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| Is it time to replace Electoral College with popular vote? (Page 10/13) |
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rinselberg
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SEP 08, 09:18 AM
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| quote | Originally posted by olejoedad:
Hmmm, I don't see any links.
Where are the links?
I've been told there are always links to back up claims..... |
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"Play dumb, whydoncha..."
If you're not aware of the allegations about Trump's criminal possession and brazen brandishing of a classified Defense Department document at his Bedminster, NJ residence, it's because you've been hiding from the news reports.
These are allegations that Jack Smith put into writing as part of the superseding indictments against Donald Trump in the Mar-a-Lago documents case.
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olejoedad
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SEP 08, 09:36 AM
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I am aware of allegations, and I know what the word means.
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olejoedad
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SEP 08, 09:38 AM
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I was told that links are ALWAYS posted to back up claims.
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82-T/A [At Work]
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SEP 08, 10:03 AM
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| quote | Originally posted by fredtoast:
There is zero "deflection". I was responding directly to Willie's allegations that the charges against Trump were "imaginary".
I guess "deflection" is another one of those words that you don't really know the meaning of. |
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Hahaha Fred, you picked that ONE thing out, because it's the ONLY thing you *THINK* that you have an angle with to "win" because it has yet to be resolved.
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cliffw
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SEP 08, 10:18 AM
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| quote | Originally posted by rinselberg:
I am thinking that MAYBE the reasons for having the Electoral College have become moot, because of the ways that the U.S. has changed since the Electoral system was adopted.
Changes:
- Satellite and cable TV
- Internet and World Wide Web
- Cell phones
- Facebook, Twitter and other social networking venues
- Global reach of remote video conferencing
- Automobiles and Interstate Highways
- Passenger Airlines from coast to coast and everywhere in between
- More mobile population, more people relocating between cities, suburbs, rural areas and states
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rinselberg, what do any of those have to do with voting or the Electoral College ?
| quote | Originally posted by olejoedad:
The individual States are responsible as to how the Electoral votes from their districts are divided. Most States have opted for the 'all in' approach only two have divided their votes to reflect the districts.
I think the 'all in' approach is antiquated and excludes the voters in non-urban areas.
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Ding ding ding, we have a winner.
| quote | Originally posted by Doug85GT:
Why don't we eliminate states, counties, and city governments. We will just have one government for the whole country. Everything will be decided by popular vote. If the major cities all decide that they should get free food from the farmers, tough, majority rule. When the major cities decide that we should have free gasoline and cable TV, so be it. Let's have a pure democracy! |
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Ding ding ding, we have a loser. winner. Nice sarcasm Doug. We can eliminate national borders too. One World Order !
| quote | Originally posted by cliffw:
Again, I ask, what do you think the First Amendment means ? |
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| quote | Originally posted by fredtoast:
This just is not true anymore because even the most red states have 40% or more Democratic voters. the days of certain states being 100% in favor of a certain position are long gone.
Land mass should not control voting value. One person = one vote. People who live in less populated states should not have votes worht more that people in highly populated states. |
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My oh my, .
How much 'wrong' can you put into a post ?
The days of certain states being 100% in favor of a certain position are long gone ? Tell us brainiac, when did they ever exist ?
One person = one vote has always existed within the individual States ! As it does today. You have not demonstrated you are a student of history. Do you even understand the concept of "the United States" ? Do you understand the reasoning for the American Revolution ?
Again, I ask you, what do you think the First Amendment means ?
| quote | Originally posted by fredtoast:
A Constitutional Republic is a democracy, and since we can completely change anything in the Constitution, we don't live in a Constitutional Republic.
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Where do we live ? You say a Constitutional Republic is a democracy, and then say we don't live in a Constitutional Republic democracy.
| quote | Originally posted by fredtoast:
I did not "choose to overlook" anything. I just don't believe the votes of people who live in the country should count more than the votes of the people who live in the city.
one person = one vote. |
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Again I ask what do you think the First Amendment means ?
| quote | Originally posted by fredtoast:
And as I pointed out before. Even the most red/rural state still only has about 40% democrats. When the Constitution was drafted a southern state might be 90% agricultural. That just does not exist any more. Even farm states have large industries and businesses that have nothing to do with agriculture. |
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Are you really trying to say rural areas should produce agricultural for cities which want to rule them, :crazy : ?
| quote | Originally posted by RayOtton:
Hey how about just the opposite?
A true confederation of states.
Do away with the Federal government, except for defense and military treaties. Everyone throws the same % of $ into the pot for mutual protection.
Then let the states figure the rest out for themselves. Education, economy, infrastructure, healthcare, the works.
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I like it ! The general welfare of the united states becomes the general welfare of the State.
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cliffw
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SEP 08, 10:22 AM
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| quote | Originally posted by fredtoast:
There is zero "deflection". I was responding directly to Willie's allegations that the charges against Trump were "imaginary". |
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Allegations means guilty ? Just like Russian collusion ?
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fredtoast
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SEP 08, 10:57 AM
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| quote | Originally posted by olejoedad:
I was told that links are ALWAYS posted to back up claims. |
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You were told wrong.
Links are only required when someone claims that what has been posted is false.
So just tell me the ones you are completely ignorant of and I will happily educate you.[This message has been edited by fredtoast (edited 09-08-2023).]
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fredtoast
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SEP 08, 11:01 AM
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| quote | Originally posted by cliffw:
Allegations means guilty ? Just like Russian collusion ? |
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I never said that. I just said that the allegations were not "imaginary". They are based on evidence that exists.
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fredtoast
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SEP 08, 11:05 AM
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| quote | Originally posted by cliffw:
The days of certain states being 100% in favor of a certain position are long gone ? Tell us brainiac, when did they ever exist ?
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When our constitution was drafted.
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cliffw
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SEP 08, 11:05 AM
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| quote | Originally posted by fredtoast:
I never said that. I just said that the allegations were not "imaginary". They are based on evidence that exists.
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Are they ?
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