You dont have feee speech if you can be arrested for jokes. (Page 10/18)
MidEngineManiac AUG 11, 11:08 AM

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Originally posted by Patrick:

I've seen variations of this posted here numerous times, as if it somehow clarifies what the benefit of minority rule is.

The only people benefiting from minority rule are those who currently find themselves in a favorable societal position which can only be maintained through unfair representation in governmental affairs. So sure, I understand why these particular people would strive to maintain the status quo... but let's not pretend this is equatable for all. To suggest that the rights of a few have more weight than the rights of the many is... is... let me introduce you to the "royal" families of Europe. I thought Americans wished to distance themselves from this nonsense.




Your looking at the whole concept wrong.

The rights of the few (free speech, thought, belief, self-defence, ect) are PROTECTED FROM the many. It's what stop us from becoming a theocracy or califate. Hasnt worked so well at defending us from becoming a leftist-marxist sheethole, though.

Personally, I have no use for "democracy" or "democratic society" as a system whatsoever. It works fine up to the family/small group with common interests level and after that it falls apart.

Opppssss, alomst forgot the obligatory...

Fuk ya and fuk yer vote. And fuk Trudeau too !

[This message has been edited by MidEngineManiac (edited 08-11-2023).]

fredtoast AUG 11, 12:03 PM

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Originally posted by 82-T/A [At Work]:
I think you're looking at it wrong. In the United States, the point of the government is not to take care of the people. It's to do the absolute minimum and stay out of the way..




If the government is not here to take care of the people then who does it serve?

Your vague, subjective definitions are meaningless. You are just parroting speaking points fed to you by right-wing media. For example many people agree with what you say, but they define "absolute minimum" much differently.
MidEngineManiac AUG 11, 12:52 PM

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Originally posted by fredtoast:
If the government is not here to take care of the people then who does it serve?

Your vague, subjective definitions are meaningless. You are just parroting speaking points fed to you by right-wing media. For example many people agree with what you say, but they define "absolute minimum" much differently.



"The Government" (all of them) these days are much like a mugger with a heart.

After he stabs and robs you, he offers a bandage for the wound.......and somehow you are supposed to be grateful for the bandage.

HUH ?
ray b AUG 11, 12:59 PM

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Originally posted by 82-T/A [At Work]:
I think you're looking at it wrong. In the United States, the point of the government is not to take care of the people. It's to do the absolute minimum and stay out of the way. That's essentially what the point of our government is. The "Republic" is to ensure that the MINORITY of states, cannot impose their will on the MAJORITY of states. Does this make sense? If 40 states believe abortion is wrong, but 10 states believe it's right... well, those 10 states cannot force those other 40 to allow it. Thus, you have what we have now... which is where the states decide independently.

You are certainly welcome to believe in any form of government you want, but this is the government that WE have chosen, and it's been pretty successful. And with you poking a judgemental finger at my dad, and disparaging my favorite Constitution, I will remind you that 90% of Canada's population sits within 100 miles of the border of the United States. So we definitely did something right.



EXACTLY HOW HAITI ''WORKS''
OR MANY COUNTRY'S IN AFRICA
STEAL ALL YOU CAN
NO GOV TO CARE

WE CAN DO BETTER THEN THE Gop
fredtoast AUG 11, 01:34 PM

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Originally posted by MidEngineManiac:


"The Government" (all of them) these days are much like a mugger with a heart.

After he stabs and robs you, he offers a bandage for the wound.......and somehow you are supposed to be grateful for the bandage.

HUH ?




History and facts prove that you are wrong.

Without government protection individuals and the environment were exploited and subjugated by corporate powers. The government is the only protection we have from the corporate "muggers".
Patrick AUG 11, 06:08 PM

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Originally posted by 82-T/A [At Work]:

And with you poking a judgemental finger at my dad...



You have got to be kidding me!


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Originally posted by 82-T/A [At Work]:

...and disparaging my favorite Constitution



What, I'm not allowed to politely express an opinion on the American constitution in the political section of this forum?


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Originally posted by 82-T/A [At Work]:

I will remind you that 90% of Canada's population sits within 100 miles of the border of the United States. So we definitely did something right.



You trying to take credit now for setting the climate? What makes more sense... the majority of Canadians living within 100 miles of our southern border... or inhabiting the arctic regions in the north?

Todd, I think you need a break from the forum. It appears to me that fredtoast has gotten into your head, and you're not handling it well.
PhatMax AUG 11, 07:47 PM
[QUOTE]Originally posted by fredtoast:
If the government is not here to take care of the people then who does it serve?

Tell me that this is sarcasm…. I do not want the guy to “take care of” me. They did such a wonderful job with the covid **** show….right ?
Yeah, they took care of people….the way the mob does.

PhatMax AUG 11, 07:50 PM
I’m convinced now that Fred is a plant on this forum to stir up crap….
rinselberg AUG 11, 08:44 PM

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Originally posted by PhatMax:
I’m convinced now that Fred is a plant on this forum to stir up crap….



"Planted" by whom or what..? And for what purpose?

It's beyond my imagination that any Democratic Party-aligned organization or office—I say "Democratic Party," just because I am trying to get my head around what PhatMax seems to be saying—would have any awareness of Pennock's Fiero Forum.

So I can't imagine a rational motivation for anyone or any group to put forward even the small amount of effort to create a "plant" on this forum.
Patrick AUG 11, 08:53 PM

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Originally posted by rinselberg:

So I can't imagine a rational motivation for anyone or any group to put forward even the small amount of effort to create a "plant" on this forum.



Hey, there's a good half-dozen people in P&R to influence! lol