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randye
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OCT 21, 09:39 PM
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"Floating Offshore Wind Shot"
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rinselberg
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OCT 22, 08:58 AM
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August 31, 2022.
Offshore wind power or offshore wind energy is the generation of electricity through wind farms in bodies of water, usually at sea. There are higher wind speeds offshore than on land, so offshore farms generate more electricity per amount of capacity installed. Offshore wind farms are also less controversial[citation needed] than those on land, as they have less impact on people and the landscape.
Unlike the typical use of the term "offshore" in the marine industry, offshore wind power includes inshore water areas such as lakes, fjords and sheltered coastal areas as well as deeper-water areas. Most offshore wind farms employ fixed-foundation wind turbines in relatively shallow water. As of 2020, floating wind turbines for deeper waters were in the early phase of development and deployment.
As of 2020, the total worldwide offshore wind power nameplate capacity was 35.3 gigawatt (GW). United Kingdom (29%), China (28%) and Germany (22%) account for more than 75% of the global installed capacity. The 1.2 GW Hornsea Project One in the United Kingdom was the world's largest offshore wind farm. Other projects in the planning stage include Dogger Bank in the United Kingdom at 4.8 GW, and Greater Changhua in Taiwan at 2.4 GW.
The cost of offshore has historically been higher than that of onshore, but costs decreased to $78/MWh in 2019. Offshore wind power in Europe became price-competitive with conventional power sources in 2017. Offshore wind generation grew at over 30 percent per year in the 2010s. As of 2020, offshore wind power had become a significant part of northern Europe power generation, though it remained less than 1 percent of overall world electricity generation. A big advantage of offshore wind power compared to onshore wind power is the higher capacity factor meaning that an installation of given nameplate capacity will produce more electricity at a site with more consistent and stronger wind which is usually found offshore and only at very few specific points onshore.
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olejoedad
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OCT 22, 09:27 AM
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I have traveled through portions of local states where wind farms exist.
They are a huge eyesore and spoil the natural beauty of the areas.
They are, in my eyes, an abomination to Nature.
They are intrusive.
The people I have spoke with that live near them hate them with a passion.
I would much prefer atomic energy or in some cases, solar farms.
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rinselberg
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OCT 22, 10:13 AM
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| quote | Originally posted by olejoedad:
I have traveled through portions of local states where wind farms exist.
They are a huge eyesore and spoil the natural beauty of the areas.
They are, in my eyes, an abomination to Nature. They are intrusive. The people I have spoke with that live near them hate them with a passion.
I would much prefer atomic energy or in some cases, solar farms. |
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How often do you travel 20 or more miles offshore? At that distance, even the largest wind turbines that have been installed to date are invisible from any location on the coastline.
I've been decorating (literally) the forum with presentations related to the DOE's "Floating Offshore Wind Shot" venture.
I like to provide contrast to the shallowness of the memes, the glib socio-political cartoons and just downright fatheaded rudeness that is on abundant display on this forum. it's largely an aesthetic "thing" for me. Even if no one else hardly takes a look, I like to do it..
We are living in a time of complexity in the energy sector. Many people are putting a positive value on a diversified energy production sector, partly because of the risks of putting all the eggs in just one or two baskets (so to speak), and partly because of the difficulty of achieving consensus about the best ways to produce energy.
I have sentimental reasons (frankly) for liking the idea of Offshore Wind. I look for presentations that seem persuasive to me that it's important and should be part of America's and the entire world's energy portfolio. But I only see it as among the better possibilities that are imaginable. I'm not "total wind". Oklahoma (for example) is far away from any shoreline, but if you postulate more long distance grid connectivity (which has its constituency) even Oklahoma could benefit form floating offshore wind installations in the Gulf of Mexico.[This message has been edited by rinselberg (edited 10-22-2022).]
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olejoedad
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OCT 22, 10:45 AM
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Floating wind turbines don't make much sense due to the amount of petroleum lubricants contained in the mechanisms.
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WonderBoy
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OCT 22, 12:42 PM
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| quote | Originally posted by rinselberg:
Harmless water vapor rises as clouds of steam from the cooling towers at the Palo Verde Nuclear Generating Station near Tonopah, Arizona.
"Nuclear Joe"
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Correct me if I'm wrong, but that steam is NOT harmless. It changes the natural weather patterns. You're making rain/floods/hurricanes/etc. else where. Areas that already have too much or none.
Geo-engineering.
Water cycle 101.
Have you ever seen a power plant, especially a nuclear one in full operation in different temperatures? Cloud makers.
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olejoedad
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OCT 22, 12:50 PM
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Water vapor is the biggest contributor to global warming.
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williegoat
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OCT 22, 01:07 PM
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| quote | Originally posted by olejoedad:
Floating wind turbines don't make much sense due to the amount of petroleum lubricants contained in the mechanisms.
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They should use natural, organic, biodegradable lubricants that won't upset the fragile, marine ecosystem, like maybe whale oil.
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WonderBoy
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OCT 22, 01:23 PM
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| quote | Originally posted by rinselberg:
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I've been decorating (literally) the forum with presentations related to the DOE's "Floating Offshore Wind Shot" venture.
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Spamming more like it.
Our Government is not a business nor a bank to give money (venture capitol) to companies that for the most part have enough profits to invest and construct these projects (if economicly/financially feasible) themselves. They (gov entities) only do it if it helps them financially as individuals through twisted commie/socialist authoritarian jackboot methods. Threats.
But then again since after reconstruction, crony-capitalism has been dominant in the USA. Just like education/religion/human living/family. They (gov) are there to wreck it all.
| quote | We are living in a time of complexity in the energy sector.
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Complexity since government involvement and tinkering for C-O-N-T-R-O-L-L.
| quote | I have sentimental reasons (frankly) for liking the idea of Offshore Wind.
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Feelings, whoa whoa whoa.
Nothing more than feeeeellings...
(Sing it with me now)
| quote | I'm not "total wind". Oklahoma (for example) is far away from any shoreline, but if you postulate more long distance grid connectivity (which has its constituency) even Oklahoma could benefit form floating offshore wind installations in the Gulf of Mexico.
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Then a cat (#) hurricane comes...
And California, earthquake.
Wonder how it would be if all mobile machines running on total green energy would react when a natural disaster strikes and takes out all the offshore wind farms in California... Barely any realtime energy production to charge all the resources that would be needed to rebuild.
- Boats wouldn't be able to charge
- Utility trucks wouldn't be able to charge
- Regular grid use would stop for residential and commercial
- Underground battery storage would drain quickly
- And more crap the elitists, who think can C-O-N-T-R-O-L-L nature, won't think of due to their stupidity and ignorance
- Loss of energy in the transfer from other independent grids
- Solar field destruction due to quakes also
The Transformers™®© franchise was correct. War for Energon-Cubes.
*Editted to add a couple more bullet points.[This message has been edited by WonderBoy (edited 10-22-2022).]
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williegoat
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OCT 22, 01:23 PM
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That Palo Verde Nuclear Power Plant is less than 40 miles from me. On most days, you can see those steam plumes from 20 miles away. It has been up and running for over 35 years and is perfectly harmless.
The steam plumes are mostly from atmospheric moisture, water that is already in the air. Remember that this is the desert. We are not about to let go of any water we don't have to.
The plant uses 75,000 acre/feet of water each year, most of which is reclaimed waste water.[This message has been edited by williegoat (edited 10-22-2022).]
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