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ray b
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FEB 25, 12:43 PM
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| quote | Originally posted by olejoedad:
I think it is disgusting that people who live in rural areas are forced to live with the monstrosities of the green energy push - ugly ass solar farms and imposing wind turbines that defile the beautiful countryside.
And the power they generate is needed by the ultra high demand for electricity by the population centers, not the rural areas!
Put the fudging solar panels and wind turbine on top of your uglyazz buildings in the cities and leave our views alone.
It's an infringement on our peace and tranquility!
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I think it is ''disgusting that people who live in rural areas'' suck off the public tit to pay for their power system
then complain about others making money from wind or solar power on private property
as the kochie cult demands burn more oil
while the farmers are commies living off the gov and other peoples taxes [crop supports giveaways cheap loans ect]
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olejoedad
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FEB 25, 01:10 PM
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| quote | Originally posted by ray b:
I think it is ''disgusting that people who live in rural areas'' suck off the public tit to pay for their power system
then complain about others making money from wind or solar power on private property
as the kochie cult demands burn more oil
while the farmers are commies living off the gov and other peoples taxes [crop supports giveaways cheap loans ect] |
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Fine. Grow your own fudging food.
Don't spoil the landscape and quiet of the countryside with your hedonistic lifestyle.
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rinselberg
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FEB 25, 02:49 PM
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Farmer Brittany Staie of Sprout City Farms, and farm manager at Jack's Solar Garden, picks tomatoes which have been growing at Jack’s Solar Garden in Longmont, Colorado. Jack’s is a 1.2 MW, five-acre community solar farm and is the largest agrivoltaic research project in the U.S. The solar project was designed and built by Namasté Solar. Photo by Werner Slocum / NREL; September 1, 2021.
"What is 'Agrivoltaics?' Maximizing Land Use to Harvest Both Food and Electricity."
Suzie Romig for Colorado Country Life; September 1, 2021.
https://www.coloradocountrylife.coop/agrivoltaics/
Want to know more?
Jack's Solar Garden; Longmont, CO.
https://www.jackssolargarden.com/[This message has been edited by rinselberg (edited 02-25-2024).]
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82-T/A [At Work]
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FEB 25, 03:41 PM
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| quote | Originally posted by rinselberg:
Farmer Brittany Staie of Sprout City Farms, and farm manager at Jack's Solar Garden, picks tomatoes which have been growing at Jack’s Solar Garden in Longmont, Colorado. Jack’s is a 1.2 MW, five-acre community solar farm and is the largest agrivoltaic research project in the U.S. The solar project was designed and built by Namasté Solar. Photo by Werner Slocum / NREL; September 1, 2021.
"What is 'Agrivoltaics?' Maximizing Land Use to Harvest Both Food and Electricity."
Suzie Romig for Colorado Country Life; September 1, 2021.
https://www.coloradocountrylife.coop/agrivoltaics/ |
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I actually think this is a really good "dual-use" of agricultural land. As long as certain standards are met (4/8/12 month solar panel cleaning don't use chemicals that get into the vegetables or fruit), this could go a long way to minimizing the impact of land use, and sort of... playing off each other. The solar panels provide shade to the tomato plants so they don't get full-on sun and scorch them.
Couple of things I'm curious about:
1 - Irrigation... I'm assuming you don't want to just broadcast water across the solar panels. I know they're water proof, but that amount of water at constant intervals could affect them... perhaps drip irrigation.
2 - Recycling of the land (if needed) in between crop production... how can you till the soil without potentially damaging the underground utility? It appears the cabling in those images is underground... in my opinion, it should be suspended or even transmitted through each solar panel... like legos, if you will... not like 80s Christmas lights.
3 - Harvesting of the crops. Having the panels there largely prevents the use of equipment and machinery, so they'd need to be picked by hand... which is not a problem so long as we can get people with work visas. But something to consider.
If I haven't sent it before, another good option is the solar road that the Dutch invented over a decade ago: https://www.sciencealert.co...better-than-expected
Personally, I think it's a bit of an over-engineering for something that you're going to be covering with cars and pedestrians. It actually makes more sense to me to simply just build solar panels that act as roofs for the sidewalks. Why put them in the road when you can use them as shade for pedestrians and people in the bike lane?
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olejoedad
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FEB 25, 03:48 PM
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| quote | Originally posted by olejoedad:
I think it is disgusting that people who live in rural areas are forced to live with the monstrosities of the green energy push - ugly ass solar farms and imposing wind turbines that defile the beautiful countryside.
And the power they generate is needed by the ultra high demand for electricity by the population centers, not the rural areas!
Put the fudging solar panels and wind turbine on top of your uglyazz buildings in the cities and leave our views alone.
It's an infringement on our peace and tranquility!
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We don't need 'dual use' agricultural land. It's agricultural land - use it to grow food.
Tomatoes grow just fine in a field, they have for longer than you and I have been around and they have leaves to prevent the fruit from scorching.
Put your green energy BS on your roof in the city and leave the countryside alone!
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ray b
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FEB 25, 07:39 PM
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| quote | Originally posted by olejoedad:
We don't need 'dual use' agricultural land. It's agricultural land - use it to grow food.
Tomatoes grow just fine in a field, they have for longer than you and I have been around and they have leaves to prevent the fruit from scorching.
Put your green energy BS on your roof in the city and leave the countryside alone! |
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soon as the commie farm payments STOP
ESP THE PAY FOR NOTHING SCAMS
THE CAPITALIST SYSTEM DEMANDS WORK
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rinselberg
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FEB 25, 07:40 PM
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| quote | Originally posted by olejoedad:
We don't need 'dual use' agricultural land. It's agricultural land—use it to grow food. Tomatoes grow just fine in a field, they have for longer than you and I have been around and they have leaves to prevent the fruit from scorching. Put your green energy BS on your roof in the city and leave the countryside alone..! |
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I can't remember how many stories I've heard about people with agricultural land expressing strong negative reactions—like olejoedad—to agrivoltaics. Then a "rep" showed them how it could actually increase the amount of income they had been realizing from the land that they owned. Suddenly, the same land owners became agrivoltaics evangelists, encouraging their neighbors to consider it for themselves!
Agrivoltaics can involve solar power generation on fields that are simultaneously used to grow farm crops, but that's not the only scenario.
| quote | The majority of the over 2.8 GW of energy generated in the U.S. on agrivoltaic sites currently does not pair solar generation with crops. As an alternative form of agrivoltaics, solar developers have adapted projects to support livestock grazing and/or pollinator habitats. Grazing arrangements allow sheep or other small animals to manage the vegetation under and around the panels. These animals will graze for free, or with a payment from the solar developer to the farmer, often creating a win-win-win system: the animals receive food and shade, farmers reduce cost and often receive a payment for managing vegetation, and developers reduce vegetation management cost. Sheep are often the preferred grazing animal, as they present a low risk of damaging solar panels and will not chew on metal and wiring, unlike goats.
Other agrivoltaic projects utilize solar fields to cultivate habitats for pollinators, like bees. This agrivoltaic system is both simple and flexible: it often only involves the developer installing solar arrays and seeding pollinator-friendly plants around and/or beneath the panels. While the plants may take several seasons to become established, their presence will ultimately benefit the surrounding agriculture, which depends on pollinators for crop yield. As a secondary benefit, these plants keep the solar panels cooler, increasing performance and longevity while reducing mowing and maintenance cost for developers. |
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"Just 1% of U.S. farmland..."
| quote | | While agrivoltaics research is still in relatively early stages, harmonizing agricultural and solar energy interests has the potential to greatly benefit both industries. According to a 2021 University of Oregon study, converting just 1% of U.S. farmland to agrivoltaic systems would allow solar developers to reach upcoming renewable energy targets. For farmers, agrivoltaics create the rare opportunity to make agricultural land dual-use, allowing farmers to diversify income streams while continuing crop production. As interest continues to grow, developers should expect new and varied opportunities to implement agrivoltaics in future projects. |
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"Common Ground: Agrivoltaics Provide Mutual Benefits to Developers and Farmers"
Jordan Farrell and Bo Mahr for Husch Blackwell "Climate Solutions"; December 20, 2023.
https://www.climatesolution...cultural-production/[This message has been edited by rinselberg (edited 02-25-2024).]
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olejoedad
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FEB 25, 09:29 PM
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| quote | Originally posted by rinselberg:
I can't remember how many stories I've heard about people with agricultural land expressing strong negative reactions—like olejoedad—to agrivoltaics. Then a "rep" showed them how it could actually increase the amount of income they had been realizing from the land that they owned. Suddenly, the same land owners became agrivoltaics evangelists, encouraging their neighbors to consider it for themselves!
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Name them, and how many of them there were, the crops they were farming and the yields they were getting.
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rinselberg
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FEB 25, 09:47 PM
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| quote | Originally posted by olejoedad:
Name them, and how many of them there were, the crops they were farming and the yields they were getting. |
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My little anecdote about agrivoltaics evangelists was just a joke. But aside from that, the remainder of my post is For Your Information... the text that is Copy & Paste.
Farmers and ranchers aren't being forced to install agrivoltaic setups. They are being incentivized.
Some of it may prove ineffective, but your reaction to it seems more emotional than reasoned.
Can you think of any drawbacks to using fossil fuels for energy?
Even if you believe that more carbon dioxide is a good thing, there are other environmental impacts from the oil and gas industry and the coal industry, and they mostly come as environmental damage and not benefits for the environment. Or would you even argue with that?
As far as the photovoltaic solar panels or solar PV, there are drawbacks. How to keep the solar panel surfaces free of dust and grime, to maintain their efficiency. Are there better solar PV technologies that what is now commonly used? How to dispose of the solar PV at the end of its service life, or how to recycle it. It's a work in progress.[This message has been edited by rinselberg (edited 02-25-2024).]
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rinselberg
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FEB 26, 02:11 AM
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The progress of U.S. offshore wind energy from the Atlantic Ocean has suffered some significant setbacks in recent months, but the prognosis?
"Down but not out," judging by this very brief news report about what's happening in the very "bewitching" city of Salem, Massachusetts.
How brief? Just 47 seconds.
"Construction to begin on offshore wind terminal in Salem"
CBS Boston; February 23, 2024.
| quote | | Construction is starting this year on the site of the Old Salem Harbor Station. |
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[This message has been edited by rinselberg (edited 02-26-2024).]
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