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82-T/A [At Work]
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OCT 05, 03:31 AM
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| quote | Originally posted by Patrick:
I'd snap it up if it were a pair.  Yeah, for sure.  |
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Hahah... yeah. That link is actually for the Fiero engine, but all aluminum. It's just the block, but the block weighs a total of 198 pounds, which I think is maybe 50-60 pounds less than the Fiero block. It's also stronger, more webbing, etc... but it's the engine block itself.
The link isn't for the heads. I've not seen the aluminum Gen 1 heads in almost a decade, or even any mention of it. There's probably some conversations on here, that I could probably find if I searched for my name. But that was a missed opportunity. I don't so much care for the engine (though it would be nice), but the heads are something that would be pretty cool.
Again, I feel silly because I could simply drop in a 3500 and it would just be all around better. But if you're going for "stock" look... that aluminum blocked engine comes designed to be bored to 3.4 and use the 3.4 crank and rods, and if you had aluminum heads, you'd end up with a motor that was about 100 pounds less off the back, and anywhere from 35-70 more horsepower depending on what you did to it. You could then hook up all the stock stuff, including an extrude-honed and port-matched intake system from a Darrel Morse (remember that guy?!) throttle body, all the way to port-matched and ported aluminum cyl heads. With the H272 Crane Cam and 1.52:1 roller rockers, and a slightly newer SFI ECM and fuel injection system with the Accel 17# pintle-style injectors... mated to a 5-Speed manual Getrag that's done up with the Forenza flywheel and all the other little do-dads that Fiero owners do.
Car would look 100% stock, no one would know the difference, but you'd have a 200hp Fiero with a 5-Speed that ran high 14s all day long and conceivably handled better because of the reduced weight.
But in reality, I can achieve the same thing with $15k less horsepower if I just keep it all cast iron... haha... $15k to drop 100 pounds off the back and for better heat dissipation is not worth it by any stretch of the word.
For me, I'm convinced at keeping my Fiero stock looking, and as such, 195-200hp is pretty much my limit because of the intake manifold. But I'm OK with that... the car is old enough that it is what it is... it's a period car that's fun to drive. I don't need to show up anyone...
I would love to do an LD9 TwinCam swap w/ "secret cam swap" as they call it, and put it into an 87 Fiero SC (non-SE) with the newer 6-speed manual. I'd imagine I'd likely get high 14s, and ~32+ miles to the gallon in something that was really fun to drive, and handled really well.
Most fun car I ever owned was my 1984 Fiero 2m4 SE automatic. I could toss it any which way I wanted because the engine was never powerful enough to overpower the suspension.
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Patrick
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OCT 05, 03:52 AM
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| quote | Originally posted by 82-T/A [At Work]:
That link is actually for the Fiero engine... it's the engine block itself.
The link isn't for the heads...
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Oh... my bad. I thought it was for one head. 
| quote | Originally posted by 82-T/A [At Work]:
Most fun car I ever owned was my 1984 Fiero 2m4 SE automatic. I could toss it any which way I wanted because the engine was never powerful enough to overpower the suspension.
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A duke automatic has trouble overpowering a stiff headwind.  [This message has been edited by Patrick (edited 10-05-2019).]
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olejoedad
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OCT 05, 08:13 AM
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For $15G you could do an LS3/F40 and have a stock weight Fiero with 400hp at the wheels and the engine compartment would look waaaay cooler than stock!
And it would be worth waaay more than a stock-looking numbers matching car.
Just sayin'.....
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cvxjet
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OCT 05, 12:30 PM
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First, I want to apologize for the mistake about those Gen 2 heads (I need to work on better reading comprehension!)..
Second, I don't know if this is possible, but could someone create an adapted lower intake that would go between the newer heads and our Fiero intake?
Then we could have our cake and eat some pie also....(Wait, I think I mixed my metaphors......)
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pmbrunelle
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OCT 05, 12:53 PM
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| quote | Originally posted by 82-T/A [At Work]:
But in reality, I can achieve the same thing with $15k less horsepower if I just keep it all cast iron... haha... |
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15k isn't unimaginable... I'm at 25k on my cast iron V6 build.
For stock look, nitrous can be installed with minimal visual impact.
Or turbo, but that's harder to conceal. Also, it depends if you want the engine to look "stock Fiero".
For my project, I don't care for the engine bay to look completely "stock Fiero", but I want it to look like it "could have been stock equipment for a premium 80s car".
Which flavour of stock look do you want?
Why do you want more power if the most fun you had was with a Duke-powered Fiero? Shouldn't you do a 2.5 swap?[This message has been edited by pmbrunelle (edited 10-05-2019).]
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82-T/A [At Work]
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OCT 06, 02:38 AM
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| quote | Originally posted by pmbrunelle:
15k isn't unimaginable... I'm at 25k on my cast iron V6 build.
For stock look, nitrous can be installed with minimal visual impact.
Or turbo, but that's harder to conceal. Also, it depends if you want the engine to look "stock Fiero".
For my project, I don't care for the engine bay to look completely "stock Fiero", but I want it to look like it "could have been stock equipment for a premium 80s car".
Which flavour of stock look do you want?
Why do you want more power if the most fun you had was with a Duke-powered Fiero? Shouldn't you do a 2.5 swap?
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I still own the first car I've ever owned, a 1987 Pontiac Fiero SE / V6. So that's a huge part of why I want to keep the car stock looking and mostly in feel. I want it to maintain as much of the original characteristics as it had when it was newer (I got it in 1996). So that means, I don't want it to feel too drastically different. I want it to handle as best as it can while maintaining the best handling characteristics it might have had when new. I also want it to perform as well as it can, and have the most power it can, while still maintaining a stock looking appearance, improved drivability, reliability, and performance.
I've owned many newer / better cars over the years that both handle better and are far quicker and faster. So the goal is to make the best original Fiero that I can. So things like my 3.1 stroker kit, better cam, port matching, newer exhaust, these are all things that I've done to built upon the cars characteristics while not changing it. I've never been a fan of nitrous, the only reason why someone would buy nitrous is to win a drag race. I don't see myself drag racing anyone, but I do see myself having fun with the car while driving around. hah...
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Fiero Thomas
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OCT 06, 04:39 PM
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Looks like the site is up and running again.
Thomas
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E.Furgal
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OCT 07, 03:51 AM
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| quote | Originally posted by olejoedad:
For $15G you could do an LS3/F40 and have a stock weight Fiero with 400hp at the wheels and the engine compartment would look waaaay cooler than stock!
And it would be worth waaay more than a stock-looking numbers matching car.
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But, the same can be said about the flat head ford, in rods.
Some want the period correct parts. And will pay handsomely for them.
Now, no way in knowing if a fiero owner would go to that cost to put an alum block in their car but who knows.
Going by your thinking, why even a fiero. a c4 with a ls swap will be cheaper than the ls3/f40 fiero swap. and do everything better.
Different strokes for different folks. That is what is great about the car hobby.
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sourmash
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OCT 07, 07:18 PM
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