12 year olds and cars - Kathryn's Fiero (Page 162/175)
84fiero123 DEC 18, 10:38 AM

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Originally posted by PD1949:




Thanks for the update, give her our best and Merry Christmas from all of us here.

She is an inspiration to many young kids male and female to never give up no matter how long it takes.



Steve

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Technology is great when it works,
and one big pain in the ass when it doesn't



Detroit iron rules all the rest are just toys.

kathryn DEC 28, 10:07 AM
Hey everybody,

Just wanted to wish you all a belated Happy Holidays! I can't believe it's almost 2016, the date of graduation is slowly approaching and it feels like only yesterday that I started this whirlwind of a project. Thank you all for the continued support it means so much to me and the family. My car is so close to running it's almost painful at this point. My dad and I will be working on it today and tomorrow so I'm hoping to make a fair amount of progress. I will post updates later with a few pictures hopefully.

Right now we're struggling quite a bit with this wiring harness that's a mess that connects to the engine and a thousand other places it feels like. We're hoping that we've figured it out. If not I'll let you all know and post pictures of the problem pieces, and I would appreciate any help possible with this to be honest. Right now it's a huge stumbling block to overall completion... and a running car!

Again thank you all for everything you have done and continue to do.

-Kathryn
2.5 DEC 28, 12:00 PM
Thanks for the update! Cool to hear you and your Dad are working on it today
mwzephyr DEC 28, 12:09 PM
Kathryn,
Wiring harnesses are a headache and yet anything you miss now can cause problems later.
Also over the years the insulation on a wire in a harness may wear thru and when you turn a corner
or hit a hard stop sit may ground-out causing some weird things may happen that are hard to replicate.
Get a continuity meter and check each and every wire also run your hands along each wire to make sure you don't miss potential broken wires inside of unbroken insulation.

Also last but not least every connector plug needs to be cleaned.
If you know how to do it ,carefully remove each wire from the plug that houses it and clean and inspect it and replace it back into the connector.
This requires a bit of skill and knowledge to pop the tiny barbs free from the plastic housing... You may want to skip that.
Some could be green with corrosion and otherwise unbroken. If this is not your cup of tea so to speak,
Buy pigtails from the automotive store for the part or cut another one from an old harness and then you should be in business.

I personally recommend hand soldering each connection but not before putting the shrink tube insulation in place.
Modern crimp connectors often fail under mechanical stresses.
Then slide the shrink tube over the soldered connection and blast it with a hair dryer till it seals up good .
~ still doesn't hurt to put vinyl electric tape over this in places where the wiring is exposed to water.

Over the years I have "unwrapped" almost every cluster of wires to find my problems.
Sadly though sometimes the wiring is not the problem but the component that won't work.

When you can get a wiring diagram you may end up making new partial harnesses.
It is hard work, but sure way to know what is working and what is not.
Sometimes getting pieces of another harness might be a better option.
When you are done you will have passed your own automotive wiring course.
Seriously though you cannot take for granted that all of your grounds are good between body panels. The car is old...

I have added a separate grounding strap between my engine block and the firewall ( braided wire from a machinery ground application)
and also a grounding wire from the engine to a side pillar in the passenger compartment.
It usually solves problems where the body doesn't function well as a continuous ground.
I also check that the alternator/ regulator is putting out a steady output.
Sorry I don't have the wiring diagram but I am sure you will be guided to one shortly.

None of this advice is meant to be insulting,
it is just the way I learned how to do things ;
much of it you already know about.


Best of luck!
It is great to hear from you.
Happy wiring.

Kudos on your great school work!!!

Happy New Year!
¬Zep

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kathryn DEC 28, 06:02 PM
Hello again everyone,

I hope you all had a great day! For me it's been a little cold and frustrating with finding these electrical connections. Zep you are right, they are a headache. Thank you for all the advice I could use all the help I can get for this whole wiring harness. It is probably my second least favorite thing, after sanding of course.

I have some photos with certain connections and pieces that I really haven't figured out what to do with. I'll add them to this post. If any of you know what they are and where they go that would be fantastic because my dad and I both feel like we've hit a bit of a dead end with this.

Other than that I fixed up a few mistakes with loose hose clamps and a missing gasket in the coolant system today along with finding a few more of the electrical connections. We've now got horrible weather here in Michigan, that snow I wanted for Christmas decided to show up today and it's now pretty cold outside.

Here are all the connections I am struggling with, any help would be greatly appreciated!
































I hope you all are doing well and that you have luck with all your projects, work, etc! Thank you all for everything!
-Kathryn
88lambofiero DEC 28, 06:45 PM
Some of these may be wrong because I am use to looking at the engine. Hope this helps if you need pics of how thing run I have a 85 GT in the garage I can use.

http://images.fieroforum.com/2015/photo_3_7.JPG
O2 wire
http://images.fieroforum.com/2015/photo_4_7.JPG
oil pressure relocation tube. I believe
http://images.fieroforum.com/2015/photo_5_6.JPG
Tack filter
http://images.fieroforum.co.../photo_9_(Small).JPG
wire for the small stud on the starter
http://images.fieroforum.co...photo_10_(Small).JPG
looks like ground wires
http://images.fieroforum.co...photo_12_(Small).JPG
MAP sensor
http://images.fieroforum.co...photo_13_(Small).JPG
I believe this is for the EGR and cruise control
http://images.fieroforum.co...photo_14_(Small).JPG
EGR control solenoid
http://images.fieroforum.com/2015/16.JPG
The oval one is the temp wire. That dirty one has not been hooked up on the one I have work on
kathryn DEC 29, 10:16 AM
Hello again,

I hope you're all doing well and that everything is going okay for you all. Thank you for all the help.

88lambofiero - Thank you for the information you've given; some pictures showing where the connections run to would be wonderful! I really don't know what I'm doing with all the wires and tangles of cords, it's gotten me a little baffled. Again, thank you.

Good luck with all your projects everyone, wishing you all the best!
-Kathryn
84fiero123 DEC 29, 12:34 PM

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Originally posted by kathryn:

Hello again,

I hope you're all doing well and that everything is going okay for you all. Thank you for all the help.

88lambofiero - Thank you for the information you've given; some pictures showing where the connections run to would be wonderful! I really don't know what I'm doing with all the wires and tangles of cords, it's gotten me a little baffled. Again, thank you.

Good luck with all your projects everyone, wishing you all the best!
-Kathryn



I would rather pound my #*%(%$ flat with a sledge hammer than hunt down and electrical problem. hey I cleaned it up as much as I could. Good luck Kido and stay away from the boys and you will finish it in no time.

Dad you got a hell of a good kid there, so you must have done something right.



Steve

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Formula88 DEC 29, 04:11 PM
When I get to places that like on complicated stuff like wiring harnesses, I find it easier to pull ALL wiring off the car, verify each harness against the schematic on the bench and then install each one at a time. That helps with identifying what each connector is and you can even label them to make install easier.

Was any repair work done on the harness? If it's still in stock configuration, an option might be to get a complete engine harness for the car from someone on here.

Consider this part of your engineering training. You're going to get very good with reading wiring schematics and doing continuity tests.
Even experienced pros like BMWGuru take the harnesses completely apart and assemble them one wire at a time. It's probably the most tedious part of working on a car, next to sanding.

This thread may have some useful info:
http://www.fiero.nl/forum/Forum2/HTML/000487.html
http://www.fiero.nl/forum/Forum2/HTML/126341.html

I'll see what else I can dig up tonight.

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Darth Z JAN 03, 02:18 AM
Thanks for the updates Kathryn, good to see you're back on the project. The winter months in Michigan would have to be the best time to work on a project, provided you have a GOOD heater in the shop. I was not a big fan of the cold when I lived up there. I'm hoping to go finish up my non-Fiero project Monday or Tuesday, if it warms up enough. Too cold down here in the swamps for me to be in an open shop wrenching.