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| Good Fiero info here (after the 1st 3 posts, lol!) from an unexpected source. (Page 1/2) |
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David Hambleton
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AUG 19, 12:47 PM
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cvxjet
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AUG 19, 07:30 PM
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It is frustrating that the first posters were of the "I never knew anything about the Fiero except what the mainstream media told me" variety. "They all catch fire, they were all garbage, worst car ever made!"
Arrrgggggg...I have tried to get my "The Truth about Fieros" article published but Hagerty did not even send a message back.......
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David Hambleton
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AUG 19, 07:35 PM
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Another unexpected event: It looks like our forum members CVXJET and Raydar joined AACA to post in the forum link above (see pg 2). 
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David Hambleton
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AUG 19, 07:38 PM
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| quote | Originally posted by cvxjet:
It is frustrating that the first posters were of the "I never knew anything about the Fiero except what the mainstream media told me" variety. "They all catch fire, they were all garbage, worst car ever made!"
Arrrgggggg...I have tried to get my "The Truth about Fieros" article published but Hagerty did not even send a message back....... |
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Does anyone here have a connection to Larry Webster at Hagerty they can use to get some legit Fiero exposure in the magazine?
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cvxjet
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AUG 20, 12:03 AM
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I sent Larry Webster my article and never heard back...I might PO some former R&T and C&D writers off because I allude to the fact that the magazines were possibly being PAID by Toyota at the time to pump up the MR2 (A very good car) while denigrating the Fiero.
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cliffw
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AUG 20, 09:29 AM
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God post / topic David.
| quote | Originally posted by cvxjet:
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No, it's only the green ones, . Not all Fieros, all but mine, .
I read the article, and all of this thread. Nowhere is mentioned that the 84's had a magnesium vent grill above the engine. Am I wrong about magnesium vent grills,  ?
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wftb
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AUG 20, 10:26 AM
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I read most of the posts on the article and it was entertaining reading. But one thing people ought to remember is that the main cause of the Fiero's bad reputation was the GM practise of going in to full denial/blame the owner mode. The only cars they ever repaired were the ones that caught fire, and they did this under warranty. A recall consisting of removing some parts and putting stickers on to admonish what GM considered "bad owners" is not much of a recall.You would have to explain to me how being a quart or 2 low is going to cause a connecting rod to snap. The 84's were full of cracked connecting rods,they came from the factory like that because of poor quality control. I only changed the oil twice on the 85 4 cylinder I had for about 5 years and I am pretty sure it held more than 3 quarts of oil in total. And it didn't burn oil so it never got low.
How low does the oil have to be before the pump cannot circulate it through the engine? Up until about 10 years ago I was still reading about 84's breaking connecting rods here on the forum. If there werent so few of them still on the road, I am sure we would still be hearing about connecting rods going threw the block.
Magazines/internet sites can publish anything they want to. If they choose not to publish an article for any reason they can and will do that too. It is not worth getting upset about. ------------------
86 GT built 2.2 ecotec turbo
rear SLA suspension
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cvxjet
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AUG 20, 11:32 AM
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| quote | Originally posted by cliffw:
God post / topic David.
No, it's only the green ones, . Not all Fieros, all but mine, .
I read the article, and all of this thread. Nowhere is mentioned that the 84's had a magnesium vent grill above the engine. Am I wrong about magnesium vent grills, ?
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Yes, the 84 decklid grill was magnesium...But it takes a very hot fire to ignite that magnesium...Believe it or not, they now have a >>>Non-Flammable<<< Magnesium alloy...They can now make wheels and intake manifolds and such even lighter with it- so far noone seems to be doing it (At least at my price-point!)
From what I have heard/read, there were only 5000 1984 Fieros that had the bad rods- the rest of the 84s have good rods that will not break any more often than any other car's...
The fire problem was a combination of things; 1) 5000 sets of bad rods, 2) making the oil pan small which led to less oil to run thru the engine, 3) a miss-marked dipstick- Starting at 3 quarts, you could let it get low (Say one quart) and that left 2 quarts total- not just a problem of whether the pickup can get it, but you simply don't have enough oil at highish RPM to >>Fill the valve cover<< (A lot of engines have poor drain-back from the heads) and still have oil to circulate- especially if you are cranking thru turns!
GM did take their time addressing the problem, but then the media ran it into the ground...Just like the other >>>CAR THAT BURNED EVERY TIME TO THE GROUND!!!!!!<<<, the Ford Pinto...To listen to the media, every Pinto that had a BICYCLE bump it's rear bumper BURST into flames......Yet the Pinto (And the Fiero) have a better fire record than the average for all cars....(Also, remember the GM Truck Fuel tank location controversy? GM put the tanks on the outside of the frame rail, which led to some that were T-boned catching fire from ruptured tanks- the media raked GM over the coals over that- yet the truck met all safety requirements that were in place at the time...)[This message has been edited by cvxjet (edited 08-20-2019).]
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AUG 20, 11:36 AM
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Well done whomever user PVPPI is.
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css9450
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AUG 20, 12:40 PM
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| quote | Originally posted by cvxjet:
Also, remember the GM Truck Fuel tank location controversy? GM put the tanks on the outside of the frame rail, which led to some that were T-boned catching fire from ruptured tanks- the media raked GM over the coals over that- yet the truck met all safety requirements that were in place at the time...
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Specifically, Dateline NBC rigged the trucks with explosives to make them much more dramatic when they staged crashes for the camera.
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