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Mary jane is a traitor by uhlanstan
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Originally posted by TheDigitalAlchemist:

America may have some rough times ahead, but it isn't due to folks like MJ.


I agree.

I guess I just don't understand what he did that would cause this mass-ban.
Call someone a traitor?
He's been doing that for years.

Why is now different?
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I just refreshed my neg from the neg I gave you a while back. Not sure what it was for, but it's been a LONG time since I opened the ratings window, so who knows.
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Originally posted by Boondawg:


I agree.

I guess I just don't understand what he did that would cause this mass-ban.
Call someone a traitor?
He's been doing that for years.

Why is now different?

For the record, I've been called much worse in my lifetime. Occasionally, it was even well deserved.

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He's gettin' beat like he owes money...



I have always had Stan at neutral.
He is who he is.

I just positive-rated him based solely on hypocrisy.

I am now defending someone not because I even like him, but because he has done nothing that others haven't done, mostly to a blind eye.
It feels like the worst episode of Perry Mason ever...

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Originally posted by Patrick:

I was such a cute baby. I don't know what happened.

...but Tony, I've still got hair.



Well, I was born with a five head. That is one more than four for you tRAITOR SQEEKs.
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Originally posted by Boondawg:

He's gettin' beat like he owes money...



I have always had Stan at neutral.
He is who he is.

I just positive-rated him based solely on hypocrisy.

I am now defending someone not because I even like him, but because he has done nothing that others haven't done, mostly to a blind eye.
It feels like the worst episode of Perry Mason ever...



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Originally posted by Boondawg:

I have always had Stan at neutral.
He is who he is.


And for that he deserves a pass?

I held off rating Stan for a long time.

I occasionally got a laugh out of some of his silly stuff.

But I began to imagine how it would feel to be on the receiving end of one of his hateful tirades.

I didn't like it.

I finally negged him last November.

I feel somewhat guilty I waited that long.
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Originally posted by Boondawg:

He's gettin' beat like he owes money...



I have always had Stan at neutral.
He is who he is.

I just positive-rated him based solely on hypocrisy.

I am now defending someone not because I even like him, but because he has done nothing that others haven't done, mostly to a blind eye.
It feels like the worst episode of Perry Mason ever...



I'm afraid I'll have to politely disagree with you on this. Stan is who he is, but he doesn't need to attack people in this manner. He has a neg from me, and that won't change...because he won't change.
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Originally posted by Boondawg:

He's gettin' beat like he owes money...



I have always had Stan at neutral.
He is who he is.

I just positive-rated him based solely on hypocrisy.

I am now defending someone not because I even like him, but because he has done nothing that others haven't done, mostly to a blind eye.
It feels like the worst episode of Perry Mason ever...



I've seen many people attacked here that you didn't rush to defend. If you feel it's a matter of principle to now defend Stan, I submit you should be quite busy defending everyone else equally or you're just as hypocritical as those you complain about.
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Originally posted by Patrick:

And for that he deserves a pass?


I didn't give him a "pass".
I didn't give him anything.
I just ignored him.


 
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But I began to imagine how it would feel to be on the receiving end of one of his hateful tirades.


I have been on the receiving end.
He still remained neutral.

It's the default setting.

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Originally posted by Boondawg:

I didn't give him a "pass".
I didn't give him anything.
I just ignored him.


Boonie, you know I luv ya... but not doing anything is a "pass" IMO.
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Originally posted by Formula88:


I've seen many people attacked here that you didn't rush to defend.



Never said I did.
Oh, don't confuse my outside observations as a declaration of perfection within myself.
I point the same finger at me.

I'm probably the worst at all of it....but maybe we can learn from stuff like this, too.
We just gotta' look.
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Boonie, you know I luv ya... but not doing anything is a "pass" IMO.


It's the default setting.
If I don't care a wit about someone, why would I bother rating them?

I have never rated anyone negatively.
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Never rated a neg on anyone...ever..
so I guess he gets my first.

I think he just senile , sad perhaps even lonely not to mention so out there that it becomes a joke each time he posts..
Eric....aka Marine vet...
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Originally posted by Boondawg:


I didn't give him a "pass".
I didn't give him anything.
I just ignored him.


Boon, I'm not trying to be an ass, but:

 
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And some good men here allowed it (without a public word of defense for the wrongly accused), not out of truth, justice, or The American Way, but out of weather they liked the person being falsely accused/attacked.
We've all seen that, too.

All you have to do to see how dangerous that kind of thing is, is pick up a History book...


Allowing it to continue without a public word of defense is the same as giving someone a "pass" or ignoring what they do.
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Allowing it to continue without a public word of defense is the same as giving someone a "pass" or ignoring what they do.


You mean like many here did for many years for him?
He sure has a lot of green...

I have never rated anyone negatively.
Why should he have been different?
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Originally posted by Boondawg:

It's the default setting.


So is crapping our drawers.

 
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If I don't care a wit about someone, why would I bother rating them?


Even if you "don't care a wit" about Stan, I believe you do care about people being trod upon. I think you care a lot.

IMO it's best to take the necessary steps to prevent the abuse, rather than to simply bemoan the results.
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You mean like many here did for many years for him?
He sure has a lot of green...

I have never rated anyone negatively.
Why should he have been different?


The question is how many of those green are from currently active members? He has 420 some odd ratings currently. Last I looked there was only 37 members currently active on the forum (as in at this very moment I wrote this). There were only 213 posts yesterday from members and that doesn't mean 213 different members posted, it means 213 members submitted a new post. 20 of those posts could have been from the same member. That's the whole reason Cliff created the trending system, because people were insulated behind positives from members that don't even visit the forum anymore. But, whatever, keep calling foul and not realizing that the forum doesn't have that many active members and that much traffic even though Cliff has posted about that very thing.

I have 117 ratings. I bet if I could look at a list of who gave me those ratings, we would find at least half of those are from members that are now inactive.

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IMO it's best to take the necessary steps to prevent the abuse, rather than to simply bemoan the results.


I have never rated anyone negatively.
Why should he have been different?
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Originally posted by Boondawg:
Never said I did.
Oh, don't confuse my outside observations as a declaration of perfection within myself.
I point the same finger at me.

I'm probably the worst at all of it....but maybe we can learn from stuff like this, too.
We just gotta' look.


Too hot out to learn today.

For the record I hold a Marine to a higher standard not give him slack .
Some like to preface their remarks to him with"I appreciate your service"
I don't appreciate his service. I think he embarrases the Corps.
He is a self promoter of the worst kind.. Tell us again about the poor black kids or the autistic children Stan.
Stan is a disgrace.

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And let's not forget, we have not yet determined weather MJ is in fact a traitor or not!
What do we do, ask?

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Originally posted by Boondawg:


I have never rated anyone negatively.
Why should he have been different?


You've already expressed your own concerns about not doing anything. Not that he should have been different, but the danger you discuss is your default response.

 
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And some good men here allowed it (without a public word of defense for the wrongly accused), not out of truth, justice, or The American Way, but out of weather they liked the person being falsely accused/attacked.
We've all seen that, too.

All you have to do to see how dangerous that kind of thing is, is pick up a History book...


 
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I'm probably the worst at all of it....but maybe we can learn from stuff like this, too.
We just gotta' look.


Judging by these statements, you've already answered your question.
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Originally posted by Boondawg:

I have never rated anyone negatively.


Does that imply that no one here in your opinion has ever deserved to be shown the door?

 
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Why should he have been different?


That's entirely up to you.

IMO, Stan's no different than at least a half dozen other ex-members who demonstrated over and over and over again that they couldn't play well with others.
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And let's not forget, we have not yet determined weather MJ is in fact a traitor or not!
What do we do, ask?


Well, you know how I feel about answering a direct question.

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Does that imply that no one here in your opinion has ever deserved to be shown the door?.


I'm actually trying to remember if I ever wished someone wasn't here...

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I'm actually trying to remember if I ever wished someone wasn't here...


WD88?
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Well, you know how I feel about answering a direct question.


But can we trust a suspected traitor?

From his previous posts, I suspect Stan was more about opinion, and less about fact...
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WD88?


I don't remember.
It is possible.

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Boonie... You and I have bickered. This is not one of those times. Never negged you.

Now, this is me being comfortable with just who I am. Not perfect, but very cozy being Tony Kania. You often tell *suggest* how I should conduct myself on this forum. Fine. But it changes nothing. I believe that you think my moral compass is skewed. Feel free to reread all the good I have posted about over the years. Or not. It changes nothing. You have never walked in my shoes. Nor I yours.

My point being is that I do not wish to be you, stan, or anyone else. I only want to be me.
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I'm actually trying to remember if I ever wished someone wasn't here...


I'm going to attribute that more to a memory issue than anything else.
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Boonie... You and I have bickered. This is not one of those times. Never negged you.

Now, this is me being comfortable with just who I am. Not perfect, but very cozy being Tony Kania. You often tell *suggest* how I should conduct myself on this forum. Fine. But it changes nothing. I believe that you think my moral compass is skewed. Feel free to reread all the good I have posted about over the years. Or not. It changes nothing. You have never walked in my shoes. Nor I yours.

My point being is that I do not wish to be you, stan, or anyone else. I only want to be me.



This has been a public service announcement. LOL

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I'm going to attribute that more to a memory issue than anything else.


Can't say as I blame ya'.
That's what my money's on!
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Everybody else has their torches lit and pitchforks in hand and carrying a pot of hot tar and bag of feathers.


I have to give props for Boonie for not just getting into the mob.


Me? It isn't what Stan has said that I gave him a neg (which was long ago), and it hasn't nothing to do with his hatred of others either. What a man says and what a man does is two different things in my book and I put more weight on what a person does. When Stan bragged about going through a lot of mail order brides as if they were nothing but sex toys to throw away, that did it for me.

Stan feels he deserves respect and honor for being in the military, a christian and a god fearing patriot of the USA. To me, if you treat women like crap and take advantage and use women like he does, then he has no honor and deserves no respect. I know it is just me and just a deeply held value that I have, but I have no respect for dirty old men who take advantage of poor women from other countries just to be used as sex toys and thrown away.

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But can we trust a suspected traitor?


I suspect you can, even with your life.. (and most certainly with your wife.)

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I suspect you can, even with your life.. (and most certainly with your wife.)


In this case, I suspect that as well.
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What a man says and what a man does is two different things in my book and I put more weight on what a person does. When Stan bragged about going through a lot of mail order brides as if they were nothing but sex toys to throw away, that did it for me.

To me, if you treat women like crap and take advantage and use women like he does, then he has no honor and deserves no respect. I know it is just me and just a deeply held value that I have, but I have no respect for dirty old men who take advantage of poor women from other countries just to be used as sex toys and thrown away.


Interesting. What I dismissed as typical bullsh!t male bravado was what you keyed on as something worthwhile to judge Stan by. I was more concerned with how his hateful diatribes would make his "targets" feel as they read that endless drivel here. I knew his hateful diatribes were real, as I could see them for myself. The "mail order brides"? I suspect for the most part they were nothing but Stan's imagination.
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it's been a couple of months since i've posted here.
to those of you who have recently begun to reevaluated their opinion of stan, i say this:

what took you so long? are you so blinded by your prejudices that you could not see him for what he is?

as for boondawg's unwillingness to neg, while i disagree with his position, i see it this way:

boodawg has always waged an absolute, no-hold-barred, one-man war against negativity. negging someone goes against the nature of who he tries to be.

to boondawg: the only thing that is necessary for evil to succeed is for good men to do...._______

DANG! IBTL by a hair! a fine one! a red frog hair!

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Last I looked there was only 37 members currently active on the forum (as in at this very moment I wrote this). There were only 213 posts yesterday from members and that doesn't mean 213 different members posted, it means 213 members submitted a new post.


Actually, it does mean 213 different members posted a message yesterday. So there were probably between 500 - 1,000 new messages posted yesterday. On a sunday. About the 37 members, that means there were 37 members logged at that point in time. There are many more people not logged in.

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Originally posted by Khw:


Last I looked there was only 37 members currently active on the forum (as in at this very moment I wrote this). There were only 213 posts yesterday from members and that doesn't mean 213 different members posted, it means 213 members submitted a new post.


Actually, it does mean 213 different members posted a message yesterday. So there were probably between 500 - 1,000 new messages posted yesterday. On a sunday. About the 37 members, that means there were 37 members logged at that point in time. There are many more people not logged in.

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