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82-T/A [At Work]
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FEB 22, 09:25 AM
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| quote | Originally posted by rinselberg:
"In the long run, wars make us safer and richer"
Ian Morris for the Washington Post; April 25, 2014.
https://www.washingtonpost....587891b57_story.html
I'm not "All In" with that. I think this is likely more significant. It may not be the polar opposite of "In the long run..." in its interpretation of history, but I don't think it's congruent with it. Or, to put it another way: hardly the same, but maybe not a full 180 degrees apart.
"Human History Gets a Rewrite"
[QUOTE]A brilliant new account upends bedrock assumptions about 30,000 years of change. |
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William Deresiewicz for The Atlantic; October 18, 2021.
https://www.theatlantic.com...ory-humanity/620177/
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Looks like Russia invaded last night. They've rolled their tanks and soldiers in to the two regions that are considered sympathetic to Russian rule.
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sourmash
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FEB 22, 10:04 AM
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No he did not invade. That's msmedia bullcrap. He is supporting them.
The 2 Russian majority provinces declared independence almost a decade ago in hope that Russia would recognize them as he did with Crimea.
After the US and NATO started beating war drums goading Putin long enough, and shelled the ethnic Russians long enough Putin recognized them as independent. He's sending in support personnel so they can succeed.
White people should stop letting anti-White people tell us to kill each other.[This message has been edited by sourmash (edited 02-22-2022).]
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82-T/A [At Work]
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FEB 22, 10:56 AM
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| quote | Originally posted by sourmash:
No he did not invade. That's msmedia bullcrap. He is supporting them.
The 2 Russian majority provinces declared independence almost a decade ago in hope that Russia would recognize them as he did with Crimea.
After the US and NATO started beating war drums goading Putin long enough, and shelled the ethnic Russians long enough Putin recognized them as independent. He's sending in support personnel so they can succeed.
White people should stop letting anti-White people tell us to kill each other.
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Or...
Ukraine voted to separate from the USSR upon collapse by a 90% vote in ~1991.
If NY and California decided that they wanted to cede to Canada, and then Canada moved tanks into California and NY because the libs there are so nuts and they wanted to join even more liberal people, that doesn't change the fact that it's still an invasion.
It's a semantic issue here, and I'm totally OK if we can't agree on the language, but basically... Russia just took land from Ukraine and are now occupying it.
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sourmash
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FEB 22, 11:21 AM
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| quote | Originally posted by 82-T/A [At Work]:
Or...
Ukraine voted to separate from the USSR upon collapse by a 90% vote in ~1991.
If NY and California decided that they wanted to cede to Canada, and then Canada moved tanks into California and NY because the libs there are so nuts and they wanted to join even more liberal people, that doesn't change the fact that it's still an invasion.
It's a semantic issue here, and I'm totally OK if we can't agree on the language, but basically... Russia just took land from Ukraine and are now occupying it. |
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That's not relative, though.
The USA and Victoria Newland created the colour revolution there. The Ukraine wasn't just floating along and decided to break up. It was done by our side.
They did it to weaken Russia.
They did it to gain power over Russia.
Putin has been overly patient.
The USSR was voted out of existence. California and NY were not part of Canada nor governed by someone controlling both in our lifetimes. Not even in our great-grandfather's lives.
The Ukraine was allowed to self determine upon breakup of the USSR. The regions of East are heavily majority Russian. NY nor California are made up of Canadians.
Crimea has historically been Russian or at least a protectorate of Russia. The neighboring provinces are mostly Russian.
NATO pledged not to expand Eastward beyond Eastern Germany's border during reunification. Putin is not responsible for the violations of that pledge.
All of this was instigated by NATO, the USA and their puppet Zellensky.
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blackrams
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FEB 22, 09:01 PM
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| quote | Originally posted by sourmash:
No he did not invade. That's msmedia bullcrap. He is supporting them.
The 2 Russian majority provinces declared independence almost a decade ago in hope that Russia would recognize them as he did with Crimea.
After the US and NATO started beating war drums goading Putin long enough, and shelled the ethnic Russians long enough Putin recognized them as independent. He's sending in support personnel so they can succeed.
White people should stop letting anti-White people tell us to kill each other.
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Who is the President or leader of these two rogue countries that claimed independence from Ukraine? I've heard they claimed independence and Putin acknowledge them as independent countries but, nowhere have I seen who's supposedly in charge in these miniscule "new" countries?
Rams
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randye
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FEB 22, 09:27 PM
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| quote | Originally posted by blackrams:
Who is the President or leader of these two rogue countries that claimed independence from Ukraine? I've heard they claimed independence and Putin acknowledge them as independent countries but, nowhere have I seen who's supposedly in charge in these miniscule "new" countries?
Rams
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Claiming "independence" was just Step 1.
Step 2 is "asking" to become part of the Russian Federation ("Russia") which is what the majority ethnic Russians there have allegedly wanted for at least a couple of decades now.
..and YES, the Donbass region is indeed majority ethnic Russian owing to their settlement there since the Russian naval base at Sevastopol was founded in 1833 and the families of Russians remained and settled in the regions ever since.
I'm still not convinced that Russia wants to invade and occupy / "take back" all of Ukraine.
Russia DOES want to secure it's Black Sea fleet base at Sevastopol and stop NATO from being right on their own border,..... but beyond that?
All of this hysteria about "Putin wants to reestablish the USSR" is just that...hysteria......and nonsense propaganda.[This message has been edited by randye (edited 02-22-2022).]
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blackrams
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FEB 22, 09:50 PM
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| quote | Originally posted by randye:
Claiming "independence" was just Step 1.
Step 2 is "asking" to become part of the Russian Federation ("Russia") which is what the majority ethnic Russians there have allegedly wanted for at least a couple of decades now.
..and YES, the Donbass region is indeed majority ethnic Russian owing to their settlement there since the Russian naval base at Sevastopol was founded in 1833 and the families of Russians remained and settled in the regions ever since.
I'm still not convinced that Russia wants to invade and occupy / "take back" all of Ukraine.
Russia DOES want to secure it's Black Sea fleet base at Sevastopol and stop NATO from being right on their own border,..... but beyond that?
All of this hysteria about "Putin wants to reestablish the USSR" is just that...hysteria......and nonsense propaganda.
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OK, but if someone claimed independence, who be that? Someone is claiming to be in charge I assume?
Rams
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maryjane
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FEB 23, 01:14 AM
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In Luhansk, it would be Leonid Pasechnyk.
In Donetsk it is presumably Denis Vladimirovich Pushilin.
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blackrams
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FEB 23, 07:30 AM
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| quote | Originally posted by maryjane:
In Luhansk, it would be Leonid Pasechnyk.
In Donetsk it is presumably Denis Vladimirovich Pushilin. |
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Thanks
Rams
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olejoedad
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FEB 23, 04:08 PM
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