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rinselberg
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JAN 12, 06:04 PM
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"A Huge Underground 'Battery' Is Coming to a Tiny Utah Town"
| quote | | The project is part of an audacious plan to create hydrogen, which produces no carbon dioxide when burned, and store it in caverns until electricity is needed. |
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I'm not clear about exactly how much federal support is involved, altogether, but part of it is a $504 million loan guarantee from the Department of Energy. That's a "Solyndra-sized" loan guarantee, although I doubt that anyone involved would want to hearken back to the Solyndra saga.
Here's some excerpts from this very splashy new news report, which includes a veritable gallery of eye-catching photographs.
| quote | Outside Delta, a one-stoplight town in the scrublands of central Utah, a giant battery is taking shape underground.
Two caverns, each as deep as the Empire State Building is tall, are being created from a geological salt formation, using water to dissolve and remove the salt. When completed next year, the caverns will be able to store a huge amount of energy, but in a form that is vastly different from the chemical batteries found in everything from flashlights to cars.
Here, the energy will be stored as hydrogen gas. |
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| quote | The developers, including Chevron, which bought a majority stake in one of the projects in September, plan to produce hydrogen using excess solar and wind power in spring and fall, when demand for electricity is low, and store it in the caverns. Then in the summer, when electricity demand is high, it would be burned in the second project, a power plant that would use a blend of hydrogen and natural gas.
That new plant would replace an aging facility that burns coal, the dirtiest of the fossil fuels, but would still emit some planet-warming gases depending on the mix of natural gas and hydrogen.
The coal-fired plant, which was dedicated in 1987 at a ceremony that featured the Mormon Tabernacle Choir, is due to shut down because it stands to lose its major customers, Los Angeles and other cities in Southern California, as that state has moved to sharply reduce greenhouse gas emissions from power generation.
But because the coal plant sends power to Southern California, there is a long-distance, high-voltage transmission line already in place. At a time when building new lines is costly and can take a decade or longer, an existing line is invaluable. It could carry electricity from the new natural gas-hydrogen plant and also could bring in renewable power for the hydrogen project.
And in what Mr. Ward [Ward Cleaver?] called the “happiest of coincidences,” geology played a role, too. As it happens, the area is underlain by salt domes, underground columns of salt that can be dissolved with water, leaving impermeable caverns that are ideal for gas storage. |
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| quote | | At a nearby railroad siding, workers were using a crane to unload the first of 40 electrolyzers from a rail car. The 100-ton behemoths, each roughly the size of a large shipping container, will be used to generate the hydrogen by splitting water molecules. The process, electrolysis, has been used for decades, although not at this scale. The cost of this project is expected to be more than $1 billion. |
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| quote | | “It’s a massive amount of [energy] storage,” said Jigar Shah, head of the Department of Energy’s loan program office, which issued a $504 million loan guarantee for the project. “And it comes at the exact right time” in the West, he said, where there are many new renewable energy projects that together can produce more electricity than needed in the spring and fall. “This is a great way to deal with all that excess supply.” |
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That's a "skeletonized" version of the report. Of course, there's more online. But I duplicated a generous amount of the text. Now if I could just come up with a way to lure more forum members into this thread...
"A Huge Underground 'Battery' Is Coming to a Tiny Utah Town"
Henry Fountain "of knowledge" for the New York Times; January 12, 2024.
https://www.nytimes.com/202...-climate-change.html
"That's a infrastructure..."[This message has been edited by rinselberg (edited 01-12-2024).]
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ray b
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JAN 12, 06:47 PM
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| quote | Originally posted by Wichita:
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87 F HERE TODAY
NEW RECORD BY 4 DEGS
CAR-TUNES AIN'T GOING TO FIX IT
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olejoedad
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JAN 12, 11:39 PM
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Neither are wind turbines, electric cars or solar panels.
You might want to buy longer mooring lines......
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williegoat
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JAN 13, 09:57 AM
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| quote | Originally posted by ray b:
87 F HERE TODAY
NEW RECORD BY 4 DEGS
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We have been below freezing five of the last six mornings. Many years, we do not go below freezing all winter. This is called "weather", not "climate".
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CAR-TUNES AIN'T GOING TO FIX IT
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I don't know about that, this cartoon makes me feel kind of warm and fuzzy.
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rinselberg
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JAN 13, 10:50 PM
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| quote | Originally posted by ray b:
87 F HERE TODAY
NEW RECORD BY 4 DEGS
CAR-TUNES AIN'T GOING TO FIX IT
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| quote | Originally posted by olejoedad:
Neither are wind turbines, electric cars or solar panels.
You might want to buy longer mooring lines...... |
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"... 'King Coal's' crown snatched by Wind, Solar"
Source: https://www.canarymedia.com...on-us-grid-this-year
"Exponential growth of solar and wind-generated electricity"
Source: https://rmi.org/insight/x-change-electricity/[This message has been edited by rinselberg (edited 01-13-2024).]
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olejoedad
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JAN 13, 11:16 PM
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rinselberg
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JAN 13, 11:59 PM
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"The US just made its biggest-ever investment in the grid"
| quote | | The power grid is not ready to handle the energy transition—or extreme weather. The Biden administration hopes $3.5B in new investments will fix that. |
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Jeff St. John for Canary Media; October 18, 2023.
https://www.canarymedia.com...vestment-in-the-grid
"Two Years of Building a Better Grid: What it Means for Communities"
U.S. Department of Energy, Grid Deployment Office; January 12, 2024.
https://www.energy.gov/gdo/...it-means-communities
"Everytime you listen to Tucker Carlson, you (should) feel (more than just) a little bit dumber."
To paraphrase what Nikki Haley said about Vivek Ramaswamy recently, that went "viral."[This message has been edited by rinselberg (edited 01-14-2024).]
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olejoedad
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JAN 14, 10:09 AM
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We have technology to prevent widespread damage to our modern lifestyle in the event of another 'Carrington Event',.but it would take a large investment from private companies to semi-hard3n the infrastructure.
Consider a Carrington event as an EMP attack, only thousands of times stronger and possibly world wide.[This message has been edited by olejoedad (edited 01-14-2024).]
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rinselberg
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JAN 14, 10:16 AM
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| quote | Originally posted by olejoedad:
We do not have technology to prevent widespread damage to our modern lifestyle in the event of another 'Carrington Event'.
Consider a Carrington event as an EMP attack, only thousands of times stronger and world wide.
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WWTD
What Would Tucker [have us] Do?Click to show
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olejoedad
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JAN 14, 11:04 AM
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That's easy.....
Be informed
Think outside the media four news stories a day box.
Approach ones life with an open mind.
Question what you are told.
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