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olejoedad
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MAY 06, 12:34 PM
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The only way the idler pulley interferes with the hinge box is if the engine is too high on the cradle and too far forward. I've done several of these swaps with no interference problems.
No issues even with full stack intercooler.[This message has been edited by olejoedad (edited 05-06-2020).]
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Don Kraus
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MAY 06, 02:34 PM
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You are right,Olejoedad,it will depend on how the engine and tranny are mounted on the cradle.Back in the old days before anybody had tried to put a 3800 in a Fiero we had to use what was available or make brackets to make it fit.I used the front U shaped engine bracket from a chevy or pontiac transport van with a 3800 and the stock transmisson mount from the Fiero.That's why you need to get the engine in to try it to see if it fits.Now days there are mounts available which is great and makes the swap easier.
Don------------------ IMSA 34 60' - 1.555 1/4 mi - 10.519 mph - 130.29
TOO FAR 60' - 1.491 1/4 mi - 11.323 mph - 116.4

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longjonsilver
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MAY 06, 03:20 PM
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Jammed the T stat housing into the pipe using my reamer to get it started. Fits so good ya don't need nails, like we used to say.
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Think that the pipe mite be too long, as the fill sits above the supercharger. Whatcha think? Gotta add to that 3/16 for the base plate, n the fill cap as well.

It mite look as if i am shooting up, but my camera is level. The fill is probably 1" above the supercharger. i think i should cut down the pipe 1" and maybe angle it a bit more. What i dunno, is that WCF has the heater line parallel to the main coolant line, but FF Dallas has his at a 45degree angle. What to do what to do? i know that Loyd has the heater line running over (touching?) the valve cover, which i don't like.
jon
------------------ Astronomy says we will find a coded signal from outer space. Then we'll KNOW that life exists there, for coded signals aren't by chance.
Biology says there are coded genetic signals in every cell, but we KNOW that no intelligence created life.
I'm the original owner of a white ' 84 2M4 purchased Dec 10, 1983 from Pontiac. Always garaged, no rust, 4-wheel drifts are fun!
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longjonsilver
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MAY 07, 05:57 PM
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T stat housing. i split the difference between the West Coast Fieroz system (aligned radiator and heater hoses) and Fast Fieroz Dallas (radiator and heater hoses at about 90degrees) and put the heater hose about 45degrees from the radiator hose.

In place. i'm gonna keep all the stuff on the motor, so it has to work around the boost bypass (is that what it is?) In the pic it says "Doodad", so i could keep it straight with the harness.
jon------------------ Astronomy says we will find a coded signal from outer space. Then we'll KNOW that life exists there, for coded signals aren't by chance.
Biology says there are coded genetic signals in every cell, but we KNOW that no intelligence created life.
I'm the original owner of a white ' 84 2M4 purchased Dec 10, 1983 from Pontiac. Always garaged, no rust, 4-wheel drifts are fun!
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olejoedad
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MAY 07, 07:44 PM
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| quote | Originally posted by Don Kraus:
You are right,Olejoedad,it will depend on how the engine and tranny are mounted on the cradle.Back in the old days before anybody had tried to put a 3800 in a Fiero we had to use what was available or make brackets to make it fit.I used the front U shaped engine bracket from a chevy or pontiac transport van with a 3800 and the stock transmisson mount from the Fiero.That's why you need to get the engine in to try it to see if it fits.Now days there are mounts available which is great and makes the swap easier.
Don
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Hi Don, hope you're doing well.
We have built our own mounts for years, as it's the only way to properly locate the drivetrain. Everything else locates the unit too high on the cradle.
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Don Kraus
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MAY 07, 08:55 PM
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Hi Joe,long time no see,hope you and yours are well. Maybe Longjonsilver should get a set of mounts from you to make his job easier.Every little bit helps when it's your first build.
Regards Don------------------ IMSA 34 60' - 1.555 1/4 mi - 10.519 mph - 130.29
TOO FAR 60' - 1.491 1/4 mi - 11.323 mph - 116.4

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longjonsilver
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MAY 08, 06:48 AM
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| quote | Originally posted by olejoedad: We have built our own mounts for years, as it's the only way to properly locate the drivetrain. Everything else locates the unit too high on the cradle. |
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There are lotsa reasons that i want to get the engine low in the cradle, so Joe, take a look at these:

According to my calculations, this will sit down next to the cradle and i will have to extend the cradle support under the mounts. i drew the chalk lines cuz after i tacked it together, i realized that the rear mount mite be hit by the driveshaft, so i mite have to shorten them but that does not affect the height. How did you attach the cradle support so the engine was low? If i get the engine low enuf, then the mounts mite not hit the driveshaft.
jon
------------------ Astronomy says we will find a coded signal from outer space. Then we'll KNOW that life exists there, for coded signals aren't by chance.
Biology says there are coded genetic signals in every cell, but we KNOW that no intelligence created life.
I'm the original owner of a white ' 84 2M4 purchased Dec 10, 1983 from Pontiac. Always garaged, no rust, 4-wheel drifts are fun![This message has been edited by longjonsilver (edited 05-08-2020).]
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longjonsilver
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MAY 08, 12:05 PM
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So here it is on the engine. The bottom of the 79 Dodge truck 318 V8 motor mounts are about 3/4" to 1" above the bottom of the oil pan. So if the plate that i'm gonna make that will weld to the sides of the cradle is about 1/2 way down the sides of the cradle, then my motor should be about the right height. i will have to brace the cradle for that to work. Not a problem.

Also visible is the alternator bracket cardboard mockup. Looks like it will interfere with the motor mounts. Gonna have to fix that. Either i keep them separate or i tie them in together. Dunno right now. But what i do know is that there is a bolt on the side of the block 8mm x 1.25 that i can use to brace the alternator so that it won't wiggle left to right (relative to the car) or in other words, front to back (relative to the motor).
jon------------------ Astronomy says we will find a coded signal from outer space. Then we'll KNOW that life exists there, for coded signals aren't by chance.
Biology says there are coded genetic signals in every cell, but we KNOW that no intelligence created life.
I'm the original owner of a white ' 84 2M4 purchased Dec 10, 1983 from Pontiac. Always garaged, no rust, 4-wheel drifts are fun!
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Don Kraus
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MAY 08, 03:20 PM
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Jon,you best also get the transaxle on there and see how that lines up, and how are those mounts are going to work,where are the axles going to be with the cradle.
Don
------------------ IMSA 34 60' - 1.555 1/4 mi - 10.519 mph - 130.29
TOO FAR 60' - 1.491 1/4 mi - 11.323 mph - 116.4
 [This message has been edited by Don Kraus (edited 05-08-2020).]
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longjonsilver
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MAY 08, 07:05 PM
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| quote | Originally posted by Don Kraus:
Jon,you best also get the transaxle on there and see how that lines up, and how are those mounts are going to work,where are the axles going to be with the cradle.
Don
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Exactly, that is why i just tacked the engine mounts. They also seem crooked. Dunno if its just an optical delusion or not. But i am driving Freya this summer and the swap will actually take place next winter. Right now i am fabbing up what i can, and leaving final decisions on some things (motor mounts) till i drop the cradle.
Meanwhile, i'm working on my electrical system. Studying and deciding how to do it. Reduced the instructions from Sinister Performance to a digestible format.
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Its now in a font that i can read with my old eyes, and devoid of anything that i don't need AT, AC, Cruise.
jon
------------------ Astronomy says we will find a coded signal from outer space. Then we'll KNOW that life exists there, for coded signals aren't by chance.
Biology says there are coded genetic signals in every cell, but we KNOW that no intelligence created life.
I'm the original owner of a white ' 84 2M4 purchased Dec 10, 1983 from Pontiac. Always garaged, no rust, 4-wheel drifts are fun!
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