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RandomTask
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MAY 27, 08:19 AM
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Incredibly dumb argument. Hammers are not specifically designed to kill. Would you bring a hammer to a gun fight?
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RandomTask
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MAY 27, 08:21 AM
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| quote | Originally posted by randye:

Leftists gotta Leftist
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"We care about all children!" "Except these ones 'cause I want my guns!"
Just admit that these kids lives are an acceptable cost to you so that you can continue to own AR style rifles.[This message has been edited by RandomTask (edited 05-27-2022).]
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blackrams
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MAY 27, 08:22 AM
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Reported this morning that the shooter threatened to go to a school his senior year (when he turned 18) and kill students. The report said he was arrested 4 years ago for this threat.
It appears he wasn't taken seriously.............. Apparently, this was discovered during a check of his juvenile records and would not have been discovered in adult records during his background check for buying the AR15. This needs to be addressed for background checks.
Rams
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MidEngineManiac
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MAY 27, 10:39 AM
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| quote | Originally posted by RandomTask: Just admit that these kids lives are an acceptable cost to you so that you can continue to own AR style rifles.
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So an AR-STYLE semi-automatic, .223/5.56 sporting rifle is somehow more lethal than a traditional-style semi-automatic, .223/5.56 rifle ????????
  
Is that the same way a stock Iron-Duke Sport-STYLE Fiero is somehow faster than a stock Iron-Duke traditional-style anything else ??????
 
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williegoat
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MAY 27, 11:08 AM
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| quote | Originally posted by Patrick:
Yes, five more international shooters... and just short of sixty American shooters.
Was this supposed to be making some sort of case for you? Ummm, well done, I guess. |
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The case that I successfully made was as I have already stated several times in this thread:
| quote | Originally posted by williegoat:
Your post is predicated on a lie.
You ask: "Why are these school massacres only occurring in the US?"
These massacres do not happen only in the US. I posted plenty of proof of that.
Your libelous contention was intended to disparage my country. This is detestable.
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Also, and again I have already said this: Gun control is not the solution.
Despite strict gun control in places like Canada and Mexico, school shootings and mass murders still happen.
| quote | Originally posted by Patrick:
well done
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Thank you.
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williegoat
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MAY 27, 11:27 AM
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It is becoming obvious that you are just trolling. You have no interest in solving the problem.
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MidEngineManiac
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MAY 27, 11:41 AM
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rinselberg
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MAY 27, 11:52 AM
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| quote | Originally posted by MidEngineManiac:
So an AR-STYLE semi-automatic, .223/5.56 sporting rifle is somehow more lethal than a traditional-style semi-automatic, .223/5.56 rifle ????????
Is that the same way a stock Iron-Duke Sport-STYLE Fiero is somehow faster than a stock Iron-Duke traditional-style anything else ??????
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What distinguishes an "AR-style" semiautomatic .223/5.56 rifle, from a "traditional" semiautomatic .223/5.56 rifle?
It partly comes down to the potential for a shooter to fire more bullets in a given period of time, by taking advantage of the convenience of detachable magazines, and the capacity to accept larger-sized magazines that could distinguish an AR-style version from the traditional version of an otherwise similar semiautomatic rifle. But the devil is in the details, since "AR-style" and "traditional" are not exact descriptions of how a semiautomatic rifle breaks down, in terms of how it can be loaded and reloaded.
Between an AR-style and a traditional, the difference in lethality would not be in terms of each round that is fired, but it could be in how many more rounds the shooter will be able to fire within the few minutes that is commonly required for an average homeowner to effectively neutralize a home invader—or "what have you."
Comparing an AR-style to a traditional is like comparing two Fieros with the same or similar engines and other running gear, but one of the Fieros has a larger gas tank. Neither of the two Fieros can be driven any faster than the other one—all other things being equal—but the Fiero with the larger gas tank can be driven farther without stopping to get more gasoline. That one—the Fiero with the larger gas tank—would be the "AR-style" Fiero.
But that's only part of the story, because "AR-style" could also signify differences in how the rifle can be broken down into its separable parts and reassembled, which could make the AR-style easier to conceal as the shooter carries it from place to place, or even seeks to hide it in some place where they can conveniently have access to it.
And that's not even the full story, because "AR-style" could also signify handgrip features, sighting mechanisms and tripod-mount functionality that would enable the shooter to engage targets more successfully at longer ranges, or fire the bullets rapidly in a trench-sweeping pattern (a reference to World War One) that neutralizes multiple targets that are close by, but approaching or stationed along various lines of sight, from the shooter's perspective.
Finally, it's important to recognize the difference between a shooter and a potential shooter, as neither the AR-style or traditional semiautomatic rifle will ever load, aim and fire itself autonomously.
It's important for legislators to understand these concepts as they are faced with constituents who are concerned about preserving "gun rights" and at the same time, other constituents who are clamoring for more "gun safety."
I am not seeking to copyright this material, so it will remain freely available to anyone who can benefit from using it in whatever way they see fit.[This message has been edited by rinselberg (edited 05-27-2022).]
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olejoedad
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MAY 27, 11:53 AM
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| quote | Originally posted by RandomTask: "We care about all children!" "Except these ones 'cause I want my guns!"
Just admit that these kids lives are an acceptable cost to you so that you can continue to own AR style rifles.
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63 MILLION babies aborted.
No child should be denied growing up.
No child should be denied a loving family.
Guns aren't the problem here.
People that make immoral choices are the problem.
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MidEngineManiac
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MAY 27, 12:01 PM
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| quote | Originally posted by rinselberg:
What distinguishes an "AR-style" semiautomatic .223/5.56 rifle, from a "traditional" semiautomatic .223/5.56 rifle?
It partly comes down to the potential for a shooter to fire more bullets in a given period of time, by taking advantage of the convenience of detachable magazines, and the capacity to accept larger-sized magazines that could distinguish an AR-style version from the traditional version of an otherwise similar semiautomatic rifle. But the devil is in the details, since "AR-style" and "traditional" are not exact descriptions of how a semiautomatic rifle breaks down, in terms of how it can be loaded and reloaded.
Between an AR-style and a traditional, the difference in lethality would not be in terms of each round that is fired, but it could be in how many more rounds the shooter will be able to fire within the few minutes that is commonly required for an average homeowner to effectively neutralize a home invader—or "what have you."
Comparing an AR-style to a traditional is like comparing two Fieros with the same or similar engines and other running gear, but one of the Fieros has a larger gas tank. Neither of the two Fieros can be driven any faster than the other one (all other things being equal) but the Fiero with the larger gas tank can be driven farther without stopping to get more gasoline. That one—the Fiero with the larger gas tank—would be the "AR-style" Fiero.
But that's only part of the story, because "AR-style" could also signify differences in how the rifle can be broken down into its separable parts and reassembled, which could make the "AR-style" easier to conceal as the shooter carries it from place to place, or even seeks to hide it in some place where they can conveniently have access to it.
And that's not even the full story, because "AR-style" could also signify handgrip features, sighting mechanisms and tripod-mount functionality that would enable the shooter to engage targets more successfully at longer ranges, or fire the bullets rapidly in a trench-sweeping pattern (a reference to World War One) that neutralizes multiple targets that are close by, but approaching or stationed along various lines of sight, from the shooter's perspective.
Finally, it's important to recognize the difference between a shooter and a potential shooter, as neither the AR-style or traditional semiautomatic rifle will ever load, aim and fire itself autonomously.
It's important for legislators to understand these concepts as they are faced with constituents who are concerned about preserving "gun rights" and at the same time, other constituents who are clamoring for more "gun safety."
I am not seeking to copyright this material, so it will remain freely available to anyone who can benefit from using it in whatever way they see fit.
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Rinse, get yourself one of these...
Browse through it, and find out JUST how many magazine-fed "Traditional" rifles there are. Hundreds.
Simple fact is the lefties are after AR's simply because they resemble M-4's. It has nothing to do with functionality and everything to do with "I dont like the way it looks and am ooooffffeeennndddddeeeedddd"
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