually being written.
I guess you could call it an "urban legend."
"That ’70s myth—did climate science really call for a “coming ice age?”
| quote | One of the undying, zombie-like arguments against climate change is that you can’t trust climate scientists because they started out making doom and gloom claims about global cooling in the 1970s. But this, along with many other things comedian Dennis Miller has said on late night talk shows, needn’t be taken seriously.
By the time fears of an ice age reached the public's attention, there was a long history of concerns about warming. The idea that burning fossil fuels would warm the planet can be traced back to an 1896 paper by Swedish scientist Svante Arrhenius. In the 1930s, Britain’s Guy Callendar concluded that global warming was already underway. So it seems a bit odd that anyone worried about cooling. What was really going on back in the '70s—both in science and in the media? . . . |
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Scott K. Johnson for Ars Technica; June 7, 2016.
https://arstechnica.com/sci...or-a-coming-ice-age/
Just a few days ago, I posted something else:
https://www.fiero.nl/forum/...000494-40.html#p1571
Reply message #1571 on the previous page of this thread, about how most of the Earth's 4.5-billion year history is actually irrelevant to what today's climate researchers and other decision makers have "on their plate" in so far as the understanding of the Earth's climate, how human greenhouse gas emissions are changing it, and what Climate Mitigation and Climate Adaptation strategies are the most promising in terms of benefiting humans around the world.[This message has been edited by rinselberg (edited 03-12-2024).]
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ray b
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MAR 13, 08:01 AM
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| quote | Originally posted by Mickey_Moose:
...you mean the same "climate researchers" that were predicating the coming ice age in the early 70's?? |
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so you want to wait until it is too late to stop the rise of temps and water
because you read some BS on a blog
how very con of you
HFC was a problem
limiting the making of HFC and use BY LAWS
fixed the problem
some stuff we do need a government for
other wise as our CON's want we wind up in Hatti
with gangs like the Gop running everything poorly
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rinselberg
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MAR 14, 06:23 AM
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"Methane emissions from U.S. oil and gas operations cost the nation $10 billion per year"
| quote | | Stanford-led research shows methane emissions from a large share of U.S. oil and gas facilities are three times higher on average than the level predicted by official government estimates. |
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Andrew Myers for Stanford University News; March 13, 2024.
https://news.stanford.edu/?p=49961
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| quote | Oil and gas operations across the United States are emitting more than 6 million tons per year of methane, the main component of natural gas and the most abundant greenhouse gas after carbon dioxide, according to Stanford-led research [that was] published [on] March 13 in [the science journal] Nature.
These emissions, which result from both intentional vents and unintentional leaks, amount to $1 billion in lost commercial value for energy producers. The annual cost rises to $10 billion when researchers account for harm to the economy and human well-being caused by adding this amount of heat-trapping methane to Earth’s atmosphere.
The new emission and cost estimates are roughly three times the level predicted by the U.S. government.
The results are based on approximately 1 million aerial measurements of U.S. wells, pipelines, storage, and transmission facilities in six of the nation’s most productive regions, including the Permian and Forth Worth in Texas and New Mexico; California’s San Joaquin basin; Colorado’s Denver-Julesburg basin; Pennsylvania’s section of the Appalachian basin; and Utah’s Uinta basin.
In all, the infrastructure surveyed in this study accounts for 52% of U.S. onshore oil production and 29% of gas production. |
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"Oil Fields Release Far More Methane Than Thought, Study Finds"
| quote | In parts of New Mexico, more than 9 percent of all natural gas produced goes into the atmosphere, where it acts as a powerful greenhouse gas. . . .
Methane is the main component of natural gas, and when released unburned into the atmosphere it acts as an extremely powerful greenhouse gas. It can warm the planet more than 80 times as much as the same amount of carbon dioxide over a 20-year period. |
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Hiroko Tabuchi for the New York Times; March 13, 2024.
https://www.nytimes.com/202...methane-release.html[This message has been edited by rinselberg (edited 03-14-2024).]
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cliffw
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MAR 14, 09:39 AM
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[QUOTE]Originally posted by rinselberg:
What is this crap,  ?
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cliffw
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MAR 14, 09:42 AM
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| quote | Originally posted by rinselberg:
These methane emissions from the oil and gas industry, which result from both intentional vents and unintentional leaks, amount to $1 billion in lost commercial value for energy producers.
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How so ?
You would have us believe energy producers do not care about one billion dollars, ?
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rinselberg
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MAR 14, 09:56 AM
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cliffw
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MAR 14, 10:14 AM
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Interesting the video claimed "keeping the ocean clean". Municipalities have cleaned waterways for many many years. All that is is a different power source. Does it dwarf the size of a conventionally powered water treatment facility ?
How do they control growth under those panels ? Do weeds even grow there ?
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