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Valkrie9
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SEP 11, 06:17 AM
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Well, that was absurd.
Kamala lying right to America's face, she can't help it, it's what she does, a lying politician, surprise, surprise, not.
No rational person acquainted with reality could possibly vote for the grifting Dempartie Kommunist Klown Klan.
' How full of sheet is Kamala ? Right up to her neck ! '
Alinsky tactics in blatant view of all, 180 degrees from truth, on every dang topic, a total disassociation, incomprehensible disregard of sensibility.
Apparently, obviously, the Dempartie strategy is to repeat the ' Orange man bad ' rhetoric, hoping to con the voters into endorsing the ripoff party.
What they haven't yet discovered, is the illegal voters will overwhelmingly vote Trump, to preserve their new constitutional rights, having been denied them in their communist countries of origin.
525+ electoral votes, a rejection of the false party of pandering kommunist klowns, Kamala's Klowns.
Come November, a new hope for America, President D.J.Trump making America Great Again !
' Yay ! Trump ! '
' Yeah, Punt Kamala's Klowns clear across Pennsylvania Avenue, far, far out of the White House ! '
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ray b
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SEP 11, 09:48 AM
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cliffw
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SEP 11, 10:23 AM
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Because there is so much hard proof that racism and sexism exist. |
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You think color or sex matters because there is proof of it ? Colored people sold other colored people into slavery. Do you have a point.
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-Scientific studies showing that identical applications for housing or employment are treated differently if they have an "ethnic" name. |
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That's a damn shame. Why are ... wait. You would still be right if you had said "that identical applications for housing or employment are treated differently if they have an colored name." Pocahontas Elizibeth Warren owes her career to being an Indian.
Being White is not an ethnicity ? White is not a color ?
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-Multiple court cases finding proof that police use racial profiling and treat minorities differently. Many cases involving law enforcement admiting to using racial profiling. |
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That is bullzhit. Profiling is a valuable tool.
The Black population in America is 15% of the total population of America. Yet they commit 30% of the violent crimes.
According to the FBI Uniform Crime Reports, in 2008, black youths, who make up 16% of the youth population, accounted for 52% of juvenile violent crime arrests, including 58.5% of youth arrests for homicide and 67% for robbery.
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-The existence of groups who not only admit to their white supremist beliefs but actually brag about them. |
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As opposed to colored supremacist groups who admit to their colored supremacist beliefs ?
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-The popularity of racist content on-line where individuals can not be identified. |
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Such as DungD's location ?
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NewDustin
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SEP 11, 10:27 AM
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| quote | Originally posted by cliffw:
Wrong. The argument for DEI hiring is that outcomes for all colored people and genders should mirror the percentage of populations of all colored people and genders.
Correct. The argument for DEI hiring is that outcomes for all colored people and genders should mirror the percentage of populations of all colored people and genders.
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Equity in outcome is not a necessary part of any particular DEI policy. It's a popular way some groups have tried to address the problem but that's an entirely separate argument and including it as a premise for DEI policies at large would be self-referential and fallacious.
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Which is bullzhit ! Those groups are not equally capable of performing in the roles the rolls they have no experience in.
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I agree that Affirmative Action programs with race or gender quotas misunderstand the issue and often fail to set those they "help" up for success. I'm not defending or supporting those policies, I'm suggesting that policies that address the inequality in opportunities (think access to food/shelter/education for children) are not the same thing. I elaborate on this point a bit previously in this thread.
| quote | Originally posted by cliffw:
There it is ! If you believe that all gender and racial groups do not have the exact same access to opportunities you are racist and sexist.
There it is again. Racism and sexism. What makes you think color or sex matters ? What makes you think "we" assume? |
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You had to take some pretty large leaps and then still put words in my mouth in order conclude that I was saying any of this. You can believe that people in the US have equal opportunities without being racist. Similarly, you can believe that there are different capabilities between men and women without being sexist. If I wanted to say you were being racist or sexist I would have said "Hey Cliff, that's racist/sexist."
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cliffw
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SEP 11, 10:27 AM
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| quote | Originally posted by BingB:
Because there is so much hard proof that racism and sexism exist. |
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You think color or sex matters because there is proof of it ? Colored people sold other colored people into slavery. Do you have a point.
| quote | Originally posted by BingB:
-Scientific studies showing that identical applications for housing or employment are treated differently if they have an "ethnic" name. |
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That's a damn shame. Why are ... wait. You would still be right if you had said "that identical applications for housing or employment are treated differently if they have an colored name." Pocahontas Elizibeth Warren owes her career to being an Indian.
Being White is not an ethnicity ? White is not a color ?
| quote | Originally posted by BingB:
-Multiple court cases finding proof that police use racial profiling and treat minorities differently. Many cases involving law enforcement admiting to using racial profiling. |
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That is bullzhit. Profiling is a valuable tool.
The Black population in America is 15% of the total population of America. Yet they commit 30% of the violent crimes.
According to the FBI Uniform Crime Reports, in 2008, black youths, who make up 16% of the youth population, accounted for 52% of juvenile violent crime arrests, including 58.5% of youth arrests for homicide and 67% for robbery.
| quote | Originally posted by BingB:
-The existence of groups who not only admit to their white supremist beliefs but actually brag about them. |
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As opposed to colored supremacist groups who admit to their colored supremacist beliefs ?
| quote | Originally posted by BingB:
-The popularity of racist content on-line where individuals can not be identified. |
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Such as DungD's location ?
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NewDustin
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SEP 11, 10:57 AM
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| quote | Originally posted by cliffw:
Everyone does have the same level of opportunity to complete 5th grade and graduate high school.
The socio-economic differences are a direct result of making the most of opportunities that one facilitated. Sometimes doing better in life begins with how you parents did.
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These two sentences seem to contradict each other. If "doing better in life begins with how you parents did," how would "everyone have the same level of opportunity to complete 5th grade and graduate high school"? Some kids don't have reliable access to food, shelter, or safety; how are those not impediments to opportunity?
| quote | Originally posted by cliffw:
Race, gender, same prejudiced motive.
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I wasn't commenting on the rationale behind striking it down (which I largely agree with), I was commenting that they only struck down policies that set race-based quotas.
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What would be a realistic equity policy ? |
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I believe I've already answered that:
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I don't really disagree with any of that, and I don't think it needs to come from a place of envy. I do, however, know that some segments of society do not have the same access to food, housing, medical care, or education. I don't disagree with efforts to address those things. Access to free/optional breakfast/lunch programs at schools is one example of a realistic equity policy -we can solve food insecurity for students during the week. Access to quality education is another -one there are multiple fiscally conservative solutions to, btw. So for that, how about a charter system similar to what Todd advocates for? How would that not be an equity program?
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NewDustin
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SEP 11, 11:01 AM
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I submit this as evidence that AI art is true art.[This message has been edited by NewDustin (edited 09-11-2024).]
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Valkrie9
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SEP 11, 01:33 PM
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So, now you see what a lying fraud Kamala really is, blatant lies right into America's face.
Frame by frame, parse her every utterance, discover that she lied 90% of her time.
And that, children, is why she will lose in November, biglier, and uglier.
' Yay ! President D.J.Trump Makes America Great Again ! '
' Yeah, there's no room at the top for lying hoes. '
' Donald Trump is so too a dictator ! ' ~ That's a lie !
' Donald Trump colluded with Putin ' ~ That's a lie too !
' Donald Trump will win in Pennsylvania, Georgia, New York, Michigan ' ~ That's no lie !
lol
Rachel Maddow losing her sheet on msnbc, ' The end of our democracy ! '
Yes, yes, the dempartie relegated to the wilderness, for decades, Kamala's blatant lying triggering the rejection,
the expulsion from power, forever.
' She did it ! It's her fault !
Couldn't stop lying ! She lied more than Hillary ! She lied more than Biden_Joe !
She lied more than Al Gore ! She lied more than Wild Bill Clinton ! '
It's so pathetic.
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Patrick
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SEP 11, 02:02 PM
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I submit this as evidence that AI art is true art.
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And here's a big pussy. The cat's rather large as well.
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cliffw
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SEP 11, 02:43 PM
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| quote | Originally posted by NewDustin:
These two sentences seem to contradict each other. If "doing better in life begins with how you parents did," how would "everyone have the same level of opportunity to complete 5th grade and graduate high school"? Some kids don't have reliable access to food, shelter, or safety; how are those not impediments to opportunity?
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Public schools are free. Food is free for those that can not afford food. Shelter is also free for those that can not afford it. Safety ? Are any of us safe ?
I can do much to advance my lot in life. Which improves my available opportunities.
You are being disingenuous. Have you ever heard the phrase "you can be anything you want to be" ? Yes, there are those who claimed we will never land on the Moon.
Impediments to opportunity are self made. Opportunity are self made. Abraham Lincoln, as poor as it gets, became the President. He had to want to walk miles, to borrow books, and then return them. You don't think his "want to" payed more dividends ?
I am generous with help to those that help themselves. I learned that from those that helped me, and not others.
Again, you are being disingenuous. Those that are sowing the division of opportunity, never suggest that we provide more free food, free housing, or free safety ! They are planting sugar plumbs in the weak and lazy that it is not their fault, that they can not overcome.
You know nothing about me. I grew up with many circumstances that would cripple many from success. I even created and added my own negative challenges. I even planted some permanent black records on my history. Never graduated from High School.
I laugh at life and cuss myself for not doing as good as I could have. I am retired, have no money issues, (other than I want more). I own properties, some pretty damn cool vehicles and have owned many more. Some I destroyed out of stupidity.
Stupidity is the key to success. The key to opportunity.
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