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theBDub

APR 22, 10:02 AM

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Originally posted by randye:

Cometh and explain why you so desperately want to discuss sex with other people's small children.

Cometh and explain why you support perverts that want to discuss sex with other people's small children.

Cometh and explain why you are so against common sense laws that prohibit you from discussing sex with other people's small children.

This whole idea that Democrats are groomers is complete and utter bullshit.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wi...es#2020%E2%80%932022

This list includes sexual scandals for both parties that occurred while in federal office. It has more Republican than Democrat, but of course, this is any type of sexual scandal so it's not focused on children. There are more Republican than Democrat.

Here are some recent Republican ones:

Anotha' one.

Of course, Democrats have also been accused and convicted. I haven't verified this list, but I saw this list of both Democrat and Republican. It's pretty well split down the middle:

https://gamefaqs.gamespot.c...61-politics/77861810

I don't think there is any true political party difference in pedophiles, and so far I can't find any evidence that Democrats commit child sexual crimes any more than Republicans. The (recent) idea that Democrats are a bunch of pedos and groomers is just a political strategy, one that many here seem to have fallen for very easily.

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theBDub

APR 22, 10:48 AM

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Originally posted by WonderBoy:

Notice how you left out Reproductive in your second sentence. You had it in the first but not the second. You're trying to dumb it down to just organs. (Go to bottom of page for a REPEAT explanation)

Reproductive organs are organs.

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Originally posted by WonderBoy:
This is where the topic at hand shifts AGAIN:
School Choice

The AVAILABILITY to raise those to have the ability to think in a certain way. The perpetrators and those who forced me to write that 'short' list want FULL CONTROL of ALL future generations. Sure (they say), you can have school choice, but you must pay for BOTH, the education you want YOUR child to have (out of pocket $$$), and an education in a system you don't want YOUR child to have (taxes). Those sneaky DEMOcRATs put 'their' subjects in a pickle of a situation:
Conform or go Bankrupt

For if this were not true, why all the push back/fight against school choice?
What's the US rating in the world when it comes to education? What's the reason for the low numbers? Why the need to dumb down answers/tests/exams?

Not much choice for the MAJORITY when it comes to $$$. They lied about inflation (they were warned). They lied about pay raises (they were warned, still back to the consumer to pay for).

Seeing that a lot nowadays, involving many areas of life. Behavioral/living adjustments through fear. Fear of lossing money (runs it all) and fear of ones health/safety (life, liberty, happiness). You also can look at the possibility of Home schooling. But that for the MAJORITY is not fully possible for everyone (can only cut back so much)....since the economic system(s) put in place in the past century have FORCED both parents to have fulltime jobs (participate in the workforce someway) to support the budget they were FORCED to live by. The powers that be want this. It's by design. Notice how both political parties really do nothing for the middle class other than crumbs? That's right, crumbs. (I do believe in capitalism, however it's being controlled and manipulated by the wrong individuals)

Then this goes back to other aspect of 'The List'.
Parental rights stripped
Forcing ideas into young minds as to what is right/wrong. Only to be fed one side. While mom and dad are working 1+ jobs each to keep up (and overtime). More time is spent in the CUSTODY of unionized lobotomists who don't believe you should be allowed to raise YOUR child.

I don't know where this even came from, but I fully support school choice in every sense of the phrase. It's entirely irrelevant, and it's incredibly confusing that you brought it up.

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Originally posted by WonderBoy:

She was to be the next anointed one to push for population control and sustainability. They couldn't get "da RUMP" from the "reich-wing" out fast enough. (The List) Use the leftist controlled media platforms to smear "da RUMP" with false unproven alligations. Silence "da RUMP" and all those who support "da RUMP" with a large media following. Impeach "da RUMP". THEN use a plandemic of fear and BS to set the stage for A NON-COGNITIVE PUPPET who sh*ts his pants and needs an Easter Bunny to help him out of a jam.

Nothing going on here folks.

We live in a society where NOTHING goes to waste if a profit for a PRODUCT or SERVICE can be generated. $$$

Yeah, drink your wine. Discuss selling "tissue" and body parts for the never ending pursuit of immortality.

It's not every day that I see new conspiracy theories. Democrats are selling body parts in pursuit of immortality now? LOL

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Originally posted by WonderBoy:

Where do I say that in any of the posts I've made (not too many) in this thread and various other threads? You're implying that. I've shown (and others in this thread) that there are MANY ways to prevent pregnancy (sadly we humans have come up with so many). In the end, when non-evolved, even well educated brains fail to stop and THINK (HEAT of the moment), one has to go beyond the realms of normal human behavior and perform the unthinkable. Ones ANIMAL side kicks in and rational thought goes out the window. Do you support various forms of intercourse/sex/making-love in any setting, let's say PUBLIC? Why (laws is not the answer)? If you have time to (think) do it privately, why does one not have the ability to THINK about the consequences of using ones reproductive organs, when you know damn well there are many ways to avoid pregnancy. To those who don't think, they know there's a Get out of Jail FREE option in the end.

One can only use the rape and incest excuse so many times. Abortion is a topic that can't be discussed by itself. More ties into it.

You're right, I'm implying that... based on your stated beliefs.

olejoedad

APR 22, 10:55 AM

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Originally posted by olejoedad:

The point here is that when consentual relations occur, and pregnancy is a result, the parties had control of their organs.

The female becomes a vessel for new life, and that new life now has organs of its own.

So essentially, you are taking control of someone else's organs by supporting abortion.

Would you care to address this, Mr. theBdub?

theBDub

APR 22, 01:07 PM

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Originally posted by olejoedad:

Would you care to address this, Mr. theBdub?

Having organs doesn’t mean you have control over someone else’s organs.

If the fetus could survive on its own, you’d have a point. Since it can’t, it’s not controlling someone else’s organs to cut them off of yours.

If you try and steal a TV from my living room, you can’t tell me I’m stealing your TV when I stop you in the hallway.

olejoedad

APR 22, 01:21 PM

An unborn life is still a life.

Your comment 'having organs doesn't mean you can control someone else's organs' contradicts your argument.

Deeper thought for discussion....

Why are humans (or any other form of life) here?
What is our primary purpose in Nature?

It is to reproduce to insure the survival of the species.

Your argument has no teeth, or logic.

It is purely based on selfishness and convenience.

theBDub

APR 22, 01:59 PM

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Originally posted by olejoedad:

An unborn life is still a life.

Your comment 'having organs doesn't mean you can control someone else's organs' contradicts your argument.

Deeper thought for discussion....

Why are humans (or any other form of life) here?
What is our primary purpose in Nature?

It is to reproduce to insure the survival of the species.

Your argument has no teeth, or logic.

It is purely based on selfishness and convenience.

Your right to life does not overrule my right to my organs, else we would be forced to donate our blood/organs to help others. We are not forced to donate those because we have autonomy over that decision. Similarly, we are not forced to provide our organs, even temporarily, to provide for a fetus.

The fetus is a parasite, by definition, and does not have a right to feed on someone else. That prospective mother can choose to nurture and provide for it, but it is not obligated to. That's why abortion is legal and not unjust.

It's not infringing on the fetus's bodily autonomy. It's cutting a cord that the fetus does not have a right to.

You claim my argument has no teeth, but still nobody has shown me how any one of us has the right to the body of anyone else. We don't. Neither does the fetus.

olejoedad

APR 22, 04:02 PM

A fetus is a parasite?

No, it is an unborn life, the future of the species.

It's twisted logic to suit hedonistic values.

Do you understand the concept of altruism?

Is it something that should be strived for as a civilized species?

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olejoedad

APR 22, 04:15 PM

Please show the Forum in your referenced definition of parasite where fetus is listed as a synonym.

theBDub

APR 22, 05:15 PM

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Originally posted by olejoedad:

Please show the Forum in your referenced definition of parasite where fetus is listed as a synonym.

It's not a synonym--it's a description or category.

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parasite (n): an organism living in, on, or with another organism in order to obtain nutrients, grow, or multiply often in a state that directly or indirectly harms the host

A fetus fits this description.

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Originally posted by olejoedad:

A fetus is a parasite?

No, it is an unborn life, the future of the species.

It's twisted logic to suit hedonistic values.

Do you understand the concept of altruism?

Is it something that should be strived for as a civilized species?

It is unborn life, yes, and a parasite. It feeds off of the prospective mother (host) and consumes nutrients that would otherwise go to the host. I don't even mean it negatively; it's just a statement of fact. My point is simple: a parasitic life does not have a right to its host, any more than you have a right to someone else's food at the dinner table. Just because it's a separate being does not automatically grant it more rights than the host. It has equal rights to the host, but the relationship between the two parties is unequal, allowing the host to sever the relationship to the parasite without moral quandary.

If the baby could survive without the mother's body, it would be murder to kill it. But since it can't survive without that host body, it is not wrong (from my argument).

And yes, I do understand altruism, but none of us are obligated to be altruistic.

_{As a note, even if it is morally wrong, which I disagree with, that in itself isn't an indication that it should be unlawful.}

olejoedad

APR 22, 05:35 PM

Perhaps you should read the entire definition, and synonyms, in order that you would learn the definition of parasite.