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Raydar
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NOV 08, 08:19 PM
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| quote | Originally posted by hyperv6:
Hi
Here is my case with all my emblems. The Chrome and color are the 1990 emblems. The black one on the left side is the 1990 GT emblem.
The GT emblem uses the new Pontiac letter style. The standard has a different style.
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So neither the font, or the image, of this emblem, are lifted from a GM design.
 [This message has been edited by Raydar (edited 11-08-2021).]
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reinhart
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NOV 09, 04:56 AM
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Thanks. This proved one of my points. The word "Fiero" isn't copyrightable in and of itself. There's 17 businesses that have it copyrighted in their name such as "Fiero Mexican Street Food".
GM doesn't own a common usage word. It'd be like me applying for a copyright on the word "Hello". Every time you use the word "hello" you have to pay me royalties? Silly. Fiero is a common Italian word. It's no more copyrightable than the word "Hello" is. GM didn't invent the word and thus has no claim to it.
GM may have a copyright on a logo they designed but there's no copyright on the word Fiero that I can see. Now some have claimed that GM has tried to claim they have ownership of the Fiero font. However, I'd like to see where they have filed for a copyright on that. If they haven't then the word "Fiero" in the "Fiero font" is usable by the public.
I really think the only leg GM has to stand on is the Fiero logo, which they obviously designed. But nothing else that I can see. They don't even own the word "Pontiac" FYI. It predates the company and is named for the Indians and the city. Thus "Pontiac" "Fiero" is not copyrighted either. If anything the Pontiac Indians could sue GM for using their name.
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jjd2296
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NOV 09, 09:01 AM
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| quote | Originally posted by reinhart:
GM doesn't own a common usage word. It'd be like me applying for a copyright on the word "Hello". Every time you use the word "hello" you have to pay me royalties? Silly. Fiero is a common Italian word. It's no more copyrightable than the word "Hello" is. GM didn't invent the word and thus has no claim to it.
GM may have a copyright on a logo they designed but there's no copyright on the word Fiero that I can see. Now some have claimed that GM has tried to claim they have ownership of the Fiero font. However, I'd like to see where they have filed for a copyright on that. If they haven't then the word "Fiero" in the "Fiero font" is usable by the public.
I really think the only leg GM has to stand on is the Fiero logo, which they obviously designed. But nothing else that I can see. They don't even own the word "Pontiac" FYI. It predates the company and is named for the Indians and the city. Thus "Pontiac" "Fiero" is not copyrighted either. If anything the Pontiac Indians could sue GM for using their name. |
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Your wrong there. the words, in that specific font, used on a fiero or for the sale of emblems, tshirts etc is all covered by the copywrite. Actual words with the specific font, used for the purpose of selling items related to a fiero is all copywrite. Noe if you wanted to use the word "FIERO" on a pinto or dodge on its own without the logo design then your good to go![This message has been edited by jjd2296 (edited 11-09-2021).]
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RWDPLZ
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NOV 09, 09:25 AM
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Have you actually investigated the cost of licensing the logos for use on seat covers? This would also allow you to keep using the Corvette and other GM logos on those seats, or making replacement Corvette seat covers (probably an even more lucrative business than the Fiero seat covers at this point)?
https://www.gm.com/licensing
The recent GT tail light housing reproductions were made under license by GM. They don't just offer stock replacements, they also do customized lenses, so you potentially wouldn't be limited to just making stock replacement seat covers?
https://bellyacrestudios.com/contact-us/
Might be worth a call to Keith Goodyear to see if he can offer some insight into the process or costs associated?
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MrMike
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NOV 09, 09:59 AM
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Thanks to all for the information.
Russ of RW Upholstery may have a contact for TX Opie, I would like to ask him a question about that new logo (horse with winged mane).
I very much want to offer TWO logos, as one (or none) is not a choice.
Thank you, MrMike.
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infinitewill
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NOV 09, 10:30 AM
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| quote | Originally posted by MrMike:
Thanks to all for the information.
Russ of RW Upholstery may have a contact for TX Opie, I would like to ask him a question about that new logo (horse with winged mane).
I very much want to offer TWO logos, as one (or none) is not a choice.
Thank you, MrMike. |
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I have Jim McHale's (TXOpie) contact info I will PM it to you Mr Mike
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infinitewill
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NOV 09, 10:41 AM
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| quote | Originally posted by MrMike:
Thanks to all for the information.
Russ of RW Upholstery may have a contact for TX Opie, I would like to ask him a question about that new logo (horse with winged mane).
I very much want to offer TWO logos, as one (or none) is not a choice.
Thank you, MrMike. |
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I sent both his phone and email to both you (via PM) and Russ
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edfiero
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NOV 10, 12:00 PM
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I get the C&D letter in the case where GM is still selling factory produced seats or seat covers and Mr Mike or others would be taking sales away from GM. but in this case GM has no similar product..... so what's the big deal if Mike sells a few seat covers? Also could understand if the product in question some how reflected badly on GM but again, that doesn't apply here.
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Trinten
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NOV 10, 04:43 PM
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To add to what Raydar stated, I've tried reaching out to F-I-E-R-O to ask him about his ownership of that logo and getting permission to use it, but never heard back. I don't know if he still checks PMs or is even on the forum (I haven't tried to search to find his most recent post).
Personally, I think that logo is awesome, and would love to see it offered by you.
(also, thank you again for taking the time to educate me on seat construction differences between the Corvette and Fiero some time back. I'm always trying to figure out ways to improve things.)
EDIT: I see that someone mentioned that TXOPIE bought the rights to it. He was active until recently. He was in the process of liquidating all of his Fiero stuff (cars and parts), due to his wife having a serious medical condition and he didn't have time for his hobby anymore. BluDrm was sold to someone nearby, who found some of the new pegasus badges in the car and sold them to me.
I haven't tried reaching out to him recently. I hope he is the owner and is willing/able to sell/give you the design rights![This message has been edited by Trinten (edited 11-10-2021).]
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Russ88TTop
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NOV 10, 08:23 PM
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I sent TXOPIE a PM, email and left a phone message, have not had any replies. I know MrMike was trying to contact him also
Russ
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