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rinselberg
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FEB 10, 04:58 AM
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| quote | Originally posted by olejoedad:
I live in Michigan, our whole state government was taken over by arsewipes in the last election. |
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"Get a load of this!"
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olejoedad
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FEB 10, 08:35 AM
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Michigan's beautiful lands are being despoiled by wind turbines and thousands of acres of valuable farmland are being carpeted with solar farms - with or without the permission of the landowners.
The laws put into effect by the Democrats allow this.
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williegoat
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FEB 10, 10:10 AM
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| quote | Originally posted by olejoedad:
Michigan's beautiful lands are being despoiled by wind turbines and thousands of acres of valuable farmland are being carpeted with solar farms - with or without the permission of the landowners.
The laws put into effect by the Democrats allow this. |
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The government is confiscating private land and giving it to industry. That's not Fascist at all, no sir.
I have it on good authority that Fascism is when the president says "peacefully let your voices be heard".
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BingB
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FEB 10, 11:14 AM
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| quote | Originally posted by olejoedad:
Michigan's beautiful lands are being despoiled by wind turbines and thousands of acres of valuable farmland are being carpeted with solar farms - with or without the permission of the landowners.
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I can't find anything to back up this claim. Do you have a link?
Here is what I found.
https://michiganadvance.com...-standards-and-more/
Additionally, these bills do not contain an eminent domain aspect, meaning someone’s property would not be taken in order to site renewable energy, Aiyash said.
“This only happens if a landowner voluntarily decides to enter into an agreement with the developer and chooses to lease their land. So this actually gives landowners a lot of flexibility and freedom,” Aiyash said.[This message has been edited by BingB (edited 02-10-2024).]
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rinselberg
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FEB 10, 11:29 AM
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| quote | Originally posted by BingB:
I can't find anything to back up this claim. Do you have a link?
Here is what I found.
https://michig...ds-and-more/
Additionally, these bills do not contain an eminent domain aspect, meaning someone’s property would not be taken in order to site renewable energy, Aiyash said.
“This only happens if a landowner voluntarily decides to enter into an agreement with the developer and chooses to lease their land. So this actually gives landowners a lot of flexibility and freedom,” Aiyash said. |
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Looks like a new episode of "Ask olejoedad." Or "Michigan Today, hosted by olejoedad."
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olejoedad
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FEB 10, 12:25 PM
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Using good farmland to produce energy makes less sense than corn for ethanol and the associated government subsidy.
Consider BingoBongo's source of information.
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ray b
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FEB 10, 12:35 PM
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| quote | Originally posted by olejoedad:
Using good farmland to produce energy makes less sense than corn for ethanol and the associated government subsidy.
Consider BingoBongo's source of information. |
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lying for JESUS AND OR THE RUMP
Consider your source of information
consider your record of lying for your cults
when fact checked they fail
but never retract
and post more lies the next day
just like their lying leaders
have you no shame sir
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BingB
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FEB 10, 12:48 PM
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| quote | Originally posted by olejoedad:
Using good farmland to produce energy makes less sense than corn for ethanol and the associated government subsidy.
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You can still grow crops under windmills.
I'd have to do a cost analysis to determine if farmland is more valuable for crops or solar panels, but I do agree with you that ethanol subsidies are a joke.
| quote | Originally posted by olejoedad:
Consider BingoBongo's source of information. |
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How about you consider that my information is 100% correct, and before you say anything about my "source" I will point out that you don't have any source at all.
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rinselberg
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FEB 10, 01:20 PM
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| quote | Originally posted by olejoedad:
Using good farmland to produce energy makes less sense than corn for ethanol and the associated government subsidy.
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It's not that simple. Farming and ranching doesn't happen without energy for irrigation systems, tractors and other vehicles and machinery and infrastructure. The energy needs to be affordable; otherwise the particular farmland or livestock acreage in question isn't marketable.
| quote | | Agrivoltaics is the use of land for both agriculture and solar photovoltaic energy generation. It's also sometimes referred to as agrisolar, dual use solar, low impact solar. Solar grazing is a variation where livestock graze in and around solar panels. |
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"Agrivoltaics: Coming Soon to a Farm Near You?"
U.S. Department of Agriculture "Climate Hubs"
https://www.climatehubs.usd...nd%20solar%20panels.
If energy cannot be had from wind, solar, hydro, geothermal or nuclear, that takes us back to the fossil fuels; to wit:
"Tradeoffs, balancing, and adaptation in the agriculture-oil and gas nexus: Insights from farmers and ranchers in the United States"
Julia H. Haggerty et al; Energy Research & Social Science; Volume 47, January 2019, Pages 84-92.
https://doi.org/10.1016/j.erss.2018.08.012
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| quote | This paper seeks to expand an emerging, multi-disciplinary body of work about tradeoffs in the agriculture-oil and gas nexus by offering evidence of the ways that farm and ranch operators experienced and negotiated costs and benefits of hosting oil and gas in three U.S. oil and gas plays.
We report results of mail survey sent to landowners in four rural counties in three U.S. oil and gas regions (Marcellus, Powder River Basin and Bakken) and specifically data from farmers and ranchers about perceptions and experiences of the agriculture-oil and gas nexus (n = 96). The data provided through closed- and open-ended questions suggest, from the perspective of those hosting energy infrastructure on farms and ranches, oil and gas development has enhanced agriculture operations and rural livelihoods but is not without negative impacts or tradeoffs. We introduce the balancing act as a useful framework for considering tradeoffs associated with hosting extractive industries as it allows space for the “balance” between economic activities to be impossible, aspirational or achievable.
The study observes that mechanisms through which positive and negative effects operate vary according to agricultural context. |
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Whereas,
"Solar energy development on farmland: Three prevalent perspectives of conflict, synergy and compromise in the United States"
Zachary A. Goldberg; Energy Research & Social Science; Volume 101, July 2023, 103145.
https://doi.org/10.1016/j.erss.2023.103145
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| quote | As farmland has become a key place for grid-scale, ground-mounted solar energy development, there needs to be more analysis to explore what energy transitions mean for the future of agriculture. This article uses the food–energy–water (FEW) nexus framework to delineate three different perspectives of solar energy development on farmland. The first two perspectives fit into the FEW nexus language of “trade-offs” and “synergies” respectively, arguing that solar energy development either conflicts with agricultural land use and food security or, alternatively, that the two land uses can be co-located appropriately to create agrivoltaic systems.
The third perspective is a compromise, arguing that solar energy - neither a complete trade-off to nor completely synergetic with continued agriculture—preserves farmland for future agricultural use.
By analyzing these perspectives together, we further understand implications of solar energy development. While each of these perspectives is important, agrivoltaics has the greatest potential to play a positive role across both energy and agricultural transitions. Nonetheless, there are several key barriers to agrivoltaic development, including the need for sufficient access to water, local knowledge and appropriate agricultural resources, and sustained interest from solar energy developers.
The development of agrivoltaics, and solar energy in general, should raise important political questions of land access and resource use. |
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Think about it![This message has been edited by rinselberg (edited 02-10-2024).]
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olejoedad
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FEB 11, 07:11 PM
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