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williegoat
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NOV 10, 09:51 PM
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| quote | Originally posted by rinselberg:
Statistically, it's being argued that 2023 is the "game changer" that is going to demarcate the beginning of a radically warmer climate regime, unless human greenhouse gas emissions are seriously and rapidly curtailed. But I doubt that can actually be achieved, considering how much additional fossil fuel production is already in the works. So the climate "dice" are already being rolled, regardless of what people of my "ilk" like to think about it.
One of the more ironic possibilities is that continued, greenhouse gas-driven global warming will set off a chain of events that will shut down the Atlantic Ocean Meridional Current, which transports warm ocean water from the equatorial regions to the northern latitudes where it acts like a heating system for most of Europe. That could trigger the next Ice Age, almost before we could blink.
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So, what you are saying is that it could get really warm or it could get really cold. That reminds me of something...what's the word? Oh yeah, weather!
Or, the earth is self regulating.  (maybe it was created that way on purpose)
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rinselberg
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NOV 10, 11:31 PM
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cliffw
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NOV 11, 07:10 AM
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You are not just "way out in left field" on this... you're on Waveland Avenue!
It's only the more recent periods of Earth's history that are relevant. If you try to go too far back in time, you are looking at a planet with major differences in the configuration of its land masses and oceans, because of plate tectonics and continental drift... an atmosphere that had considerably more or less oxygen, depending on what period you're in.... periods before there were flowering plants and before there was any animal life on land, which would greatly affect the Carbon Cycle... periods when the carbon dioxide and other kinds of gases and aerosols in the atmosphere from volcanic activity was 10 or even 100 times more than anything that overlaps with the most recent million or so years that takes us back to our earliest human ancestors... yada yada yada. You can't go back all that far in Earth's history to do climate comparisons, because of "apples and oranges."
The Last Interglacial, from 130,000 to 115,000 years ago, is about as far back in the Earth's history as you can go, before you start encountering serious "apples and oranges."
You are not thinking about this from a human perspective. Scientists are not saying that there won't be a time in the future when the climate becomes much warmer (or colder) than what we're accustomed to. Scientists are saying that if we leave it up to Mother Nature, that kind of change is unlikely for several more thousands of years. But if we do not address the human-attributable greenhouse gas concerns, that kind of change will be upon us much sooner... very possibly by year 2100, if not before.
Statistically, it's being argued that 2023 is the "game changer" that is going to demarcate the beginning of a radically warmer climate regime, unless human greenhouse gas emissions are seriously and rapidly curtailed. But I doubt that can actually be achieved, considering how much additional fossil fuel production is already in the works. So the climate "dice" are already being rolled, regardless of what people of my "ilk" like to think about it.
One of the more ironic possibilities is that continued, greenhouse gas-driven global warming will set off a chain of events that will shut down the Atlantic Ocean Meridional Current, which transports warm ocean water from the equatorial regions to the northern latitudes where it acts like a heating system for most of Europe. That could trigger the next Ice Age, almost before we could blink.
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rinselberg
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NOV 11, 09:30 AM
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That was thoughtful of cliffw to duplicate my "key" post from the previous page (page 30) of this thread, but I advise that readers use this link to see it in its original context:
https://www.fiero.nl/forum/...000494-30.html#p1198
It is a direct response to 82-T/A's remarks about the S-Curve or Sigmoid Curve, which is the part that cliffw has omitted.
The larger "SIZE=2" text characters that I used are infinitely more readable, and that's a "bennie" that readers can only benefit from by making the conscious choice to select this hypertext page link:
https://www.fiero.nl/forum/...000494-30.html#p1198
| quote | Originally posted by cliffw:
"Humanity just lived through the hottest 12 months in at least 125,000 years."
Just like they lived through the hottest 12 months since humanity has existed.
Just like they lived through the coldest 12 months since humanity has existed.
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Not everyone has lived through the last 12 months, and a fair number have died because of the direct or indirect consequences of the weather extremes experienced around the world in 2023.
The expectation of many scientists is that an even warmer climate regime, with even more prolonged, widespread and damaging droughts, drought-related wildfires, floods from extreme rainfall, and more punishing tropical storms and cyclones is what lies ahead, unless there are serious and rapid reductions in the human-attributable emissions of greenhouse gases.
I think it's unlikely that I myself will meet my end because of the direct or indirect impacts of extreme weather.
But I can think of some ways that it could happen. It could happen to me if there were a weather extreme, like an ARkStorm, that coincided with a major seismic event.[This message has been edited by rinselberg (edited 11-11-2023).]
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cliffw
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NOV 11, 04:47 PM
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| quote | Originally posted by rinselberg:
Not everyone has lived through the last 12 months, and a fair number have died because of the direct or indirect consequences of the weather extremes experienced around the world in 2023. |
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Damn. That happened before I was born. déjà vu ?
| quote | Originally posted by rinselberg:
The expectation of many scientists is that an even warmer climate regime, with even more prolonged, widespread and damaging droughts, drought-related wildfires, floods from extreme rainfall, and more punishing tropical storms and cyclones is what lies ahead, unless there are serious and rapid reductions in the human-attributable emissions of greenhouse gases. |
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The same scientists whose predictions were all wrong ?
| quote | Originally posted by rinselberg:
I think it's unlikely that I myself will meet my end because of the direct or indirect impacts of extreme weather.
But I can think of some ways that it could happen. It could happen to me if there were a weather extreme, like an ARkStorm, that coincided with a major seismic event.
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Fail. You think what your sources of information tell you to think.
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rinselberg
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NOV 11, 05:04 PM
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| quote | Originally posted by cliffw:
The same scientists whose predictions were all wrong? |
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Why do you keep saying that? Can you post one prediction that has been proven "all wrong"..? Maybe somebody or somebodies, back in the day, said that the Arctic Ocean was going to become ice free by year 2020? Something along those lines?
Was that a prediction from scientists? Was ti published as a prediction in a peer-reviewed research report? Or was it just something that came out in a news media report, without being attributed to any one scientist or group of scientists? Was it qualified... did they say the Arctic Ocean could become ice free by year 2020?
Of all the things that cliffw says about this topic, this is among the most puzzling to me.
What's he talking about?[This message has been edited by rinselberg (edited 11-11-2023).]
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cliffw
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NOV 12, 11:04 AM
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| quote | Originally posted by rinselberg:
Not everyone has lived through the last 12 months, and a fair number have died because of the direct or indirect consequences of the weather extremes experienced around the world in 2023.
The expectation of many scientists is that an even warmer climate regime, with even more prolonged, widespread and damaging droughts, drought-related wildfires, floods from extreme rainfall, and more punishing tropical storms and cyclones is what lies ahead, unless there are serious and rapid reductions in the human-attributable emissions of greenhouse gases. |
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The same scientists whose predictions were all wrong ?
| quote | Originally posted by rinselberg:
Why do you keep saying that? Can you post one prediction that has been proven "all wrong"..? Maybe somebody or somebodies, back in the day, said that the Arctic Ocean was going to become ice free by year 2020? Something along those lines? |
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Where did all the predictions come from that were wrong ? Ahh, people like you and Al Gore. Can you post one prediction of one scientist which has been proven true.
Please, do not cite any who told the world that the Earth was flat.
| quote | Originally posted by rinselberg:
Was that a prediction from scientists? Was ti published as a prediction in a peer-reviewed research report? Or was it just something that came out in a news media report, without being attributed to any one scientist or group of scientists? |
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Actually, it came from your mouth.
You can not even explain how Global Warming affects the different categories of hurricanes.
How does Global Warming make both droughts and floods ?[This message has been edited by cliffw (edited 11-12-2023).]
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rinselberg
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NOV 12, 12:05 PM
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"Exxon predicted global warming with remarkable accuracy years ago, study shows"
Catherine Clifford for CNBC; January 12, 2023.
https://www.cnbc.com/2023/0...-accuracy-study.html
Not Joe Exxon, but scientists that were working for what is now the Exxon Mobil Corporation.[This message has been edited by rinselberg (edited 11-12-2023).]
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rinselberg
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NOV 12, 01:32 PM
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| quote | | Over the past several decades, the Arctic has warmed four times faster than the rest of the world, a 2022 study showed. The fallout of that warming is mounting. For the first time on record, it rained at the summit of Greenland—roughly two miles above sea level during the summer of 2021. Earlier this week, scientists found that northern Greenland’s huge glaciers, which were long thought to be relatively stable, now pose potentially “dramatic” consequences for sea level rise. |
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"Thousands of Greenland’s glaciers are rapidly shrinking. Before-and-after photos reveal decades of change"
Rachel Ramirez for CNN; November 12, 2023.
https://www.cnn.com/2023/11...r-climate/index.html[This message has been edited by rinselberg (edited 11-12-2023).]
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olejoedad
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NOV 12, 02:23 PM
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The Exxon study isn't new news, or a recent headline.
The scientists were curious then, as they should be now.
I wonder how the folks way back when came up with the name 'Greenland'?[This message has been edited by olejoedad (edited 11-12-2023).]
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