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LornesGT JAN 16, 09:37 PM
I know for most you need Pontiac on the lenses but why not get the customs and blanks going for cash flow.
kgoodyear JAN 16, 10:41 PM

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Originally posted by LornesGT:

I know for most you need Pontiac on the lenses but why not get the customs and blanks going for cash flow.



That's a good question. Getting a cash flow would be good but our minimum order is for 1000 pairs of lenses. Now, I have only had 1 pre order for a clear lens and while I have had lots of interest in custom lenses we have have actually had NO orders.

So, what if we ordered P1 (Production 1) and for what ever reason GM--denighs my licence? I will be stuck with 998 clear Fiero lenses that I can't sell because GM is very well aware of the project and if they start seeing these out there they will know just where to come. And I will be in court and I will loose. There is also some confusion as to weather or not I can even make the part without permission. Now, I know you are going to say "Awwwww they will never know." That would be very foolish as I am an LLC and they can clean my shop out of all my shop's assets along with the tool and all propritary information and data.

Would you be willing to play games with a bevy of heavy duty lawyers for your assets? So, because I am not and it has been 30 years since these have been available anyway, I figure I need to do it right and not come face to face with big fat cat called GM!

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JohnWPB JAN 16, 11:18 PM
Speaking at length on the Phone with Keith, it is very clear he has his bases covered, and his, and us Fiero owners in his best interest. My call to him was to suggest something that may help, and that is something that they had talked about already, and put aside long ago. He was graciously thankful for the suggestion, but clearly had come up in discussions already.

He went into a lot of detail, and trust me, there are a LOT of things behind the scene that have been thoroughly thought out, and negotiations that are being worked on.

So basically all of the talk of "you should do this", "why not make it this way", "you can go around the system by......." has been thought of, and covered from many angles.

Unfortunately, as he said it is now in GM's hands, and the time schedule, their percentage, approval and everything else for the most part is in their hands. Keith is working feverishly with GM, and doing everything the proper way to cover himself, his team, his assets as well as get a product out to us.
Easy8 JAN 17, 03:09 AM
I hope the one set of clears is me.. I am pretty sure I asked for a set. Hey George am I the one?? If not hit me with a PM so I can figure out what I requested. Not that you need me to tell ya but keep at em, there are many itching to get hold of these and again thanks for putting up with the BS to get these done.
Thunderstruck GT JAN 17, 09:50 AM
The bottom line is that GM (even though they have zero interest in the Fiero) wants a piece of the action... PERIOD!

This all started years ago when GM abandoned any thought about supplying parts for older GM models. In came the repop companies to fill a much needed void. GM saw the millions of dollars the repop companies were taking in and started a massive lawsuit against the repop industry. GM still never had an interest in the parts or the cars but definitely had an interest in a piece of the pie that the repop industry was raking in. The repop industry and GM came to a compromise. GM gets a piece of the repop industry action and GM gives the repop industry their blessing and that is where the "General Motors Restoration Parts" label name came to be.

The bottom line.... It's all about the money.
kgoodyear JAN 17, 08:24 PM

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Originally posted by Thunderstruck GT:

The bottom line is that GM (even though they have zero interest in the Fiero) wants a piece of the action... PERIOD!

This all started years ago when GM abandoned any thought about supplying parts for older GM models. In came the repop companies to fill a much needed void. GM saw the millions of dollars the repop companies were taking in and started a massive lawsuit against the repop industry. GM still never had an interest in the parts or the cars but definitely had an interest in a piece of the pie that the repop industry was raking in. The repop industry and GM came to a compromise. GM gets a piece of the repop industry action and GM gives the repop industry their blessing and that is where the "General Motors Restoration Parts" label name came to be.

The bottom line.... It's all about the money.



I think you have it about right. GM is getting a sizable chunk of my profits, has no risk and pure profit. GM is also making me pair THEIR administrative costs. BUT what ya gonna do huh?

Thunderstruck GT JAN 17, 10:09 PM

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I think you have it about right. GM is getting a sizable chunk of my profits, has no risk and pure profit. GM is also making me pair THEIR administrative costs. BUT what ya gonna do huh?



Capitalism at its best (worst). Rake in as much profit as you can until the vendor bleeds and not have any skin in the game at all. GM SUCKS!
kgoodyear JAN 17, 10:26 PM

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Originally posted by Thunderstruck GT:


Capitalism at its best (worst). Rake in as much profit as you can until the vendor bleeds and not have any skin in the game at all. GM SUCKS!



Being a capitalist myself, I'd probably do the same.

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Dennis LaGrua JAN 17, 10:48 PM

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Originally posted by kgoodyear:


Being a capitalist myself, I'd probably do the same.


I hope that GM realizes that you need to pay off your research, and tooling costs before you make a profit. Don't worry, you show me a system and I'll show you a way to beat it, but I won't explain that here.

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kgoodyear JAN 17, 11:45 PM

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Originally posted by Dennis LaGrua:

I hope that GM realizes that you need to pay off your research, and tooling costs before you make a profit. Don't worry, you show me a system and I'll show you a way to beat it, but I won't explain that here.




GM doesn't give a **** what my investment capital is. They don't even care what my profit margin is. They want 20% of retail and a quota. Their contract is 20 pages long and there is not one consideration in the contract for me. Every paragraph in that contract is for their benefit. However, playing nice here could pay off in the future. They acf a bit bullish in the contract but I see where there might be some wiggle room as we move through the process and they get a feel for just hwat it takes to build this department and it just so happend to be this project. There are working with me though and -- for the most part after I threw a tantrum starting to put things together just like we are. It's all goinig to be an interesting story when it gets done.