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How to remove outer door panel, with pics by fierohoho
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Report this Post10-31-2002 02:14 PM Click Here to See the Profile for fierohohoSend a Private Message to fierohohoEdit/Delete MessageReply w/QuoteDirect Link to This Post
As I recently replaced my dew wipe I had the door apart so I took a ton of pics.

What I offer here is for the new Fiero owners who want to do the work themselves.

I welcome any comments from others to help cover any mistakes I make or to offer an easier way for the beginer to do this.

The pics are from my '84 with power windows, locks and mirrors.

I have another thread you can find by doing a search for "How to remove inner door panels, with pics."

At this point I will assume you have the inner door panel off.

First remove the rubber end caps from the frame, two philips screws on the back one and three philips screws on the front. They are glued down with a small amount of sealant but peel up easily.

Next remove the inner window seal, it's held in place with six philips head screws.

Next remove the two 10mm nuts that hold the mirror in place, a little liquid wrench or WD-40 on the nuts will help, an open end box wrench works best, don't worry if you drop the nuts inside the door you can retrieve them soon anyway. Note how the power mirror wiring harness (or the manual control cable) is routed behind the window guide, make sure when reinstalling these they are in the same location so as not to interfere with the windows operation .

Now unplug the wiring for the mirror and take the mirror off, if you have a manual mirror you will have to fish the whole control cable out but it's not too hard.

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Report this Post10-31-2002 02:28 PM Click Here to See the Profile for fierohohoSend a Private Message to fierohohoEdit/Delete MessageReply w/QuoteDirect Link to This Post
Now remove the seven plastic looking screws that holds the door skin edges. There are four at the rear and three at the front.

On the '84 they are philips head screws, '85-'88 are torx bit screws. If they strip out it's not the end of the world just a pain. I have found if you use a razor blade (be careful) you can shave the top of the plastic off to expose the actual metal screw holes and use them. Here is a pic of both the philips and torx intact and with the tops shaved off.

Now remove the moulding strip, start at the front and using a small flat blade screwdriver pry at the top corner of the moulding while pushing up on the bottom of the moulding, the top edge should come away from the door, then push down to disengage the bottom from the clip.

Now move down a little and again pushing up pull the top edge of the moulding away from the next clip.

There are a total of four clips five if you count the front one. When all are loose you will find a small christmas tree type push fastener holds the back end under the door handle, pop it loose with a small flatblade screwdriver and the moulding is off.

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Now remove the front moulding clip using a 7mm socket or nut driver and then the rear 7mm screw near the key lock.

This is a pic of one of the four moulding clips, to remove them from the door use a small flat blade screwdriver to lightly push down on the little tab in the center that goes into the door while pulling out on the clip, a needle nose pliers helps here. Do not be suprised if the little tab breaks, I usually break half of them when I do it, not a big deal, just buy some new ones. This is also a good pic to show what you are pushing up against to release the moulding from the clip.

Now go to the bottom edge of the door and you will find four plastic rivets, use a small punch to punch the center out, you will then be able to pop the rivet out using a flat blade screwdriver or side cutters. Here's a pic of a removed rivet too.

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On the '84 door the top edge is held to the door frame with three christmas tree fasteners, '85-'88 have a lip molded in the door skin that hooks over an edge on the frame. Pull the '84 skin away from the door frame at the top and the fasteners will come loose. On '85- '88 door skins pull the bottom of the door away from the frame slightly and lift the skin up to disengage the skin from the frame.

At this point the only thing holding the skin to the frame is the lock rod and door handle rod. Remove the clip that holds the rod to the lock cylinder.

The rod that goes from the door handle to the latch mechanism just sits in a hole and will come loose when you slide the skin up and away from the frame, or you can undo the plastic clip that holds the rod to the door handle.

That's it for the door skin removal, the dew wipe is now easy access, you can get to all but two of the screws which sit behind the window glass. These can be removed with a tool that Rodney Dickman sells or you can use a needle nose vise grips like I did to turn the screws in from the outside.

As you can see from the pic I used an old forceps to hold the screw in place when I reinstalled it, I used the vise grips to tighten the screw from the outside, as this is a self tapping screw there is a little bit of the end to grab without trashing the screws threads.

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If you are in this far and have power locks that don't work or you have to hit the button several times here's an easy fix I have done on four doors.

Remove the rods from the latch mechanism and the three torx bolts that hold the latch to the frame.

Clean all the old dust and grease off the latch with whatever it takes and then regrease the whole thing using a spray grease that will stay on and not run off.

I used a spray grease that gels up shortly after it's sprayed on.

Reinstall the latch and hook the rods back up.

I have not done anything to the lock solenoid (it's really a lock motor) and have had excellent results.

Good luck and Wrench On Dudes! HoHo

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Report this Post10-31-2002 04:30 PM Click Here to See the Profile for Daniel87GTSend a Private Message to Daniel87GTEdit/Delete MessageReply w/QuoteDirect Link to This Post
Tech tip: When removing the outer molding you can reach through from the inside of the door and release the clips if the window is up. My clips were pretty stiff from age and would probably have broken if I had tried prying them off from the outside.

On my 87 GT there was a metal piece in the way of me getting to the outside of the screws directly. Basically, it didn't get me anything to pull the outer skin off. It was a lot of work and I didn't have any replacement rivets for the bottom of the door.

Tech tip: once you're commited to changing the dew wipes go ahead and cut away the majority of it. It will make it easier to get at the screws with Rodney's tool. I had the problem where the tool wouldn't fully engage the screw because the dew wipe was too stiff. It worked fine after I cut most of the dew wipe off, right down the crease.

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wow, great instructions with good pics!

It might be worthwhile to mention that you don't need to remove the outer door skin to replace the dew wipes though.

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Great information and an excellent post

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Originally posted by JD86GT350:
wow, great instructions with good pics!

It might be worthwhile to mention that you don't need to remove the outer door skin to replace the dew wipes though.


Thanks, You are right, it is not necessary to remove the door skin to do the dew wipes, I replaced mine when I had the door apart and threw in the info on how I did it in response to an e-mail I got about this and my other post about removing the inner door panel.

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Report this Post11-01-2002 06:31 AM Click Here to See the Profile for 2farnorthSend a Private Message to 2farnorthEdit/Delete MessageReply w/QuoteDirect Link to This Post
Outstanding post. Very well done. Thanks.

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This post couldn't have been posted at any better moment than now!!
I have to remove my outer door panels to repaint them (with the rest of the car.... pics coming soon!)!!
thank you for your help!

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Report this Post11-01-2002 09:43 AM Click Here to See the Profile for cjgableSend a Private Message to cjgableEdit/Delete MessageReply w/QuoteDirect Link to This Post
Great Post! Just in time too. I am needing to replace my right door skin. Thanks!!

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Wish that I had seen this last week. Did mine for the first time and the instructions & pics would have made it much easier.

Your info is dead on.

On my next project I will take the time (we all should)to shoot some photos also so we can all have a reference to view.

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Report this Post11-01-2002 10:19 AM Click Here to See the Profile for fierogt88Send a Private Message to fierogt88Edit/Delete MessageReply w/QuoteDirect Link to This Post
Great info!

I gave positive ratings to fierohoho and JD86GT350. Normally I would keep my ratings to myself (since I am politically against rating systems) but I just thought that I would point out that I *TRIED* to give Daniel87GT positive feedback but only get an error. Go figure. I wonder how many other positive ratings Daniel has missed because his ratings file is corrupt....

<sarcasm>Oh well, I didn't really like that Daniel guy anyway. Who cares if he knows what he's talking about. I'm offended by the way he uses uppercase and lowercase letters in the same username, so I want to boot him anyway.</sarcasm>

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p.s. even though I'm ranting, lets not hijack this ABSOLUTELY WONDERFUL POST!! If you want to correct my political position on rating systems, pleas PM me. It's been months since I had a PM anyway!

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Report this Post11-01-2002 11:05 AM Click Here to See the Profile for StansGTSend a Private Message to StansGTEdit/Delete MessageReply w/QuoteDirect Link to This Post
Nice job!

I think you should have made the Haynes manual!

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Originally posted by StansGT:
Nice job!
I think you should have made the Haynes manual!

Hey whats that wink for. Thats a very serious statement. HoHo you seriously should have. Just the color pics alone makes a big difference.

Yes I agree you picked a very good time to do it as well. My power locks were (past tense! ) sticky, and I have a side mirror to replace. You posted your 'how to remove inner door panel' thread the day after I had my mirror ripped off. And now, thanks to this thread I don't have to ask the question of "wheres the mirror mount bolts?"

Yeay.

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Great info! as I'm going to be adding PDL, PM and keyless to my doors soon (the doors are off the car)

Great timing as I probably would have pulled the skins off fron the top and broken the lips (86GT) on the top of the skins.

Thanks!

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Report this Post11-01-2002 03:52 PM Click Here to See the Profile for fierohohoSend a Private Message to fierohohoEdit/Delete MessageReply w/QuoteDirect Link to This Post
Jeez guys, my head is swelling up, thanks for the positive response.

I did this thread as I had time and a camera, I see new guys and a few old members posting questions that need this type of response, this is my way of paying the forum back for all the good info I have found and the great people I have met because of it.

I have several pics to add to help show the differences between the 84 year and 85-88 years door skins.

This first set of pics show the inside edge of the 84 door skin and then the 85-88 door skin.

1984

1985-1988

The next set shows the difference between the actual door frames of the 84 and 85-88.

1984

1985-1988

You can see the metal "rail" they added to hold the lip of the door skin, sure beats the three christmas tree fasteners on the 84's

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OUTSTANDING THREAD!!! This IS what the forum is meant to be!! You just got a **+** from me too..

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Report this Post11-01-2002 05:22 PM Click Here to See the Profile for MaddRattSend a Private Message to MaddRattEdit/Delete MessageReply w/QuoteDirect Link to This Post
fierohoho,

Since I don't have 30 posts to vote a "+" for you I am thanking you here. There will be one from me for you and several others that REALLY deserve it!

I am getting ready to replace my driver side door due to a very big hole in it. This will really help me get the old one off, hopefully with relative ease, on my 87 coupe. Also, thanks for showing the differences between door frames and skins between the model years. I have learned alot already from this forum, and members like you REALLY HELP! As do many of the others that have posted and helped others and myself out!
So............

THANK YOU!

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While I had the doors apart installing the pw/pdl in my 85SE I also replaced the outer dew wipes. I couldn't get a bite on the two hard to get to screws with the tool I got from Rodney. I researched my archive of printed forum posts and found one that had instructions that worked for me. I don't have the info with me here at work so I can't post a link.

In this procedure I removed the upper window stops from the door and loosened the bolts holding the vertical track near the rear side of the door. I could then raise the window enough to get the roller out of the vertical track which allowed me to slide the glass forward and backward enough to get to the screws with a regular screwdriver. It sounds complicated but turned out to be very easy. Be sure and mark the position of the bolts before you remove them so you can restore their position when complete. (you will need to remove the rubber molding from the front and rear edge of the glass and the mirror as in the procedure above).

While I had the door apart I sprayed lithium grease on all the moving parts of the lock mechanism and the window tracks. One of the places that causes the most friction in the lock mechanism that I see is the plastic guide that the lock rod snaps into between the lock mechanism and the inner door handle. You can see it when the inner door panel is off. I just unsnapped the rod and squirted a small amount of the white grease on it and re-snapped the rod in place.

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When we did the dew wipes on my Fiero my father in law came up with a very nifty trick for holding the little screws when reinstalling.

He cut some small plastic tabs using the clear plastic from those blister packs (you know, the stuff that is impossible to open). The tabs were about 3" long and 1/2" wide. He screwed the dew wipe screws through the ends of the tabs, and then used to tab to hold the screw in place while we got them started. Once they were snugged down, a firm tug on the tab broke it free of the screw and we were able to tighten them down using Rodney's tool.
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I sure am happy that you did all of this for us! Now I can finish pulling off my door skin without wrecking something.
Thanks again!
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I have seen several fieros with the outer skin cracked at the mirror. is there something that I should look for as my 1986 is cracked in that same location also. not sure if its a cold weather stress point or something else.

I was gonna try to fix mine soon.

thanks for this write up.

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Thanks for a great write up and pictures! I need to pull the door skin off to access the window regulator. It makes a noise about half way up. I think it's the spring. With the door skin off, I should be able to diagnose it correctly.
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By the means of member fierohoho’s great post and photos to study, plus a lot of more PFF searching to gather additional details; I attacked the outer door panel with a slightly different strategy…

Molding Strip
Plastic Rivets
Edge Screws

I began with the inner door panel, mirror and glass seals/dew wipes removed; plus the window fully rolled up.

Molding Strip
I didn’t want to ‘pry’ on the outer finish, so I started inside of the door with a long heavy flat screwdriver by popping/breaking the visible four middle clips. With the inside middle clips loose, the molding was slightly ‘bowed’ away from the outer panel. Using thin tools; I carefully inserted the tools under the loose molding and then pulled the strip outward more.


Back to the inside of the door, I next ‘snipped’ the end of the small ‘Christmas tree’ or ‘carrot’ type push fastener, which was holding the molding under the door handle. With the fastener loose, it was easy to pull the rear end of the molding from the outer panel.


With the molding away of the panel, I grasped the trim with my hand and carefully ‘twisted-it’ outward, and the front clip released the molding strip from the door without a fight.


Remove the 2 screws that were exposed from under the molding trim with a 7mm socket

Plastic Rivets
Note: The factory plastic rivets have ‘teeth’ or ribs on the center shaft which holds or 'bites' into grooves of the outside flange. By forcing inward on the center shaft with a smaller diameter punch, you can ‘pop’ the center shaft out from the outside flange, which releases the rivet.

My Fiero was sitting on the ground so the workspace was tight under the door.

Instead of a small punch to punch the center out; I used a spring driven center punch at the middle of the rivet to start a drill bit. I slowly drilled the center shaft of the rivets with a 1/8-inch bit, which some broke the rivet, others needed to be pried with side cutters from the center and the flange edge as fierohoho suggested.

Edge Screws
These screws are infamous of stripping out the plastic covers; made sure that the screw heads are clean. Remove any ‘grime’ so you get a good bite into the bottom of the screws with the tool. Also made sure you’re using the correct tool; mine were Torx heads and needed a T-30 bit.

My Tip:
With the tool firmly into the bottom of the screw, TIGHTEN the screw a ‘tad’, and then loosen. If the screw resists, apply penetrating oil, tighten the screw a bit again, and then loosen.

Use the ‘back and forth’ technique to ‘tap’ the screw out.

For me, I didn’t have any problems to remove my screws; all came out with the plastic covers intact.

FYI - If you need new door panel Torx screws; Rodney Dickman still has them as I write this post…

The next step is a little awkward which is disconnecting the lock linkage from the outer panel.

Don’t attempt the lock linkage from the inside of the door, many tried. The best method to release the lock linkage is when the outer panel has been ‘freed’ from the door frame.

To do that, either a helper is needed or a ‘support’ which the ‘free’ outer panel can be placed on beside the door, as you work with the lock linkage; I used the latter.

I put boards under the door as ‘support’ to hold the panel when it is time to lift the panel from the frame.


Slightly pull out the bottom edge of the outer panel away from the frame, and then lift the skin up to disengage the panel lip that hooks over the edge on the frame, and then place the panel on the support.


NOTE: By lifting the panel up from the frame, the door handle linkage slides out of the latch; notice where the rod exited the latch for reassembly. I can already see that when putting the outer panel back on the frame, ‘dropping’ the door handle linkage back into the latch will be tricky, but I’ll cross that bridge later.

With the panel loose on the support, be careful as at this point the only thing holding the panel is the lock linkage which still needs to be disconnected.


To disconnect the lock linkage, gently ‘hook’ the top of the clip and at the same time; pry/push the clip away from the lock cylinder ‘tab’ and push the clip down on the linkage.


This will unfasten the linkage but the rod will be still into the lock tab; the next step is to guide the 90-degree angle bend of the linkage out from lock cylinder tab.

When the end of the lock linkage is out of the lock cylinder tab; the outer panel will be really ‘free’ from the door…




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Reassembly

Purchase Parts as Needed:
I brought The Fiero Store Door Molding Clip Kits than separately parts {TFS Part # 81003} and Plastic Rivets {TFS Part #83026} which needs a special tool.
{The Fiero Store sells the tool; I used MAC Tools Plastic Rivet Gun model RG-75}

When putting the outer panel back on the door frame, I fully rolled the window to the bottom, so I was able to observe when it is time to guide the door handle linkage into the latch hole.

When the door and panel are ready; put the lock linkage clip onto the end of the rod; place the outer panel next to the lock linkage; install the lock linkage to the lock cylinder tab, and then the fun begins…

At the end of the lock linkage is a ‘groove’ which this smaller diameter area ‘locks’ into a ‘U’ channel of the clip. Aligning and pushing this smaller diameter area into the ‘U’ channel of the clip was difficult, as both the rod and the tab needs to be parallel before the clip will fit into the rod groove.


Obviously, your hand will be in the way between the door frame and the outer panel, so the lock linkage goes outward at an angle. I found that the front end of the panel needed be ‘skewed’ away from the car to align the lock cylinder tab with the lock linkage.

Make a note that if the linkage ‘groove’ is pushed too far beyond from the clip channel {not locked}, the rod can bind at the lock cylinder tab.

Special Note: I brought TFS Door Latch Rod Clips {#88197} and they didn’t have the ‘U’ channel. Thus, I didn’t try to force their clip onto the lock linkage groove.


Next is to carefully raise the outer panel as you hold the bottom of the panel away from the frame slightly and then guide the door handle linkage into the latch.

With the door handle rod into the latch; lower the panel slightly more and guide the panel’s top ‘lip’ and engage with the door frame, making sure it ‘hooks’ completely, and then let the bottom of the panel fall in place.

Align the front molding screw of the panel with the door threads, and with a clip under the head, lightly thread-in the screw.

Lightly thread-in the rear molding screw too.

Lightly thread-in the seven edge screws behind the panel.

With the door closed, check the alignment and tighten the front screw first, then tighten the rear screw at the door handle.

*If the outer panel alignment isn’t correct; alter the screw threads in the plastic ‘plugs’ in the steel frame.

Tighten the seven edge screws behind the panel.

Molding Strip

The molding trim has clip ‘guides’ inside of the strip where the four middle clips go; the larger ‘legs’ of the clip sits next to these guides.

With the clip legs between the guides and holding the legs firmly in place; push the clip down until the upper side of the clip ‘snaps’ into the molding.


Install the small ‘Christmas tree’ or ‘carrot’ type push fastener into the molding strip at the door handle end.

‘Twist’ the front end of the molding trim on the front clip which is under the front door screw; then adjust/align the middle clips to the outer panel and at the same time, align the ‘carrot’ fastener on the door handle end.

Push the ‘carrot’ fastener at the door handle end of the molding into the door panel and then push all the middle clips into the panel.

Plastic Rivets

Install the four bottom plastic rivets using a plastic rivet gun.


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Original Owner of a Silver '88 GT
Under 'Production Refurbishment' @ 136k Miles

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