2017 Corvette Mid Engine Car and Driver (Page 2/12) hyperv6 SEP 14, 05:22 PM quote Originally posted by tshark: Comfort isn't the same for everyone. I found the new Stingray VERY comfortable, like it was designed for me. Everything came to hand, the car was responsive, and an overall delight. I wasn't racing it, but I had no complaints. It delivered. For the sake of correctness, this was the end of LAST year, and this particular specemin was specially prepped by GM, so it may have been a bit different. If I recall correctly, it was the 700HP variety. It was either T-Top or hard top--probably the latter. I'd have to find the picture. Someone who is a different size/shape may not have been as comfortable. YMMV. The Corvette and Chevrolet seem to have won a lot of races this year. I seem to recall a race early in the year in which a Corvette finished 1, 2, and 3 against Porsches, Mazdas, etc. May have been the Rolex 24 sports car series or a GT series race. IMSA seems to have had a lot of cars. I dunno. People have different tastes. This will not help the value of the Fiero. In fact, the Corvette, as a mid-engine layout, could finish the Fiero once and for all. On the other hand, it could revive interest in the Fiero for those who can't afford the Corvette, and possibly provide us with upgrade parts. The Fiero was not coming back. The name is still an issue for marketing and the fact Pontiac is no longer around just compounds it. Besides to do it right no one would pay that much for a Fiero but they would for a Corvette. As for taste some folks the only taste they have is in their mouths. LOL! The truth is the automakers have to target the largest part of the segment and there is always someone going to be upset somewhere. Case in point the Viper. While it does a lot of neat things the fact is it does not do them in the part of the segment where most of the sales are. Today they are discounting the Viper now as it has missed the mark. Refinement has played a big part in the market today and that is what the Viper needs to find to continue. While it may sell to the fringe the fringe has too few buyers to keep the production viable. The other way you can keep the fringe happy is charge more but in this case that will not work either. Csjag SEP 15, 08:39 AM quote Originally posted by IMSA GT: GM's biggest mistake is that they keep trying to bullshit around with the Corvette which is overrated, overpriced, and uncomfortable as hell. They have no good design crew anymore so they keep dicking with a car that is a piece of plastic crap with a 600hp motor stuffed inside. If they designed a NEW car with a mid engine, they may actually gain new customers even from the Euro crowd but again, they just choose to redesign a turd and hope that it catches on. Why don't you tell us how you really feel? Lol 2.5 SEP 15, 08:47 AM Using a different car probably would have been wise, as they would not lose diehard front engine fans. But I'm sure the same rule applies as did with Fiero, then whatever this other car would be would compete with the Vette and they cant have that. dobey SEP 15, 10:17 AM I still have doubts it will actually have the "Corvette" name or brand anywhere near it. The only things I'd expect it to have in common with the Vette are the engine and transmission. Beyond that, I'd be expecting to see a whole new platform if GM is really looking to build a rear mid-engine supercar for $125K. 2.5 SEP 15, 02:00 PM Did you see this link? http://gmauthority.com/blog...s-for-c8-generation/ "That’s why instead of offering only one Corvette when the car moves to the C8 generation, an entire family of ‘Vettes will be on offer. Motor Trend says Corvette is “obviously strong enough to stand as its own brand,” and we’d have to agree. For the Corvette family, there will be a front-engined car (maybe called Stingray again?) which would serve as the entry-level model and would be based off of the existing C7 Corvette. This car would appease Corvette traditionalists and ensure the car stays affordable, which is a large part of what has made the Corvette so successful. The C8 ZR1 or “Zora” would be the second model in the Corvette model range. This will be the mid-engine car, which will ride on an all-new platform separate from that of the C7 Corvette. Motor Trend points out it is possible to do a front and mid-engine car on the same platform, but it would be difficult and “freakishly expensive.” The Zora Corvette will get the most powerful engines on offer, possibly with an output north of 750 horsepower. All-wheel drive is a possibility, but that brings us back to the topic of staying true to Corvette tradition. What Chevrolet is allegedly planning to do with the Corvette family can be compared to what Porsche has done. They still offer the 911 in multiple variants to please those that appreciate the long-standing tradition of the rear-engine sports car, but also offer cars like the 918 which allows them to go head-to-head with Ferrari and McLaren while not completely desecrating the 911 name. " dobey SEP 15, 03:08 PM I see speculation. I don't get that allusion to Porsche either. The 918 isn't called a 911. Just the same as the Carrera GT was also not called a 911. Another post on the same site said there hasn't been a mid-engine American sports car since the Fiero. Which is also nonsense. Have they never heard of a Saleen S7 or Ford GT? 2.5 SEP 15, 04:10 PM quote Originally posted by dobey: I see speculation. I think so too. But thats all any of it is until it happens I suppose. I'm not sure what to think of the Ford GT, having only produced "4,038 units" from what I saw online. With its availability being so limited and expensive it doesnt easily compare to Fiero or Corvette for that matter. But technically it is mid engine and qualifies. I never even thought about the Saleen, a supercar. Not sure how many they made for the street. When a car is called "limited-production" does it count? dobey SEP 15, 04:20 PM quote Originally posted by 2.5: I think so too. But thats all any of it is until it happens I suppose. I'm not sure what to think of the Ford GT, having only produced "4,038 units" from what I saw online. With its availability being so limited and expensive it doesnt easily compare to Fiero or Corvette for that matter. But technically it is mid engine and qualifies. I never even thought about the Saleen, a supercar. Not sure how many they made for the street. When a car is called "limited-production" does it count? How many of these mid-engined cars do you think GM is going to sell, if they are going to cost $125-150K to get one? The cars that everyone is comparing this thing to, are all supercars, and are all "limited" production. But the Fiero wasn't even a sports car. It was a compact commuter. So does it count as an American mid-engined sports car, just because some of us threw a V8 into one? Csjag SEP 15, 04:38 PM The Fiero GT was a sports car, especially the manual transmission version. You have to consider what the performance standards were at the time. Go back and look at the motor week comparison test between it and the MR2. You have the right to not like the car but it definitely was a sports car. 2.5 SEP 15, 04:42 PM Counts as a mid engine mass produced car. Doesnt mater what class as far as that goes. I wonder if there is a magic number to make a car officially "mass produced"? Thats what Iwonder about the "family" bit. If they sell 50,000 base models and only 5,000 high end blow your pants off models, its probably showing on paper "55,000 sold". (for example) But anyway its vague. No big deal to me. You average Joe wont even know what year Fieros were offered, how many cylinders they had, or may call them rear engine. "There is no fixed definition of the number of vehicles or the amount of modification allowed outside of motorsports or national regulations or laws that determine what is or is not a production vehicle." "Limited production cars[edit]These are usually vehicles where the production run is restricted to a specific number of vehicles. An example of this is the 1957 Rambler Rebel, a limited-production car where only 1,500 were produced" "Pre-production cars come after prototypes or development mules, which themselves may be preceded by concept cars. Pre-production vehicles are followed by production vehicles in the mass production for distribution through car dealerships." http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Production_vehicle