You dont have feee speech if you can be arrested for jokes. (Page 14/18) cliffw AUG 14, 08:50 AM quote Originally posted by fredtoast: No "one" person gets to make the rules for the whole world. You live in a make believe fantasy world.. You clearly don't understand how the world works. People do not make rules for the whole world. They make them for themselves. It's called freedom. 82-T/A [At Work] AUG 14, 08:58 AM quote Originally posted by cliffw: There is a solution for that gibberish. Let the deceased person's family, and the surviving wife's family provide them with support. And the charitable entities in the land. Americans are a very giving people. His statement here, "Or if you get seriously injured with no health insurance (or not enough) you could stick a hospital with millions of dollars of bills that will never get paid." ... is somewhat questionable. If this was a concern, a legitimate one, then we wouldn't be allowing millions of illegals in every year... all of which overwhelm the public health system, including putting dozens and dozens of Christian charity / not for profit hospitals out of business... to which point they're being converted into private hospitals (if they don't get shut down entirely), which then lead to higher costs and a profit-driven motive. Which... is not a bad thing, but then those who can least afford it, and the very people the Democrats say they are trying to help... literally get even more disadvantaged. And this is the biggest problem with Democrat policies. For decades they've been stating that their policies help the downtrodden, but in fact they almost always lead to worse pain and suffering for the very people they proclaim to help. The most simple example I can give was in Florida. Back when I moved to Florida in the 90s, I was a Democrat if for no other reason than because I listened to my teachers, and possibly rebelling from my parents (I cannot remember why). The Democrats had a policy of emissions and safety inspection testing which was very rigorous. Much more defined than most other states. It required strict adherence to emissions testing, which even required you to run your car on a dyno (at speed) while you did a sniffer test. They also checked everything on your car to make sure it was "safe" to be on the road. Take a guess who this hurt the most? The only people this actually affected, were people with older cars. People with classics or modified cars made up like... what, 1%? The majority of the people who were affected were the people who could barely afford cars in the first place... the day laborers and workers who had to get back and forth to work. The people with newer cars, well... this was no problem. They always passed. But the poor people... having to replace a catalytic converter usually wiped out a person's savings (if they even had any), and it resulted in fines, which gave them a "fix-it" ticket, that they had to fix and correct within 60 days. Not to mention the fact that they didn't get their registration renewed, so it's not like that helped... it was just an additional frustration they had to deal with. Jeb Bush, who was really the start of the state of Florida becoming Republican, eliminated all of this. And it dramatically helped the lower income class... I mean, substantially. It lifted all boats as they say. The state workers got other jobs within the state, and almost all of those old emissions testing facilities turned into speed shops. We'd only had like 1 or 2 Republican governors in the entire history of Florida up to the point that we elected Jeb Bush, and each one was only a 1 term governor, elected only because the previous Democrat had resigned as a result of fraud and corruption. So Jeb in 1998, was really the start of Florida becoming a deep blue racist state like all the others, from slowly becoming Republican. It occurred from a lot of Republican New Yorkers moving South, and the increase in immigration from Cubans and people fleeing Venezuela during that time (who, assisted by the Cubans, quickly became Republican). But yeah... so that argument in my mind is bogus. cliffw AUG 14, 09:00 AM quote Originally posted by 82-T/A [At Work]: My dad though, almost never puts his seat belt on... but will eventually put it on after I say... "DAD!!!" Even to this day, he still forgets and starts driving and the car makes all the dings and beeps that I've never heard before. He's old school, and that's just kind of how it was back then. I do not think I am old enough to be your father. Sounds like I am more old school than he. I will not own a vehicle that uses noises to control me. In 2005 I bought a brand new 2005 Toyota truck. No bothersome noises. In 2011 I bought my wife a 2011 Toyota Rav4. No bothersome noises. She would never hear them but I might. cliffw AUG 14, 09:06 AM quote Originally posted by fredtoast: I bet even the biggest fighters for FREEDOM around here wear their seat belts. I will take that bet and raise you $100.00 quote Originally posted by fredtoast: You owe it to the passengers in your car to wear a seatbelt because human bodies are the biggest objects flying around the passenger compartment during an accident. You are "free" to go beltless if you are driving alone, but when travelling with others your respect for their safety should outweigh the minimal restriction on "freedom" that a seat belt imposes. There you go again . Deciding for other people how they need to live. 82-T/A [At Work] AUG 14, 09:16 AM quote Originally posted by cliffw: I do not think I am old enough to be your father. Sounds like I am more old school than he. I will not own a vehicle that uses noises to control me. In 2005 I bought a brand new 2005 Toyota truck. No bothersome noises. In 2011 I bought my wife a 2011 Toyota Rav4. No bothersome noises. She would never hear them but I might. It's funny, I was visiting my dad yesterday for dinner (they live a couple hours away), and I went with my dad to my storage unit where I keep my VW Bus. The second I started driving to the storage unit... my car was beeping like crazy, and I said... "DAD!!!" hahah... I immediately thought of Patrick scolding me about my dad not wearing his seat belt, and I was like... ugh... why did my brain build this neural-pathway. I like you Patrick, but I don't want to think about you at random times! cliffw AUG 14, 09:27 AM quote Originally posted by Patrick: The only people benefiting from minority rule are those who currently find themselves in a favorable societal position which can only be maintained through unfair representation in governmental affairs. So sure, I understand why these particular people would strive to maintain the status quo... but let's not pretend this is equatable for all. To suggest that the rights of a few have more weight than the rights of the many is... is... let me introduce you to the "royal" families of Europe. I thought Americans wished to distance themselves from this nonsense. How blind are you ? It has nothing to do with maintaining the status quo. It is from changing the status quo. cliffw AUG 14, 09:33 AM quote Originally posted by fredtoast: If the government is not here to take care of the people then who does it serve? My my. Our government was not enacted to take care of us. It was enacted to protect our freedom. You didn't know this ? cliffw AUG 14, 09:35 AM quote Originally posted by fredtoast: Without government protection individuals and the environment were exploited and subjugated by corporate powers. The government is the only protection we have from the corporate "muggers". WTF ? Corporate "muggers" own the government. cliffw AUG 14, 09:40 AM quote Originally posted by PhatMax: I’m convinced now that Fred is a plant on this forum to stir up crap…. What took you so long, ? Early in his stirrings, another member made note that he was an old member of a different opinion. Who was either banned or went in to self exile. cliffw AUG 14, 09:42 AM quote Originally posted by 82-T/A [At Work]: When I was a kid, he pulled the buzzer out of his Volvo 240 because it wouldn't shut off until you put your seat belt on. Now they hide them, .