 
     |
| School shootings... what changed? (Page 11/33) |
|
Patrick
|
MAY 26, 07:40 PM
|
|
| quote | Originally posted by williegoat:
Your post is predicated on a lie.
You ask: "Why are these school massacres only occurring in the US?"
These massacres do not happen only in the US.
|
|
Some progress. It's the word "only" that you're choked about. Okay, valid point.
How about this then?
"Why are 99% of school massacres occurring in the US?"
Oh sure, we can debate the percentage... but for whatever reason the overwhelming number of school massacres world wide are taking place in the US.
|
|
|
Patrick
|
MAY 26, 07:46 PM
|
|
| quote | Originally posted by blackrams:
Patrick,
My intent was not to attack or insult you. Just gave you my opinion of what you did.
|
|
Ron, I didn't interpret your post in any negative fashion. I was just genuinely interested to learn, if I could, how I "attacked" anything or anyone.
|
|
|
|
rinselberg
|
MAY 26, 07:50 PM
|
|
The 12:45 mark. 12 minutes and 45 seconds from the start of this video segment.
https://youtu.be/f1pd7FcQ7tI?t=765
OK, I'm not exactly trying to browbeat or even entice anyone to view it. But let me describe it.
First, he goes back to 1934, when Congress made sawed-off shotguns illegal, and made automatic weapons (like the Tommy guns wielded by the likes of the original Machine Gun Kelly) a restricted class of firearms, with special licensing requirements, in terms of how they could be sold to the general public.
Then he recounts the story of what Warren E. Burger, the Chief Justice of the United States Supreme Court from 1969 to 1986, said in 1991—five years after he retired from that office.
The former Chief Justice Burger said (in 1991) that if he were creating the Bill of Rights again, there would not be a Second Amendment.
The venerable MSNBC anchor observes that Burger was nominated by President Nixon to become the Chief Justice of the Supreme Court in 1969, and describes Burger as a "life-long Republican."
It includes the video of Burger making that statement.
"Keep it right here, if you appreciate this kind of 'sidebar' commentary."[This message has been edited by rinselberg (edited 05-26-2022).]
|
|
|
|
williegoat
|
MAY 26, 07:54 PM
|
|
| quote | Originally posted by Patrick:
Some progress. It's the word "only" that you're choked about. Okay, valid point.
How about this then?
"Why are 99% of school massacres occurring in the US?"
Oh sure, we can debate the percentage... but for whatever reason the overwhelming number of school massacres world wide are taking place in the US. |
|
"Why are 99% of school massacres occurring in the US?"
That is not progress. You are still lying.
That is the sorriest apology I have heard from anyone other than a leftist politician.
Oh, and leftist is a descriptor. It is "plain English".
|
|
|
|
82-T/A [At Work]
|
MAY 26, 08:00 PM
|
|
| quote | Originally posted by Patrick:
What are "American values"?
|
|
As a culture and as a national community, our values are clearly stated in the Declaration of Independence. They are explicitly defined in the articles within our Constitution of the United States and in the Bill of Rights (which is defined by the first 10 amendments to the U.S. Constitution).
These are literally our values. They are not arbitrary, and they are not defined by the changing wind of politics who whomever is in charge of the media, or whatever the kids think is cool. They are explicit, and they belong to all of us in the United States. Our rights and our values are inalienable, and they cannot be removed simply because someone believes it to be politically expeditious.
bDub, Rinse, Willie, etc... I did read the responses. I'll respond, just caught this in passing and had to respond to this.
|
|
|
Patrick
|
MAY 26, 08:02 PM
|
|
| quote | Originally posted by williegoat:
That is the sorriest apology I have heard...
|
|
"Apology"?  Who said anything about an apology?
|
|
|
|
maryjane
|
MAY 26, 08:04 PM
|
|
| quote | Originally posted by 2.5:
At least you are predictable Mr Toad  My videos differ,
|
|
No, they don't. They are, at base all the same. Parrotting someone else's thoughts and opinions and now, they are even telling you how to arrive at their thought processes.
You've been around PFF long enough to be able to go back into OT Archives and see what you were like when you used your own thought process and life experiences. You were much better informed then, much more interesting and much more articulate. I've womndered more than once, how did you ever function, much less survive in the pre Youtube era.[This message has been edited by maryjane (edited 05-26-2022).]
|
|
|
|
Patrick
|
MAY 26, 08:11 PM
|
|
| quote | Originally posted by 82-T/A [At Work]:
...our values are clearly stated in the Declaration of Independence.
|
|
So, American values have been carved in stone (so to speak) since 1776? Okay, fine.
I still can't help think then that American values may differ from Americans' values.[This message has been edited by Patrick (edited 05-26-2022).]
|
|
|
|
olejoedad
|
MAY 26, 08:17 PM
|
|
| quote | Originally posted by theBDub:
Most violent crime was declining for decades before the last few years. Guns haven't gotten easier to get. So it's not as simple as just "guns exist." Clearly there is a cultural/systemic issue at play. But that same access to social media, technology, education, mental health, culture, etc. is elsewhere, so it's not as simple as just "it's a culture problem" or "it's a mental health problem."
Here's the thing. We could probably drastically reduce mass shootings, or at least school shootings like this one, by limiting access to guns. That's a fairly simple deduction by looking at other countries. We're way out there. I do believe gun control would help resolve some of what we see...
Now that the Republicans are mad at me, here is where I piss off Democrats...
I don't think it's worth losing our second amendment rights over.
We shouldn't be so willing to give up our right to arm ourselves. I don't think there should be many restrictions on private property at all. Why shouldn't I be able to own a tank, as long as I don't kill someone with it? Obviously, it gets a little hairier when you ramp up to nuclear warheads, so there is a line somewhere, but in general we should not feel comfortable having a ton of rules around what weapons we can and can't own.
Practically? I guess something has to be in place. I am not that opinionated on what that small line should be, I just know I want it to be small. |
|
I see the first two paragraphs as contradictory.
Would you elucidate?
|
|
|
|
rinselberg
|
MAY 26, 10:24 PM
|
|
Adam Kinzinger explains to "Morning Joe" why he thinks firearms sales should be restricted to buyers that are at least 21 years of age, and he also discusses... well, you probably don't want to see or hear any of that. The part you might want to see (about firearms) is at the beginning of this 11-minute YouTube video segment. A theoretical possibility that you might want to see it. A possibility that is almost zero—but not quite. Quantum theory forbids that. There's at least a Planck length's possibility that you might want to see it. And that's as close to zero that you could ever be.
Air date: May 26, 2022.
https://youtu.be/qctZVvjN2Mc[This message has been edited by rinselberg (edited 05-26-2022).]
|
|
|
|