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olejoedad MAY 23, 12:14 AM
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paulsobj MAY 27, 02:19 AM
I have just a small update today. The clutch came in from SPEC. I ordered the SCS883F which should be the part number for the 3+ with extra clamp load. SPEC sent me an invoice for $100 less then what I anticipated and with no clamp load added. I emailed them with no response. So i am going to see if the regular 3+ part #SC883F will fit. If not I will have a chat with them. I wont find out until the fall when I actually start the build. Believe it or not, this should be the most expensive part on the whole build $500 + $30 s&h.

EDIT next time order through LMPerformance It would have been $450 + free s&h. Looks like I should have read another page of FieroGuru's build.

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paulsobj JUN 07, 03:45 AM
I got a few more parts ordered. I have been doing some research on what I want to do with the suspension since my last update.

I have decided to try to get some stock C5 "Wagon Wheel" rims in it. They seem to be the redheaded child to most vette owners. That means readily available and cheap. I found one front and one rear for $50 and the guy delivered them. So now I can test fit before I commit. The rims are 17x8.5 58mm offset and 18x9.5 65mm offset. Not sure how hard it is going to be to fit them in the car.



I know I need to make adjustments to the rear suspension. I ordered an adjustable rod end lateral links from summit $150. I hope that the 7" and 8" swaged tubes were the correct size. If I need to get a 6" it will only cost me $26 + S&H

I haven't pulled the trigger on the coil-overs yet. I plan on getting KYB GR-2 234005 Struts $49 ea and modifying them for 10" 300# QA1 Coil-overs part # QA1-10HT300 $47 ea.




I also need the sleeves #AAF-ALL64146 $37 ea. I know I have heard of better deals on the sleeves but most links are dead or I can't find the part. If anyone knows of affordable sleeves let me know. I don't want el cheapo ones though.



Spring isolators # ENS-9-6118R $9 pr.



I plan on relocating the tops of the struts inboard as needed. Based off Fierogurus information of handling improvements I am going to change the lateral links. I am going to make lateral link relocation brackets to drop the outboard and raise the inboard a little. I am going to order Fierogurus 13" Brake kit $640 for the slotted/drilled.

One thing that I need to address is the bolt pattern. The Fiero has a 5x100 and the C5 has 5x120.7 (4.75"). I can get an adapter but that will push the rim outboard .75-1.5" depending on the adapter I get. I also can try to do the S10 hub with new outer CV shaft ends because of different spline counts. This option requires lots of time machining and more money in parts. I have heard that an 88 Boni is easier and same spline count. I am not sure I will make this decision until I see how the rims fit and what room I have to play with.

Brian you are moving stuff around a lot and what else does that affect? Well I will also most likely have to get shorter CV shafts. I have done zero research on this part. But it can't be that hard...we will find out later in this thread in a few months.

PS My dad might bring my other Fiero to the MFF summer sizzle. It will be the only one with a Virginia Fiero Association sticker on the back.

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85sliverGT JUN 07, 05:58 PM
Brian - It was cool meeting your dad last week when he picked up the gauge, you guys have a lot of cool projects! I look forward to meeting you as well when you get back.

Your coil-over plans look good to me, I'm running the exact same setup.

-Blake

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paulsobj NOV 19, 01:12 PM
Well I have been silent for awhile. I just finished moving from Hawaii to Minnesota. Then I had a few months to get a lot of work done at my shop before winter hit. I was lucky that fall here was the best I have ever had.

Since my last post I bought two gauges out of early 90's Sunbird turbo's. I will look for a picture to post later. I then started to pull the engine out of the Grand Prix a few days ago.



It was very easy to get out actually. I am going to get it on an engine stand and then I think I will sell the GP as a parts car. It has a lot of hard(ish) to find 40th anniversary badges and interior. I am keeping the Engine and all accessories, PCM, Exhaust flange, engine wiring harness. I am wondering if anyone has taken the heads up display and how hard it is to transfer to a Fiero? I will end up throwing away the PS, AC and emissions.

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paulsobj NOV 21, 11:14 PM
I got a few more things done this weekend. Even with some wicked wind that took out a section on my building.



I noticed that the SC pulley looks like a ZZP. I'm not sure of the size or how to measure it. I planned on a 3.5 pulley for the build.



I am going to sell the trans 160K IIRC



I had an extra cradle from the red 88 GT that my dad started to clean and he is contimplaiting a few ideas on how to mount it. We might do a tubular frame still. That might have to wait until next winter or summer.



The previous owner decided to mix up the alternator bolts and used a LONG one and punched a hole in the valve cover.



Until next weekend this is how it sits. I am thinking of tearing it down pretty far. The massive amount clues I found led me to believe the car has a case of neglect.

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DotTC NOV 22, 03:38 AM

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Originally posted by solotwo:

Nice Garage!



I want a shop that size. I think I could be happy in it.

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1986 Fiero.. WorkInProgress.. :

qwikgta NOV 22, 07:17 PM
Hey is that a "Virginia Fiero Association" sticker on that GT?

Good luck with the build, i'll be watching this thread.

Rob
paulsobj NOV 22, 10:09 PM
Rob,

Yes it is! I got that at my first meeting with the club. I kept it on the car as it is great quality and looks awesome. You might remember that car it was 00355 VIN and had some 87 GT parts on it from the factory.


I picked up a F23 (Sunfire) trans today. The Sunfire has the correct bolt pattern for the 3800 but not the best gearing. You can see the differences sitting next to the Cobalt trans. If you read this build you know I am taking the gears from the Cobalt and putting them in the case of the Sunfire trans. I am going to check with a trans shop to see the cost for them to do it. I am limited on time otherwise I would do it. But depending on cost and if they will even do it, I might end up changing the case myself. I will document accordingly, I know a few people are interested in doing it too.



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paulsobj NOV 24, 12:15 AM
I was able to tear down the block some more today. I ran out of time and didn't want to start the short block unless I was able to finish. I will get the short block marked and dismantled Friday. I also made a mess when my oil catch fell off the engine stand cross bar.




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