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82-T/A [At Work] FEB 13, 09:06 PM

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Originally posted by BingB:

I will admit that I was wrong on this one. My comment was based on the difference between "socially liberal and conservative" instead of "Republican and Democrat"

Research has consistently shown that people with higher cognitive ability tend to be more socially liberal (Deary et al., 2008a, Deary et al., 2008b, Heaven et al., 2011, Hodson and Busseri, 2012, Kanazawa, 2010, Pesta and McDaniel, 2014, Pesta et al., 2010, Schoon et al., 2010, Stankov, 2009) and less religious (Bell, 2002, Ganzach et al., 2013, Kanazawa, 2010, Lynn et al., 2009, Nyborg, 2009, Pesta and McDaniel, 2014, Zuckerman et al., 2013).



Most people are socially liberal. I'm socially liberal.



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Originally posted by BingB:So I see that you can't dispute this point.

But I don't know why my comments would make any difference. I am not a Democrat or a Republican.



There's nothing to dispute... it's your opinion. I have many reasons for my faith, which is totally rock solid and completely unshakeable. But that's me, I couldn't care less what your view of religion is... I just know that this is a very unappreciated view point among Hispanics, and I encourage you to let everyone know you're a Democrat just before you say those things...



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Originally posted by BingB:
This is just a complete lie.

Crime went down in most big cities in 2023 no matter which party was in control.

https://counciloncj.org/mid...r-2023-crime-trends/




LOL, did you even read your own link?
- There were 33.5% more motor vehicle thefts from January through June 2023 compared to the first half of 2022.
- The number of drug offenses increased by 1% over the same period.
- Domestic violence incidents increased by 0.3% in 11 cities during the first half of 2023 compared to the first half of 2022
- Violent crimes remain elevated compared to 2019, the year prior to the COVID pandemic and racial justice protests of 2020.
- There were 24% more homicides during the first half of 2023 than during the first half of 2019 in the study cities.

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BingB FEB 13, 09:22 PM

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Originally posted by 82-T/A [At Work]:

I just know that this is a very unappreciated view point among Hispanics, and I encourage you to let everyone know you're a Democrat just before you say those things...




I am not a democrat. But one of the biggest issues I have with the DNC is immigration. So potential immigrants might not like what I have to say.

But it cracks me up that you believe that Republicans are currently making all these immigrants feel so welcome that it will take Democrats offending them to turn them away.

BingB FEB 13, 09:32 PM

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Originally posted by 82-T/A [At Work]:
LOL, did you even read your own link?
- There were 33.5% more motor vehicle thefts from January through June 2023 compared to the first half of 2022.
- The number of drug offenses increased by 1% over the same period.
- Domestic violence incidents increased by 0.3% in 11 cities during the first half of 2023 compared to the first half of 2022
- Violent crimes remain elevated compared to 2019, the year prior to the COVID pandemic and racial justice protests of 2020.
- There were 24% more homicides during the first half of 2023 than during the first half of 2019 in the study cities.





Yes I did read it. Overall crime is down. There was a drop in 7 of the 10 categories. It proves exactly what I said it did.

You claimed crime rate was still going up in Democrat controlled cities and this proves that you were wrong.

Crime rate went up in cities no matter which party was majority and held control. Now the crime rate is dropping in cities no matter which side is majority and holds control. That is exactly what I have been saying all along.

82-T/A [At Work] FEB 14, 07:58 AM

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Originally posted by BingB:
Yes I did read it. Overall crime is down. There was a drop in 7 of the 10 categories. It proves exactly what I said it did.

You claimed crime rate was still going up in Democrat controlled cities and this proves that you were wrong.

Crime rate went up in cities no matter which party was majority and held control. Now the crime rate is dropping in cities no matter which side is majority and holds control. That is exactly what I have been saying all along.




Most violent crime went down across America, and has been for 20-30 years.

Other, non-violent crimes went through the roof, primarily in Democrat cities. That's what it said. You're cherry-picking stats... and this source is a not a good source to quote. It's ONLY talking about crime from 2022-2023. You said crime dropped everywhere in all big cities... as if to say that Biden's policies haven't caused any harm.

What your article REALLY says is... "This snapshot suggests that levels of nearly all offenses are lower, or have changed little, in the first six months of 2023 compared with the same period in 2022."

This does NOT mean that crime dropped substantially in all big cities. What it's saying, if you read it, is that crime basically stayed the same, but violent crime dropped slightly. If you read the websites reports for the other years... that is, 2020-2021, 2021-2022, it paints a totally different picture in these Democrat hell-holes.


2020-2021:
"Homicides rose sharply in 2020, and rates of aggravated assaults and gun assaults increased as well. Homicide rates were 30% higher than in 2019, an historic increase representing 1,268 more deaths in the sample of 34 cities than the year before."

2021-2022:
"The number of 2021 homicides in the cities studied was 5% greater than in 2020 – representing 218 additional murders in those cities – and 44% greater than in 2019, representing 1,298 additional lives lost."


And let's take a look at crime from two major Democrat-led cities...






Yes, 2020 was under Trump, yes it was under COVID, yes... Trump forced the lock down (per Democrat recommendation)... but these are DEMOCRAT cities... where they maintained the lock down well after, and comparing a "slight drop" in crime from 2022-2023... and touting it as a success is rather absurd. This is like trying to find an undigested corn nibblet in a huge pile of sh1t ... and saying it's good enough to eat.

More importantly though, is understand what DEMOCRATS were touting all during this time:
- Defund the Police
- Black Lives Matter (stoking the fire)
- Election of Soros-backed DAs starting FY 2019
- Constant court fights to prevent Trump from securing the border

... and Day 1 of Biden... massive influx of illegals, every day, continued defunding of police throughout Democrat cities, and passage of local laws that essentially legalize theft under $500 or under $1,000. Alternately, in Miami for example, crime went up in 2020 just as it did everywhere, but it dropped in 2021, dropped in 2022, and dropped again in 2023. Crime has dropped more than 70% since Republicans took over that city.


EDIT: Edited to make it nicer, and less mean...

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ray b FEB 14, 09:15 AM
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BingB FEB 16, 12:14 PM

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Originally posted by 82-T/A [At Work]:
Most violent crime went down across America, and has been for 20-30 years.

Other, non-violent crimes went through the roof, primarily in Democrat cities. That's what it said. You're cherry-picking stats... and this source is a not a good source to quote. It's ONLY talking about crime from 2022-2023. You said crime dropped everywhere in all big cities... as if to say that Biden's policies haven't caused any harm.

What your article REALLY says is... "This snapshot suggests that levels of nearly all offenses are lower, or have changed little, in the first six months of 2023 compared with the same period in 2022."

This does NOT mean that crime dropped substantially in all big cities. What it's saying, if you read it, is that crime basically stayed the same, but violent crime dropped slightly. If you read the websites reports for the other years... that is, 2020-2021, 2021-2022, it paints a totally different picture in these Democrat hell-holes.


2020-2021:
"Homicides rose sharply in 2020, and rates of aggravated assaults and gun assaults increased as well. Homicide rates were 30% higher than in 2019, an historic increase representing 1,268 more deaths in the sample of 34 cities than the year before."

2021-2022:
"The number of 2021 homicides in the cities studi




I still don't see what party affiliation has to do with any of this. The exact same rises and falls happened all across the country in BOTH Republican and Democrat areas.

BingB FEB 16, 12:19 PM

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Originally posted by 82-T/A [At Work]:
And let's take a look at crime from two major Democrat-led cities...




Why just two democrat cities. Why not all cities including both Republican or Democrat.

Or better yet why not look at the areas with the LOWEST crime rate in the country. Ridgefield, Connecticut, Bergenfield, New Jersey, and Buckingham Township, Pennsylvania all boast a crime rate of 0, And all are controlled by DEMOCRATS.


If I wanted to cherry-pick I could do that, but that is not the proper way to look at the numbers.

82-T/A [At Work] FEB 17, 06:41 PM

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Originally posted by BingB:

I still don't see what party affiliation has to do with any of this. The exact same rises and falls happened all across the country in BOTH Republican and Democrat areas.




You keep saying this, I keep posting links proving you wrong. I don't know what else to tell you... either you aren't reading properly, or these facts really bother you.


New York:





Miami:


BingB FEB 17, 06:44 PM

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Originally posted by 82-T/A [At Work]:
You keep saying this, I keep posting links proving you wrong. I don't know what else to tell you... either you aren't reading properly, or these facts really bother you.




No. You keep posting examples of only two cities.

Facts don't bother me at all. Two or three cities does not prove anything. I just posted proof that the three safest places in the country (0% crime rate) are all controlled by democrats, but I am not dense enough to try to claim this proves that crime rate is based on political party control.

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82-T/A [At Work] FEB 18, 11:20 AM

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Originally posted by BingB:
No. You keep posting examples of only two cities.

Facts don't bother me at all. Two or three cities does not prove anything. I just posted proof that the three safest places in the country (0% crime rate) are all controlled by democrats, but I am not dense enough to try to claim this proves that crime rate is based on political party control.





I've posted numerous links that defiantly and definitively state that crime is committed overwhelmingly by those who lean left or are in fact actually registered Democrat.

For most here, they can see you simply don't like what's being presented because it goes against your narrative. Sorry... this is a "you" problem, not a me problem. Take care.