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Patrick
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OCT 18, 03:18 PM
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| quote | Originally posted by olejoedad:
No registration was required for me to view it.
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cliffw
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OCT 18, 05:01 PM
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| quote | Originally posted by rinselberg:
... Wichita is "good" for about one cartoon or meme per diem that reveals his [Wichita's] solipsism, ... |
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olejoedad
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OCT 19, 07:46 AM
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Here is the full text of the article I posted earlier.
It required one to register on the website to view it.
I have italicized a very relevant statement.
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Who or what are ‘the Palestinians?’
From time immemorial, Jews occupied the spot history knows as ‘Judaea.’ What happened to that?
October 16, 2023 | 9:59 am
palestinians
Protesters shout slogans against Israel during a demonstration in Ramallah (Getty)
Written By:
Roger Kimball
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It’s so cute when politicians like AOC and Rashida Tlaib, to say nothing of hysteric undergraduates and ill-informed lefties across the country, complain that Israel is an “apartheid state” that is illegitimately “occupying” the land West of the Jordan River from the Golan Heights down to the border of the Sinai Peninsula.
Responding to the murderous attacks on Israeli civilians by Hamas on October 7, AOC decried “the occupation of Palestine” while Tlaib urged “ending the occupation, and dismantling the apartheid system” that can “lead to resistance.”
Hermeneuts of the world, unite! What does Tlaib mean by “resistance” here? Slaughtering innocent partygoers? Incinerating and beheading babies? Indiscriminately raping then murdering hostages? And what is the force of “lead to”? Is it meant to suggest that Israel is somehow to blame for such acts of “resistance” because — because why? Because the Jewish people occupy the place that was 1) their ancestral homeland and 2) with which they were reinvested by the Balfour Declaration of 1917, by the victorious Brits after World War One and and the dissolution of the Ottoman Empire, explicitly to provide a “national home for the Jewish people,” and 3) by the creation of the state of Israel in 1948?
What group of people do they think belongs there?
“Palestinians” is the usual answer.
But who or what are the “Palestinians”?
“People from Palestine,” you say.
But what is Palestine?
From time immemorial, Jews occupied the spot history knows as “Judaea.” What happened to that? Gibbon said that Hadrian, who ruled from AD 117 to 138, was one of the “five good emperors.” Maybe so, but there is a reason that the Jews proverbially accompanied any mention of Hadrian with the imprecation, “May God crush his bones.”
Hadrian brutally put down the Bar Kokhba revolt of AD 132-136 and, in an effort to stamp out any remnants of Jewish nationalism killed, or exiled the entire population and renamed “Judaea” “Syrian Palestine.”
The “Palestinians” that we know and love today were an invention of the KGB and their puppet Yasser Arafat, an educated, middle-class Arab of Egyptian origin who devoted his life to murderous anti-American mischief. (Among other things, he arranged for the murder of Cleo Noel, the US ambassador to Sudan.)
Ion Mihai Pacepa, the former chief of Romanian intelligence, defected to the US and wrote about the links between Arafat and the KGB: “Arafat was an important undercover operative for the KGB,” Pacepa wrote in the Wall Street Journal:
Right after the 1967 Six Day Arab-Israeli war, Moscow got him appointed to chairman of the PLO. Egyptian ruler Gamal Abdel Nasser, a Soviet puppet, proposed the appointment. In 1969 the KGB asked Arafat to declare war on American “imperial-Zionism” during the first summit of the Black Terrorist International, a neo-fascist pro-Palestine organization financed by the KGB and Libya’s Muammar Gaddafi. It appealed to him so much, Arafat later claimed to have invented the imperial-Zionist battle cry. But in fact, “imperial-Zionism” was a Moscow invention, a modern adaptation of the “Protocols of the Elders of Zion,” and long a favorite tool of Russian intelligence to foment ethnic hatred. The KGB always regarded antisemitism plus anti-imperialism as a rich source of anti-Americanism.
Somehow, those details are omitted by the “pro-Palestinian” lobby in their pursuit of ecstatic antisemitism, as is the inconvenient fact that “prior to the PLO Charter being released in 1964, no one referred to Palestinians with the same intent as used today. There is a reason no mention exists prior to that moment. The KGB had not created the fictitious people until that time.”
Don’t believe it? How about this statement from Zuheir Mohsen, a senior PLO leader, in 1977:
The Palestinian people do not exist. The creation of a Palestinian state is only a means for continuing our struggle against the state of Israel for our Arab unity… Only for political and tactical reasons do we speak today about the existence of a Palestinian people, since Arab national interests demand that we posit the existence of a distinct “Palestinian people” to oppose Zionism. Yes, the existence of a separate Palestinian identity exists only for tactical reasons.
The history of the Levant makes for a complicated story, not least its recent history. I will not try to tell it all here. But the idea that the Jews are illegitimately occupying territory that really belongs to “the Palestinians” is a politically-motivated historical falsehood that only an unhappy terrorist or a half-educated Western leftie, could believe.
By
Roger Kimball
Roger Kimball is the editor and publisher of the New Criterion, publisher of Encounter Books and a Spectator columnist and contributing editor.[This message has been edited by olejoedad (edited 10-19-2023).]
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cliffw
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OCT 19, 08:41 AM
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| quote | Originally posted by ray b:
since the end of 2017, RealClearPolitics has had a rightward, pro-Donald Trump turn in its content.
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Britch and moan when it's fake news.
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cliffw
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OCT 19, 08:45 AM
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| quote | Originally posted by ray b:
since the end of 2017, RealClearPolitics has had a rightward, pro-Donald Trump turn in its content.
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Britch and moan when it's fake news.
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ray b
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OCT 24, 09:39 AM
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| quote | Originally posted by cliffw:
Britch and moan when it's fake news. |
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you mean like the BS posted by olejoedad above
jews out by 130ace until 1880
but you claim ''Palestinians” that we know and love today were an invention of the KGB ''
people who were there 130 to 1880 were invented by the KGB who were started after 1917 revolt
HOW DID THE KGB DO THAT BEFORE THEY EXISTED
MUST BE A MIRACLE
SORRY BUT THAT MAKES NO SENSE
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olejoedad
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OCT 24, 09:47 AM
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Perhaps you should putin put on your glasses when you read.
The article didn't say that.
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olejoedad
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OCT 24, 09:57 AM
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ray b
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OCT 24, 10:40 AM
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LOVE THOSE FAKE SITES don't you
PRAGER NOT A U YET AGAIN
sorry but fake BS about the people who live there is a sad lie
didn't JC tell you not to bear false witness but you do exactly that repeatedly
real people lived there after the religious jews were run out by the romans in 130ace
they did not go there by KGB plots like your BS claims
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ray b
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OCT 24, 11:00 AM
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| quote | Originally posted by olejoedad:
Perhaps you should putin put on your glasses when you read.
The article didn't say that. |
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the quote is from your fake site
''Palestinians” that we know and love today were an invention of the KGB ''
unlike some copy/paste seldom lies
but is real zionist/christian fundie propaganda
I have seen your ways far too often for my liking
you ain't the first nor the last fundie I have debated
there is no revealed truth in the buybull
no history prior to 600bce just tall tales
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