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skywurz
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JAN 31, 08:05 PM
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| quote | Originally posted by cvxjet:
Wkdfiero- That is hilarious!
Another response for Fiero "Fire".....enthusiasts....Is to tell them, "Only the GREEN Fiero's caught fire!" and when they doubt you, you then ask them, "Have you ever SEEN a green Fiero? NO! Because they all burned up!"
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I had a green 86 SE... Had Purple pearlescent... I sold it to a tweaker... Sometimes i wonder whatever happened to it.
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fierosound
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FEB 01, 12:40 PM
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What about an electric in your garage getting recharged?
The fire cannot be extinguished with water.
No fire department will approach a burning battery powered car because of the toxic gas produced during the fire.
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Dennis LaGrua
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FEB 02, 10:59 AM
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| quote | Originally posted by fierosound:
What about an electric in your garage getting recharged?
The fire cannot be extinguished with water.
No fire department will approach a burning battery powered car because of the toxic gas produced during the fire.
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I may be getting a bit off topic here but electric vehicles are dangerous when charging, in an accident or sometimes even while driving.
The green energy people have still not found a way to recycle Lithium Ion batteries, you still need fossil fuel to run the power stations that power the chargers (only 5% of our power comes from wind/sun) and if you are going on a long trip, it takes hours to recharge to full capacity that is if you can even find a charging station. IMO the EV technology is flawed. I'll stick with a gasoline powered car that can be refueled in five minutes and if you carry a fire extinguisher in your car you're prepared. ------------------
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pmbrunelle
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FEB 02, 12:56 PM
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| quote | Originally posted by Dennis LaGrua:
The green energy people have still not found a way to recycle Lithium Ion batteries
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That is a problem indeed.
| quote | Originally posted by Dennis LaGrua:
you still need fossil fuel to run the power stations that power the chargers
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There are still benefits to burning fossil fuel in a stationary power stations. The stationary power station can extract more mechanical work from the fuel than what is possible in a car's engine (dunno about end-to-end efficiency though), and you can easily burn coal, which is less obvious in a car.
| quote | Originally posted by Dennis LaGrua:
if you are going on a long trip, it takes hours to recharge to full capacity that is if you can even find a charging station.
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That problem could be solved by swapping your dead battery for a fully-charged one at a service station.[This message has been edited by pmbrunelle (edited 02-02-2021).]
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skywurz
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FEB 02, 01:46 PM
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| quote | Originally posted by pmbrunelle:
That problem could be solved by swapping your dead battery for a fully-charged one at a service station.
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This has always bothered me. Would you just swap your cars engine at some service station? Maybe end up with a 200k engine when you have a 50k engine? The battery is one of the main parts that wear out and can be abused. Would you want to swap the battery that you maybe only have 100 charge cycles on with one that has 500? maybe it has been super fast charged a couple times too. Maybe the service station is buying broken batteries and combining them to make a just passable one and reselling the good ones they pull from the cars? Next service station ends up with the just passable one and passes it off to someone and so on until it fails.
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cvxjet
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FEB 02, 02:30 PM
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There is some research taking place into Thorium Reactors......Thorium is much more prevalent on the surface of the earth and easier/safer to mine....The Thorium reactor needs a Neutron beam to force the reactions to take place (So if you lose power it (Basically) shuts down automatically...
There are problems though......so more research needs to be done. The (Normal) uranium/plutonium reactors were the main direction of nuclear power because>>>We can make nuclear bombs with this stuff!!! (Thorium won't work as a bomb)
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liv4God
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FEB 02, 09:14 PM
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| quote | Originally posted by pmbrunelle:
That problem could be solved by swapping your dead battery for a fully-charged one at a service station.
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There are several major reasons why this will not happen. For one we have battery technology being developed independently by multiple manufacturers which are proprietary to their vehicles, Tesla, GM, Ford to name a few. The batteries aren't interchangeable, use different voltage and amperage based in the vehicle and are fully integrated into the design of the vehicle.
Even if all the companies got together to develop a universal battery, that would cause other issues. Based on the size, performance and use of the vehicle, different size and output batteries are needed. You wouldn't put the same size battery into a compact car as you would a pickup or SUV. So there would have to be multiple sizes available. It doesn't seem difficult given we have AAA, AA, C, Batteries for household use. The problem is space.
Each station would now have to have multiple of each type of battery. Enough batteries on hand to swap a fully charged battery into each car for 2 hours(assuming a 2 hour duration to full charge) before the recently swapped dead batteries are charged up and ready to swap again. I don't know how many cars use a gas station per hour, but a busy travel station like a Luvs probably sees hundreds within a few hours. Lets just use 100 cars in 2 hours (although I think that's low). 100 EV batteries is very space consuming, not to mention the toll on the electric grid to be charging that many batteries simultaneously. It ends up being impractical for a service station.
Edit to tie it back into the original topic:
Media did a great job at making the Fiero look bad, and continues to do so. On the flip side they are doing a great job of ignoring the pitfalls of EV technology and are practically touting it as the answer to all earth's problems. I think electric power is great, but it is not a replacement for the combustion engine in many areas.[This message has been edited by liv4God (edited 02-02-2021).]
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pmbrunelle
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FEB 02, 10:11 PM
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| quote | Originally posted by skywurz:
This has always bothered me. Would you just swap your cars engine at some service station? Maybe end up with a 200k engine when you have a 50k engine? The battery is one of the main parts that wear out and can be abused. Would you want to swap the battery that you maybe only have 100 charge cycles on with one that has 500? maybe it has been super fast charged a couple times too. Maybe the service station is buying broken batteries and combining them to make a just passable one and reselling the good ones they pull from the cars? Next service station ends up with the just passable one and passes it off to someone and so on until it fails. |
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I know what you mean about not being stuck with a $20000 paperweight that nobody will accept, but this model does work for welding gas cylinders.
I bought a $300 welding gas cylinder, and when it's empty, I bring it into the local gas shop and get it exchanged for a full one for $80. It could also work on a rental basis, where you pay the service station chain (Shell, etc) X/month. I think it could work.
You should still be able to charge the battery in your car if you have a home/work charger, but the battery swap would allow urban folks who park on a street to operate an electric car as they do with a gasoline car today.
As far as wear-out and obsolescence goes, I think that a swappable battery is actually a plus. Today, when your electric car gets old, the battery is worn out (costing $$$ to rebuild), so you are stuck with a low-resale-value car. It's like an iPhone, when the battery wears out, you throw away the device. A car with a swappable battery can last longer, since it doesn't have as much planned obsolesence built into its design. In this way, the swappable-battery car would be more "green" than its fixed-battery counterpart.
| quote | Originally posted by liv4God:
There are several major reasons why this will not happen. For one we have battery technology being developed independently by multiple manufacturers which are proprietary to their vehicles, Tesla, GM, Ford to name a few. The batteries aren't interchangeable, use different voltage and amperage based in the vehicle and are fully integrated into the design of the vehicle.
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Well first, I like to speak in terms of how I think things should happen, which differs from how I expect the future to actually unfold 
Battery performance differentiates the car vs. its competitors, so automakers with good batteries don't want to give that know-how away to their competitors.
The battery-building parts of the automakers should be spun-off into independent companies, so they can focus on making/selling/renting batteries without interference from the parent automaker. The battery makers could compete amongst themselves based on price/power/range.
With the battery makers made independent, they could form their consortium to settle on sizes A, B, C, D, etc.
I don't think that this would happen on the automakers' accord, but things can happen, such what happened with the dissolution of the Bell System.
| quote | Originally posted by liv4God:
Each station would now have to have multiple of each type of battery. Enough batteries on hand to swap a fully charged battery into each car for 2 hours(assuming a 2 hour duration to full charge) before the recently swapped dead batteries are charged up and ready to swap again. I don't know how many cars use a gas station per hour, but a busy travel station like a Luvs probably sees hundreds within a few hours. Lets just use 100 cars in 2 hours (although I think that's low).
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Driving will become more expensive as gasoline stops being plentiful.
At that point, those who can still afford to drive will be able to (indirectly) pay for the increased land use. (or other costs, whatever the solution)
Gasoline is awesome, but the party will end.
| quote | Originally posted by liv4God:
not to mention the toll on the electric grid to be charging that many batteries simultaneously.
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If it's not the battery-swap station that's pulling energy from the grid, the same energy (or more, because fast charging is inefficient) is going to be sucked off via the superchargers. The superchargers will suck off the power with more peak demands on the grid.
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fierosound
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FEB 02, 10:47 PM
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| quote | Originally posted by Dennis LaGrua:
... if you are going on a long trip, it takes hours to recharge to full capacity that is if you can even find a charging station. IMO the EV technology is flawed.
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Charging is always the problem with these things.
https://chargehub.com/en/el...-charging-guide.html
I don't remember the last time I saw a lineup like this for gas.
Teslas at a Supercharger Station.
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fierosound
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FEB 02, 11:01 PM
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