Carbon dioxide hysteria (Page 153/170)
olejoedad FEB 26, 07:54 AM
I'm fine with fossil fuels, especially if domestically produced.
Domestic jobs.
Domestic wealth.
National security.
No funding to other countries.
More CO². It's a good thing, no matter what brainwashing you have bought into.
No fossil fuels wasted in international transport.
Reduced risk of huge maritime spills.
More fuel efficient transportation technologies - ICE/electric hybrids, hydrogen.
Reduced damage to the environment from building full electric battery technology.
No money to China for their electric technology.
Money freed up in USA for improving our grid.
No waste disposal issues from turbine blades and batteries.
That's a partial list.

But more importantly, keeping the beauty of the countryside pristine and unspoiled by solar panels and wind turbine monstrosities.

Natural gas fired and nuclear electrical generation makes a lot more sense.

The green energy movement isn't about saving the planet, it's about wealth redistribution and control of the masses.

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ray b FEB 26, 09:00 AM
KOCH BRO'S THANK YOU

you completely swallowed the propaganda
and regurgitate it so well

do you even ever care about the truth ?
olejoedad FEB 26, 09:48 AM

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Originally posted by ray b:

KOCH BRO'S THANK YOU

you completely swallowed the propaganda
and regurgitate it so well

do you even ever care about the truth ?



Translation....

Build the economies of Russia, Iran, Venezuela and China, at the expense of security of America.

ray b FEB 26, 11:00 AM

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Originally posted by olejoedad:


Translation....

Build the economies of Russia, Iran, Venezuela and China, at the expense of security of America.



yes I support putin the china nut and I love the rump
olejoedad FEB 26, 11:06 AM

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Originally posted by ray b:


yes I support putin the china nut and I love the rump



I believe you do.
rinselberg FEB 26, 11:25 AM

Corn fields near Des Moines, Iowa.

Do people come from far and near just to see the monotony of these cornfields? Or seemingly endless, straight rows of lettuce or artichokes on flat land? Or flat acreages of wheat, as far as the eye can see? I think not. And I think there is a lot of agricultural land of this kind, all around the country, where solar installations or modern wind turbines would not be unwelcome intrusions, in terms of the visual aesthetics.

Of course, there are farms, orchards, ranches and the like, all around the country, that people do enjoy for the aesthetics of the scenery and the classic or vintage farm buildings and barns and other installations. Rolling hills. Rough hewn timber fences or old fashioned windmills. It's understandable that people would not want to see solar panel installations or modern wind turbines encroaching on these areas.

Remember that converting just 1% of U.S. farmland with agrivoltaic installations for dual use farming and solar energy is a figure to hang your hat on:

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While agrivoltaics research is still in relatively early stages, harmonizing agricultural and solar energy interests has the potential to greatly benefit both industries. According to a 2021 University of Oregon study, converting just 1% of U.S. farmland to agrivoltaic systems would allow solar developers to reach upcoming renewable energy targets. For farmers, agrivoltaics create the rare opportunity to make agricultural land dual-use, allowing farmers to diversify income streams while continuing crop production. As interest continues to grow, developers should expect new and varied opportunities to implement agrivoltaics in future projects.


"Common Ground: Agrivoltaics Provide Mutual Benefits to Developers and Farmers"
Jordan Farrell and Bo Mahr for Husch Blackwell "Climate Solutions"; December 20, 2023.
https://www.climatesolution...cultural-production/


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Originally posted by olejoedad:
... keeping the beauty of the countryside pristine and unspoiled by solar panels and wind turbine monstrosities.

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82-T/A [At Work] FEB 26, 11:51 AM

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Originally posted by rinselberg:

Do people come from far and near just to see the monotony of these cornfields? Or seemingly endless, straight rows of lettuce or artichokes on flat land? Or flat acreages of wheat, as far as the eye can see? I think not. And I think there is a lot of agricultural land of this kind, all around the country, where solar installations or modern wind turbines would not be unwelcome intrusions, in terms of the visual aesthetics.





I have always wanted to run through a corn field, like in the movies... but I honestly don't have a problem with dual-use of the land as this proposes. I actually think it would be a good use of the land and could be beneficial to certain plants, so long as it doesn't increase the cost of farming. It could, actually... allow a greater use of existing farm land so as to protect natural currently undisturbed natural habitat. Most solar power fields are built on Federal or state-owned land... which is usually undeveloped land... thus resulting in pristine lands getting ruined.

So I think it could be a huge benefit, so long as the three things I mentioned in my first response to you, are mitigated (or considered).

But as I am not the ruler of the world (yet), all I can do is give you my opinion!


EDIT, instead of farm subsidies... the state and local governments could subsidize farmers in their state through the integration of solar panels.

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olejoedad FEB 26, 12:55 PM

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Originally posted by rinselberg:


Corn fields near Des Moines, Iowa.

Do people come from far and near just to see the monotony of these cornfields? Or seemingly endless, straight rows of lettuce or artichokes on flat land? Or flat acreages of wheat, as far as the eye can see? I think not. And I think there is a lot of agricultural land of this kind, all around the country, where solar installations or modern wind turbines would not be unwelcome intrusions, in terms of the visual aesthetics.

Of course, there are farms, orchards, ranches and the like, all around the country, that people do enjoy for the aesthetics of the scenery and the classic or vintage farm buildings and barns and other installations. Rolling hills. Rough hewn timber fences or old fashioned windmills. It's understandable that people would not want to see solar panel installations or modern wind turbines encroaching on these areas.

Remember that converting just 1% of U.S. farmland with agrivoltaic installations for dual use farming and solar energy is a figure to hang your hat on:




The farmers in my area would not agree with your opinion.
They are fed up with state government pushing solar and wind onto agricultural ground.

Your opinion doesn't mean squat to them, or really to anyone besides you.
rinselberg FEB 26, 07:51 PM

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Originally posted by olejoedad:
The farmers in my area would not agree with your opinion. They are fed up with state government pushing solar and wind onto agricultural ground.

Your opinion doesn't mean squat to them, or really to anyone besides you.



That's all well and good, but what are going to say to Detroit-based DTE Energy?

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DTE Energy is seeking proposals for renewable energy projects in the state of Michigan to add 1GW of capacity.

The projects will be part of the company’s CleanVision IRP and will support the state’s aim of 60% of energy from renewable resources by 2030.

The initiative is a critical step towards DTE’s broader carbon reduction goals.

The projects are expected to be operational by March 2027 and must be located within Michigan, with connections to the Midcontinent Independent System Operator or distribution-level transmission.

The deadline for bid submissions is 14 May 2024, with plans to finalise contracts by the autumn.

DTE Energy renewable sales and project development vice-president Joseph Musallam stated: “DTE is committed to transforming the way we generate energy while maintaining reliability and affordability for our customers. As a result, we continue to be the state’s leading producer of and investor in utility-scale renewable energy projects.

“Our existing wind and solar parks are reducing Michigan’s carbon footprint while providing jobs, tax revenue and additional benefits to local communities across the state, and future developments will continue to grow our clean energy economy.”

Announced in 2022, the CleanVision IRP is a 20-year strategy to transition to more sustainable energy sources. This includes expediting solar and wind investments and facilitating the retirement of coal plants.

In July 2023, DTE Energy entered agreements with Michigan stakeholders including Attorney General Dana Nessel, the Michigan Public Service Commission and local labour organisations to collaborate on the future resource plan.

The company’s renewable energy portfolio comprises 20 wind and 33 solar parks, generating sufficient clean energy for 750,000 homes.

DTE Energy has set a goal of 1GW of additional new wind and solar capacity annually from 2026.

It also plans to shut down its coal plants and invest $11 [billion] in renewables in the decade to 2033.

By 2042, it aims to have a renewable energy generation capacity exceeding 15GW, enough to supply power to four million homes.


Power Technology; February 26, 2024.
https://www.power-technolog...s/?cf-view&cf-closed

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cliffw FEB 27, 09:31 AM

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Originally posted by rinselberg:
"We in the United States could be on the wrong side of a turbine 'gap'... losing the international turbine 'race'..."







Let us know when they can land a man on the Moon. They can not do zhit until they steal our technology.

International turbine 'race' ?

Riddle me this rinselberg. Why do the Chinese even build windmills and solar panels ?