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cliffw
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MAR 21, 07:43 AM
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| quote | Originally posted by BingB:
No. I never said anything like that.
All I said was that people should not just make stuff up out of thin air and claim it is true like you did when accusing me of supporting Bidens immigration policy.
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| quote | Originally posted by BingB:
No. You don't get it. I mean post "facts" not opinions.
For example if a person denies that Trump ever chose to believe Putin over his own intelligence agencies then you post TRUMPS DIRECT QUOTES.
Now do you "get it"?
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| quote | Originally posted by BingB:
No. I never said anything like that.
All I said was that people should not just make stuff up out of thin air and claim it is true like you did when accusing me of supporting Bidens immigration policy.
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BingB
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MAR 22, 08:36 AM
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| quote | Originally posted by cliffw:
A claim while posting your personal opinion. Proof ? |
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https://foreignpolicy.com/2...ly-said-in-helsinki/
Jeff Mason from Reuters: For President Putin if I could follow up as well. Why should Americans and why should President Trump believe your statement that Russia did not intervene in the 2016 election given the evidence that US Intelligence agencies have provided?
TRUMP: As you know, the concept of that came up perhaps a little before, but it came out as a reason why the Democrats lost an election, which frankly, they should have been able to win, because the electoral college is much more advantageous for Democrats, as you know, than it is to Republicans. We won the electoral college by a lot. 306 to 223, I believe. That was a well-fought battle. We did a great job.
Frankly, I’m going to let the president speak to the second part of your question. But, just to say it one time again and I say it all the time, there was no collusion. I didn’t know the president. There was nobody to colluded with. There was no collusion with the campaign. Every time you hear all of these 12 and 14 — it’s stuff that has nothing to do — and frankly, they admit, these are not people involved in the campaign. But to the average reader out there, they are saying, well maybe that does. It doesn’t. Even the people involved, some perhaps told mis-stories. In one case the FBI said there was no lie. There was no lie. Somebody else said there was. We ran a brilliant campaign. And that’s why I’m president. Thank you.
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Jonathan Lemire from AP: Thank you. A question for each president. President Trump, you first. Just now President Putin denied having anything to do with the election interference in 2016. Every US intelligence agency has concluded that Russia did.
My first question for you, sir, is who do you believe? My second question is would you now with the whole world watching tell President Putin — would you denounce what happened in 2016 and would you warn him to never do it again?
TRUMP: So let me just say that we have two thoughts. You have groups that are wondering why the FBI never took the server. Why haven’t they taken the server? Why was the FBI told to leave the office of the democratic national committee? I’ve been wondering that. I’ve been asking that for months and months and I’ve been tweeting it out and calling it out on social media. Where is the server? I want to know, where is the server and what is the server saying? With that being said, all I can do is ask the question. My people came to me, Dan Coats came to me and some others and said they think it’s Russia.
I have President Putin. He just said it’s not Russia. I will say this. I don’t see any reason why it would be, but I really do want to see the server [Trump later said he used the wrong word, claiming he meant to say “I don’t see any reason why it wouldn’t be Russia”]. But I have confidence in both parties. I really believe that this will probably go on for a while, but I don’t think it can go on without finding out what happened to the server. What happened to the servers of the Pakistani gentleman that worked on the DNC? Where are those servers? They’re missing. Where are they? What happened to Hillary Clinton’s emails? 33,000 emails gone — just gone. I think in Russia they wouldn’t be gone so easily. I think it’s a disgrace that we can’t get Hillary Clinton’s 33,000 emails. So I have great confidence in my intelligence people, but I will tell you that president Putin was extremely strong and powerful in his denial today. And what he did is an incredible offer. He offered to have the people working on the case come and work with their investigators, with respect to the 12 people. I think that’s an incredible offer. Okay thank you.
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olejoedad
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APR 04, 10:02 AM
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ray b
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APR 04, 10:24 AM
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when your nut-con site has to tell you they ain't totally nut-conned BEWARE
JUST LIKE FOX WHO ''CLAIMS'' TO BE FAIR AND BALANCED
IT IS A TELL THEY NEVER EVER WILL BE FAIR OR BALANCED
BUT YOU BELIEVE THEM 100%
SO FEEL NUT CON LIES ARE OK TO REPEAT HERE
BUT NEVER FACT CHECK THAT IS A LIB THING UN-NEEDED BY THE RIGHTWING
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cliffw
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APR 04, 10:49 AM
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| quote | Originally posted by cliffw:
A claim while posting your personal opinion. Proof ? |
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Heh, you believe that is proof.
| quote | Originally posted by BingB:
Jeff Mason from Reuters: For President Putin if I could follow up as well. Why should Americans and why should President Trump believe your statement that Russia did not intervene in the 2016 election given the evidence that US Intelligence agencies have provided? |
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What was President Putin's response ?
| quote | Originally posted by BingB:
TRUMP[/b]: As you know, the concept of that came up perhaps a little before, but it came out as a reason why the Democrats lost an election, which frankly, they should have been able to win, because the electoral college is much more advantageous for Democrats, as you know, than it is to Republicans. We won the electoral college by a lot. 306 to 223, I believe. That was a well-fought battle. We did a great job. |
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That was not Putin. You want me to consider the opinion of an idiot ?
| quote | Originally posted by BingB:
Jonathan Lemire from AP: [i]Thank you. A question for each president. President Trump, you first. Just now President Putin denied having anything to do with the election interference in 2016. Every US intelligence agency has concluded that Russia did. |
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You want me to consider the opinion of another idiot ? US intelligence agencies do not make public their intelligence reports. Idiot Jonathan Lemire from AP chose to believe 50 former members of the intelligence agencies.
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BingB
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APR 04, 12:41 PM
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| quote | Originally posted by cliffw:
What was President Putin's response ?
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Doesn't matter, but the link is posted for you to read for yourself. Do you understand how that works?
| quote | Originally posted by cliffw:
That was not Putin. You want me to consider the opinion of an idiot ?
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Of course that was not Putin. We are not talking about what Putin said. This was Trump, and we were discussing what he said. Are you calling Trump an idiot?
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BingB
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APR 04, 12:45 PM
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| quote | Originally posted by cliffw:
US intelligence agencies do not make public their intelligence reports. |
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Yes they do.
https://int.nyt.com/data/do...46ebdd93e1e/full.pdf
You really need to just stop blindly believing everything the right-wing media tells you.
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olejoedad
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APR 05, 09:59 AM
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| quote | Originally posted by ray b:
when your nut-con site has to tell you they ain't totally nut-conned BEWARE
JUST LIKE FOX WHO ''CLAIMS'' TO BE FAIR AND BALANCED
IT IS A TELL THEY NEVER EVER WILL BE FAIR OR BALANCED
BUT YOU BELIEVE THEM 100%
SO FEEL NUT CON LIES ARE OK TO REPEAT HERE
BUT NEVER FACT CHECK THAT IS A LIB THING UN-NEEDED BY THE RIGHTWING |
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The article I posted was in response to a NYT article attacking RCP.
If you had read and digested the information in the article, you would know that, and understand how incorrect and misleading the NYT article was.
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ray b
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APR 05, 10:35 AM
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| quote | Originally posted by olejoedad:
The article I posted was in response to a NYT article attacking RCP.
If you had read and digested the information in the article, you would know that, and understand how incorrect and misleading the NYT article was. |
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your spin is for the nut-con's against the newspaper of record
Real Clear Politics heavily promotes content by The Federalist,
a conservative website which draws funding
from the same pool of donor money as Real Clear Politics.
FOLLOW THE MONEY
The New York Times also said that "Real Clear became one of the most prominent platforms for elevating unverified and reckless stories
about the president's political opponents, through a mix of its own content and articles from across conservative media....
" and that for days after the election, "Real Clear Politics gave top billing to stories
that reinforced the false narrative that the president could still somehow eke out a win."
THEY LIE FOR THE RUMP JUST LIKE YOU DO
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olejoedad
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APR 05, 11:30 AM
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The beauty of the First Amendment is that it allows people to make decisions for themselves, and not be told what or how to think.
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