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rinselberg
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MAR 04, 02:29 AM
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Patrick
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MAR 04, 03:08 AM
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I owned a home for 18 years which had a gas stove. I hated that stove. Sure, the heat was fast compared to a conventional electric stove... but I was always aware that it "stunk". I much prefer an electric stove... and the (relatively) new induction cooktops are fantastic!
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rinselberg
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MAR 07, 05:41 PM
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According to the Grist (not to be confused with former Florida Governor Charlie Crist) Eugene Residents For Energy Choice is an "astroturf" grass-roots style campaign, organized by Oregon's largest natural gas utility. The petition campaign is aimed at stopping a new Eugene city ordinance that mandates that newly constructed residential buildings cannot be set up with gas-fired kitchen ranges or other home appliances, and cannot be configured with gas-fired furnaces and air conditioners or other gas energy operated HVAC.
"A gas utility’s astroturf campaign threatens Oregon’s first electrification ordinance"
Joseph Winters for Grist; March 7, 2023.
https://grist.org/accountab...ification-ordinance/
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Patrick
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MAR 07, 06:05 PM
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| quote | Originally posted by rinselberg:
The petition campaign is aimed at stopping a new Eugene city ordinance that mandates that newly constructed residential buildings cannot be set up with gas-fired kitchen ranges or other home appliances, and cannot be configured with gas-fired furnaces and air conditioners or other gas energy operated HVAC.
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As much as I might agree that gas fired stoves and ranges are a potential health hazard (due to basically no outside venting), I can't say I agree with disallowing gas-fired furnaces, hot water tanks, fireplaces etc which do have proper venting. Seems like an overreaction to me.[This message has been edited by Patrick (edited 03-07-2023).]
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Patrick
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MAR 07, 06:22 PM
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| quote | Originally posted by jdv:
In a enclosed warehouse what type of forklift do they use?
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Battery powered forklifts have been around since at least 1942.
Forklift History: The Complete Story
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Wichita
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MAR 07, 08:15 PM
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Ban gas stoves domestically so it can be liquidfied and given to friends of Ukraine.
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rinselberg
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MAR 07, 10:07 PM
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| quote | Originally posted by Patrick:
As much as I might agree that gas fired stoves and ranges are a potential health hazard (due to basically no outside venting), I can't say I agree with disallowing gas-fired furnaces, hot water tanks, fireplaces etc which do have proper venting. Seems like an overreaction to me. |
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| quote | The city council in Eugene, Oregon, earlier this month voted 5 to 3 to phase out fossil fuels from new homes, making Eugene the first city in the state to pass such a policy.
The ordinance bans gas appliances in new residential buildings that have fewer than four stories, requiring that they instead be outfitted with electric ranges and heating systems. It’s intended to advance Eugene’s climate action plan, which aims to halve fossil fuel use in the city by 2030, compared to a 2010 baseline. |
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"Oregon city approves natural gas ban"
Joseph Winters for Grist; February 15, 2023.
https://grist.org/beacon/or...ves-natural-gas-ban/
The people who are supporting this city ordinance are expressing concerns about the climate impacts of natural gas fuel (greenhouse gas emissions) and also the carcinogens and respiratory system irritants that are emitted when natural gas is burned for energy. That second "gotcha" is particularly germane to gas-fired cooking ranges and ovens, for those who respect the research reports that I have posted in this thread.[This message has been edited by rinselberg (edited 03-07-2023).]
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Patrick
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MAR 07, 10:25 PM
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| quote | Originally posted by rinselberg:
The people who are supporting this city ordinance are expressing concerns about the climate impacts of natural gas fuel (greenhouse gas emissions) and also the carcinogens and respiratory system irritants that are emitted when natural gas is burned for energy.
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My personal feelings are that the "climate impacts" of gas-fired furnaces, fireplaces etc are minimal, but that "respiratory system irritants" are indeed an actual concern in regards to gas stoves and ranges.
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rinselberg
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MAR 07, 10:31 PM
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| quote | Originally posted by Wichita:
Ban gas stoves domestically so it can be liquidfied and given to friends of Ukraine.
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I guess on some "years into the future" timeline, the phaseout of gas cooking ranges in the U.S. could eventually have the effect of freeing up a small but measurable amount of the U.S. natural gas inventory that could be exported from the U.S. to Ukraine.
But most of the gas that is burned for home energy in the U.S. is for HVAC, not for cooking ranges.
It's beyond ludicrous to suggest that the U.S. Consumer Product Safety Commission or any of the advocacy groups are interested in this because they see it as a way to help Ukraine.
"The stupid, it burns..."[This message has been edited by rinselberg (edited 03-07-2023).]
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rinselberg
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MAR 16, 01:20 AM
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"California's climate dreams won't come true without major change"
| quote | | The state's climate plan has details about how to reduce emissions from residents but does very little to compel the biggest polluters to change |
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| quote | In the months since California announced its new plan for achieving carbon neutrality by 2045, much of the media attention has, unsurprisingly, focused on the aspects that will directly affect consumers, including a torrent of articles about the state’s plan to phase out gas stoves and heaters.
But over the past two decades, California’s residential sector was responsible for just 8% of the state’s total greenhouse gas emissions. In contrast, industrial polluters—primarily gas power plants, oil refineries and cement factories—were responsible for nearly three times that much, making them the second-largest source of carbon emissions after transportation. And while the state has an extremely lucid plan for curbing the climate impacts of residential appliances, its plan for dealing with industrial sources is much less specific—and relies partly, if vaguely, on the use of unproven technologies. |
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This is a "stand out" article—and a long one.
Alec Regimbal for SFGATE; March 14, 2023.
https://www.sfgate.com/poli...-issues-17836696.php[This message has been edited by rinselberg (edited 03-16-2023).]
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