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rinselberg
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MAR 03, 12:23 PM
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| quote | Originally posted by cliffw:
Has curiosity ever led you to consider looking at climate blogs which do not agree with your fantasies?
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Yes. From time to time—and recently—I've looked at blogs or other websites that represent one of the contrarian lines of thinking, such as "more CO2 is a good thing," or "road vehicle electrification is doing more harm than good," or "the methodology used by the IPCC to interpret climate data is flawed in ways that make it misleadingly alarmist."
Looked at blogs, scrolled through white papers, looked at video presentations of these kinds...
Yes I have. Yessir, we have no bananas...[This message has been edited by rinselberg (edited 03-03-2024).]
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cliffw
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MAR 04, 08:06 AM
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| quote | Originally posted by BingB:
You don't get it.
Everyone agrees that climate change has happened in the past. But pretty much everyone agrees that human activity that has caused a massive increase in CO2 in the atmosphere is making things much worse.
It is possible for BOTH of those things to be true. Climate change has happened in the past but human activity is making it worse. |
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You don't get it.
Those that agree that human activity that has caused a massive increase in CO2 in the atmosphere is making things much worse, is because they have been indoctrinated.
The same ole Blah Blah Blah. Global Warming causes floods and drought. Record heat and record cold. Stronger hurricanes.
All without proof. None of the Cult's predictions have come true.
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cliffw
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MAR 04, 08:11 AM
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| quote | Originally posted by rinselberg:
Yes. From time to time—and recently—I've looked at blogs or other websites that represent one of the contrarian lines of thinking, such as "more CO2 is a good thing," or "road vehicle electrification is doing more harm than good," or "the methodology used by the IPCC to interpret climate data is flawed in ways that make it misleadingly alarmist."
Looked at blogs, scrolled through white papers, looked at video presentations of these kinds...
Yes I have. Yessir, we have no bananas...
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A "blog" is just an opinion. "Websites" ? Anonymous ?
You didn't believe them ? We do not believe you either.
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rinselberg
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MAR 04, 08:32 AM
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| quote | Originally posted by cliffw:
You don't get it. Those that agree that human activity that has caused a massive increase in CO2 in the atmosphere is making things much worse, is because they have been indoctrinated.
The same ole Blah Blah Blah. Global Warming causes floods and drought. Record heat and record cold. Stronger hurricanes.
All without proof. None of the Cult's predictions have come true. |
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What do you think "proof" would be like... apart from what mainstream climate researchers have already produced?
Can you describe more exactly what you mean by "proof"..?
| quote | Originally posted by cliffw:
None of the Cult's predictions have come true. |
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That's an especially ridiculous assertion, in light of everything that has been reported on this topic.
What has the "cult" predicted that hasn't already been confirmed by data from earth-observing satellites, ocean temperature sensors, ground-based weather observations and the like?
When you say "Record heat and record cold," you are glossing over something of fundamental importance: Averaging temperatures across the globe and over the entire course of each year confirms that the climate is trending warmer on average, and not colder.
The "record cold" that you say is not inconsistent with the "cult's" science, and it's explained very simply in this brief online tutorial:
"Why Polar Air Keeps Breaking out of the Arctic"
https://scied.ucar.edu/lear...-breaking-out-arctic
Scroll down just a short ways and you would see this in big, black, boldface letters:
| quote | | A Warming Arctic Complicates This Pattern |
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"Why we still have brutal cold snaps even as the planet warms to record levels"
Laura Paddison for CNN; January 15, 2024.
https://www.cnn.com/2024/01...l-warming/index.html
"U.S. in deep freeze while much of the world is extra toasty? Yet again, it’s climate change."
Seth Borenstein for AP News; January 16, 2024.
https://apnews.com/article/...ef6d59c4882a211046ce
"NOAA and the terrible, horrible, no good, very hot year"
| quote | | The government agency confirmed that 2023 was the hottest year on record, adding to other troubling climate superlatives including record ocean heat and record low Antarctic sea ice. |
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Evan Bush for NBC News; January 12, 2024.
https://www.nbcnews.com/sci...-hot-year-rcna132959
| quote | Originally posted by BingB:
Everyone agrees that climate change has happened [naturally] in the past. But pretty much everyone agrees that human activity that has caused a massive increase in CO2 in the atmosphere [that] is making things much worse.
It is possible for BOTH of those things to be true. Climate change has happened in the [distant] past—but [now] human activity is making it worse. |
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That's a good summary of the general consensus about climate among climate scientists.
Where BingB reduces it to "human activity is making things worse," a more exact description would be "human activity is causing the global climate to trend warmer with an abruptness that is over and above what would otherwise be happening, if the warming trend were just a continuation of a natural warmup after the end of the most recent Ice Age."
To summarize some things that I have seen online, there's reason to believe that without the impact of humans, the Earth would not be plunged into another Ice Age before another 50,000 years into the future. That's based on the Earth's orbital parameters, including the Milankovitch Cycle. The impact of humans may have already "cancelled" another Ice Age (talk about "cancel culture"..!) that would have been freezing us now, and that's all to the good.
The problem is now we're overdoing it with the greenhouse gas emissions and other planet-warming human impacts. We're raising the temperature setting on the Earth's thermostat (so to speak) so far and so fast that we are not just canceling Ice Ages, but are going to the other extreme of seriously overheating the Earth.[This message has been edited by rinselberg (edited 03-05-2024).]
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rinselberg
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MAR 06, 02:03 AM
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"Two major New York offshore wind projects are back on track"
| quote | | Offshore wind is critical to [New York State and national climate-friendly energy] goals. After a year of industry setbacks, two projects totaling 1.7 GW of capacity are [now] moving forward. |
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Maria Gallucci for Canary Media; February 29, 2024.
https://www.canarymedia.com...ts-are-back-on-track
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cliffw
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MAR 06, 07:58 AM
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| quote | Originally posted by rinselberg:
What do you think "proof" would be like... apart from what mainstream climate researchers have already produced?
Can you describe more exactly what you mean by "proof"..?
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Mainstream climate researchers are in bed with mainstream media and the Leftoid government.
What would proof look like ? Did all the ice bergs melt as your godfathers said they would ? Your ilk has made so many claims I forget them. As none have proven true. How many of your ilk said the world would end in X number of years. Other of you ilk revised the doom date calendar.
Your ilk always uses gloom and fear predictions.
Screw me once, shame on you.
Screw me twice, shame on me.
Screw me three times, I must be a leftoid useful idiot. How many times are you going to believe their lies ?[This message has been edited by cliffw (edited 03-06-2024).]
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rinselberg
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MAR 06, 10:10 AM
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| quote | Originally posted by cliffw:
Mainstream climate researchers are in bed with mainstream media and the Leftoid government.
What would proof look like? Did all the icebergs melt as your godfathers said they would? Your ilk has made so many claims I forget them. As none have proven true. How many of your ilk said the world would end in X number of years. Other of you ilk revised the doom date calendar.
Your ilk always uses gloom and fear predictions.
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You keep making s**t up and pretending that serious climate researchers said these things—but they didn't.
Did all the icebergs melt? No. Are the polar icecaps being diminished by global warming? Yes.
"How global warming is diminishing the Earth's polar icecaps, and how the diminishing polar icecaps are accelerating global warming."
| quote | | It's a positive feedback loop. |
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Katy Mersmann for NASA; September 25, 2023.
https://www.nasa.gov/center...s-record-low-growth/
It's a 5-minute read.
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cliffw
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MAR 06, 11:34 AM
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| quote | Originally posted by rinselberg:
You keep making s**t up and pretending that serious climate researchers said these things—but they didn't . |
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'Ya know rinselberg, mainstream climate researchers really are in bed with mainstream media and the Leftoid government. All your NASA and NOAA links which you claim are the holy grail of Global Warming dogma mean jack **** . All government bureaucrats. You do know what a bureaucrat is don't you ?
bureaucrat:
an official who works by fixed routine without exercising intelligent judgment.
97% of the scientists believed the world was flat.
Tell us rinselberg, why does your ilk have such a hard time convincing the logical 93% into believing your dogma ?[This message has been edited by cliffw (edited 03-06-2024).]
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Jake_Dragon
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MAR 06, 12:28 PM
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cliffw
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MAR 06, 12:53 PM
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Tell us rinselberg, why does your ilk have such a hard time convincing the logical 93% into believing your dogma ?
| quote | Originally posted by Jake_Dragon:
Eggs are bad for you.... |
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Eggzactly.
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