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BingB
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MAR 02, 11:39 AM
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| quote | Originally posted by olejoedad:
The farmers in my area would not agree with your opinion.
They are fed up with state government pushing solar and wind onto agricultural ground.. |
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Why are they upset?
Government can't force them to do any of those things with their own land, and they have no right to complain about what other people chose to do with their own property. Windfarms and solar panels don't produce any pollution that would interfere with their neighbors rights. They are not like hog farms or commercial factories.
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williegoat
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MAR 02, 12:10 PM
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| quote | Originally posted by BingB:
Why are they upset?
Government can't force them to do any of those things with their own land, and they have no right to complain about what other people chose to do with their own property.
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Uh huh...tell me about this magical land.
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Windfarms and solar panels don't produce any pollution that would interfere with their neighbors rights. They are not like hog farms or commercial factories.
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Of course you are a middle-of-the-road capitalist, we believe you. No, really, we believe you.
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BingB
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MAR 02, 01:09 PM
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| quote | Originally posted by williegoat:
Uh huh...tell me about this magical land.
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What could I tell you about your state? They don't force farmers to convert to green energy and farmers should not care what other people do with their property?
So can you answer my question about why they are upset. Seems like they are squealing about politics instead of the actual FREEDOM they have to do whatever they want with their own property.
| quote | Originally posted by williegoat:
Of course you are a middle-of-the-road capitalist, we believe you. No, really, we believe you. |
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You should not just blindly believe what I tell you. Go do the research for yourself. Then you will see that what I am saying is true.
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williegoat
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MAR 02, 01:16 PM
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| quote | Originally posted by BingB:
You should not just blindly believe what I tell you.
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Fred has spoken.
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BingB
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MAR 02, 01:32 PM
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| quote | Originally posted by williegoat:
Fred has spoken. |
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What is your point?
Don't you agree that Fred was 100% correct if he ever actually said that?
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rinselberg
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MAR 02, 02:57 PM
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| quote | Originally posted by olejoedad:
The farmers in my area would not agree with your opinion: They are fed up with state government pushing solar and wind onto agricultural ground.... |
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But not this farmer. Reading between the lines, it seems like he's receptive to the idea of having wind or solar installed on some of his land, and resents the idea that certain people are putting obstacles in his way:
| quote | | “I can’t do on my property what I’d like to do, and I’m trying to save my family farm,” said Kevin Health of Milan Township. He accused “big money and outside forces” of stoking opposition to renewable energy in his community. |
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Effort underway to repeal the new Michigan law that allows the state to override local resistance to wind and solar
Kelly House for Bridge Michigan; January 19, 2024.
https://www.bridgemi.com/mi...le-energy-siting-law[This message has been edited by rinselberg (edited 03-02-2024).]
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cliffw
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MAR 03, 11:24 AM
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| quote | Originally posted by rinselberg:
Has curiosity ever led you to consider looking at a climate blog, just to see what's been blogged that might catch your eye?
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Has curiosity ever led you to consider looking at climate blogs which do not agree with your fantasies ?
A blog is a blob of "opinion".
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cliffw
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MAR 03, 11:36 AM
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| quote | Originally posted by rinselberg:
Effort underway to repeal the new Michigan law that allows the state to override local resistance to wind and solar
Kelly House for Bridge Michigan; January 19, 2024.
https://www.bridgemi.com/mi...le-energy-siting-law
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| quote | Link posted by rinselberg:
Why it matters
As the threat of climate change prompts a society-wide push to ditch fossil fuels, Michigan government and utilities have committed to decarbonizing the state’s energy grid by midcentury. |
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How can you be so dishonest ?
Since the beginning of Earth, climate change happened.
Prompts a society-wide push to ditch fossil fuels ?
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BingB
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MAR 03, 12:17 PM
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| quote | Originally posted by rinselberg:
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“I can’t do on my property what I’d like to do, and I’m trying to save my family farm,” said Kevin Health of Milan Township. He accused “big money and outside forces” of stoking opposition to renewable energy in his community.
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Typical of the right. The strongly support your right to be free to agree 100% with them. That is what "freedom" means to them.
The support denying people the right to do what they want with their own property.
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BingB
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MAR 03, 12:20 PM
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| quote | Originally posted by cliffw:
How can you be so dishonest ?
Since the beginning of Earth, climate change happened.
Prompts a society-wide push to ditch fossil fuels ? |
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You don't get it.
Everyone agrees that climate change has happened in the past. But pretty much everyone agrees that human activity that has caused a massive increase in CO2 in the atmosphere is making things much worse.
It is possible for BOTH of those things to be true. Climate change has happened in the past but human activity is making it worse.
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