OK Curly, time to step out of the trash can. This is not going to end, time to get back to the things we enjoy most "tweaking fieros". Your just wasting your time here, you can't change or enlighten those who wish to remain in the dark.
Wow, a guy goes out of town for a weekend & you guys just lose control.
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Originally posted by WhiteDevil88:
No forum can do drama like PFF.
Maybe so, but your biggoted comments then the defence of those comments have turned it into a soap opera.
You owe Curley & the Forum a proper apology.
Yeah I know you'll claim you apologized but an apology with all the insults you've used since doesn't really seem sincere.
And now all you other drama & degrading comments to try to worm out of responsibility for your original comment that you should have never made.
I gotta say, Nobody does Drama like Stimpy.
You made several posts before using the N word to try to push buttons to get some mud slinging going. Then you cry & whine about the results.
Apologize like a man & let it go. You also should apologize for trying to make it look like Curley is a drug selling pimp who mows your lawn. Otherwise you're going to be hearing about it forever.
Grow up, You haven't showed any measurements proving wills car is straight so we are in a stalemate, no evidence either way and there won't be any until Will and Loyde get things worked out.
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Originally posted by MstangsBware:
Pretty much hit the nail on the head. You want proof it's not flawed but you can't give any proof that it's not. There are more people that says it is flawed that have seen it then not.
You two guys are really screwed up.
Let me count the ways.....
1) Typically when someone makes accusations, he should be the one providing some evidence. The defendant shouldn't have to provide proof of innocence before the accusers have provided evidence of the accusations.
2) If you're counting people, several thousand people have seen the other 24 Chop Tops without complaint. That's a lot more than the number of people who, you claim, have seen a flaw.
3) We took a lot of measurements of roofs when Troy, Curley & DrCPU were in town. We also have measured every chop top as it was being built. But it wouldn't do any good to report that to a couple of people who have their heads so far up their a$$es they can't see straight.
You guys are so full of hate that you can't even see how flawed your logic is. This is the USA, A person is innocent until proven guilty not the other way around.
Archie, I respect your opinion. You could have done it without making some digs of your own at me, but anyone who has been around this forum knows that you don't operate like that. But filtering out the insults, I can understand your position. I did make a sincere apology to the forum. I also made an apology to Curly via PM. He obviously did not accept my apology, and continued with lies and innuendo about me. I'm human, and I do react when someone insults me, just like you do. Forum members can decide for themselves how they would react in a similar situation, and rate me accordingly.
Do you have any words for your pal Curly about all this? I certainly wasn't arguing by myself, and the comment about me being suicidal was way out of line. Hopefully you never have to say goodbye to a loved one who threw their life away, but if you do you might realize how cruel that comment was. I have nothing left to say to Curly, certainly not an apology. He had his chance to put it to rest, and he crapped on it. He can go to Hell.
Do you have any words for your pal Curly about all this? I certainly wasn't arguing by myself, and the comment about me being suicidal was way out of line. Hopefully you never have to say goodbye to a loved one who threw their life away, but if you do you might realize how cruel that comment was.
I do agree that an apology is owed to you by Curly, provided you gave him a sincere apology via PM. I am sorry to hear about your brother, I couldn't even begin to imagine what that was like for you. This thread isn't going anywhere, I'm stepping out.
1) Typically when someone makes accusations, he should be the one providing some evidence. The defendant shouldn't have to provide proof of innocence before the accusers have provided evidence of the accusations.
2) If you're counting people, several thousand people have seen the other 24 Chop Tops without complaint. That's a lot more than the number of people who, you claim, have seen a flaw.
3) We took a lot of measurements of roofs when Troy, Curley & DrCPU were in town. We also have measured every chop top as it was being built. But it wouldn't do any good to report that to a couple of people who have their heads so far up their a$$es they can't see straight.
You guys are so full of hate that you can't even see how flawed your logic is. This is the USA, A person is innocent until proven guilty not the other way around.
Wake up already.
Archie
1) 100s havn't seen wills car let alone 1000s
2) A majority of the people who have seen Wills car claimed it looked off.
3) I've never said once it was off because there are no measurements, I've only entertained the Idea that it could be.
Full of hate? Here in the USA a few witnesses and you can be put in jail. Witnesses can prove you guilty of murder. So our logic is flawed? I'm still not convinced it is lopsided but you being so defensive about something that could be such a simple and forgivable potential mistake doesn't help anyone.
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That's why if we posted the results of measuring the cars that were here for the open house, you'd claim that they were not measurements of Wills car. So your request for results of our measurements is pointless.
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Originally posted by jmbishop: 2) A majority of the people who have seen Wills car claimed it looked off.
But that doesn't PROVE anything. No pictures, No measurements = No Proof. What don't you understand about that?
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Originally posted by jmbishop: 3) I've never said once it was off because there are no measurements, I've only entertained the Idea that it could be.
So, according to you guys, I'm supposed to prove it's not flawed based on you being entertained by the Idea.
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Originally posted by jmbishop: Here in the USA a few witnesses and you can be put in jail. Witnesses can prove you guilty of murder. So our logic is flawed? I'm still not convinced it is lopsided but you being so defensive about something that could be such a simple and forgivable potential mistake doesn't help anyone.
The operative phrase here is "PROVE you quilty....."
This is where your logic is flawed. You haven't proven anything except that you guys can keep on beating a dead horse without one bit of evidence to back up your claim.
Let me give you an example......
I have photographic proof that your buddy can't install an LS4 without it being lopsided.
He claims that he fixed it & stated he was going to provide pics of the fix.
He hasn't posted pictures of the fix yet so, as far as the evidence is concerned right now, it's still lopsided.
Grow up, You haven't showed any measurements proving wills car is straight so we are in a stalemate, no evidence either way and there won't be any until Will and Loyde get things worked out.
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Originally posted by Archie:
3) We took a lot of measurements of roofs when Troy, Curley & DrCPU were in town. We also have measured every chop top as it was being built.
Oh, so now it's "entertaining" the idea that [it] could be off?
No, the use of entertain as a verb has more than one meaning, as indicated by this quote from Princeton's WordNet:
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entertain
verb 1. provide entertainment for 2. take into consideration, have in view; "He entertained the notion of moving to South America" 3. maintain (a theory, thoughts, or feelings); "bear a grudge"; "entertain interesting notions"; "harbor a resentment" [syn: harbor]
Please, notice Stimpy's feeble attempt to link his family member into this thread in hopes that I take the bait.
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Originally posted by WhiteDevil88:
Suicidal? Really? News to me. You must be thinking of my older brother, but he's been dead for 17 years this month. But really, that some funny **** to joke about. Got any good cancer jokes?
Please notice that I didn't take the bait.
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Originally posted by madcurl:
Suicide; the metaphorical sense of "willful destruction of one's self-interest".
Your own "willful self destruction" caused Golden Gate Fiero to dismiss your application, remember?
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Thank you. If I may add, I didn't want to appear I was in agreement with the thread in any form, so I used a "abjective" instead of a verb.
en•ter•tain•ing–adjective affording entertainment; amusing; diverting: We spent an entertaining evening at the theater. Adjective agreeably diverting; "an entertaining puppet show"; "films should be entertaining"
Indeed, this [thread] "an entertaining puppet show." We've spent an entertaining evening regarding this thread."
1) Typically when someone makes accusations, he should be the one providing some evidence. The defendant shouldn't have to provide proof of innocence before the accusers have provided evidence of the accusations.
2) If you're counting people, several thousand people have seen the other 24 Chop Tops without complaint. That's a lot more than the number of people who, you claim, have seen a flaw.
3) We took a lot of measurements of roofs when Troy, Curley & DrCPU were in town. We also have measured every chop top as it was being built. But it wouldn't do any good to report that to a couple of people who have their heads so far up their a$$es they can't see straight.
You guys are so full of hate that you can't even see how flawed your logic is. This is the USA, A person is innocent until proven guilty not the other way around.
Wake up already.
Archie
Hate is a 4 letter work that starts with H and ends with E.
The operative phrase here is "PROVE you quilty....."
This is where your logic is flawed. You haven't proven anything except that you guys can keep on beating a dead horse without one bit of evidence to back up your claim.
Let me give you an example......
I have photographic proof that your buddy can't install an LS4 without it being lopsided.
He claims that he fixed it & stated he was going to provide pics of the fix.
He hasn't posted pictures of the fix yet so, as far as the evidence is concerned right now, it's still lopsided.
Do you understand yet?
Archie
We aren't beating any horses.
Your bringing up the LS4? You have to be kidding me. You of all people should know what a simple fix thats is.
Your bringing up the LS4? You have to be kidding me. You of all people should know what a simple fix thats is.
You still don't understand do you?
Your buddys lopsided LS4 swap was pointed out as an example that the burden of proof is part of the job of the accuser & not the defendant.
I accused your buddy of building a lopsided LS4 swap, I provided proof of my accusation. He admitted that it was in fact lopsided. End of Case, Due process is served.
You guys claimed I had built a lopsided chop top, you provided no proof or evidence to support your claim. When asked for proof of your accusations, you said you didn't have any. Then you turned around & tried to put the burden of proof on us.
Sorry dude, the burden of proof belongs to the accuser NOT the accused.
So provide some compelling proof or dis-continue the Libelous accusations.
The operative phrase here is "PROVE you quilty....."
Let me give you an example......
I have photographic proof that your buddy can't install an LS4 without it being lopsided.
He claims that he fixed it & stated he was going to provide pics of the fix.
He hasn't posted pictures of the fix yet so, as far as the evidence is concerned right now, it's still lopsided.
Do you understand yet?
Archie
I missed this part being I only read about 2 words of what you type then move on.
I did fix the engine from being lope sided from side to side but when doing so it moved the crank end of the motor up. It moved it enough that I wasn't happy with the way is looks. So I made another mount to lower the engine level but haven't put the motor back on the cradle yet but might get to it this weekend. It will get done soon enough but I am in no big hurry to get it going. When the swap is complete it will be straight in the engine bay and of course be faster than anything you have ever put together but thats a given.
See--This is the differance between me and yourself. I will admit when I am wrong and that something in my work isn't right and I will take others advice to improve on it. You on the other hand take offense to anything negative said about your work and don't learn from your mistakes.
I posted a picture of my DD 3800SC swap that has been on the road for 2.5 year with 35K on the swap and is faster than any V-8 you ever built. If you want to help me out then point out a few things on it that needs corrected. I am always up for improvement unlike you.
Originally posted by madcurl: There is no such thing as "Urine drinking Monkey false god either, right? Yet, Stimpy "cracked" and went "A-WALL."
Psychology (Doctor): I don't have a degree in this field, remember?
Sociology; Areas studied in sociology range from the analysis of brief contacts between anonymous individuals on the street. In this case, my brief contact with Stimpy, anonymous Fiero Insurgents and their "sociological warfare" with V8Archie are valid.
Fastback 86, I can't help it if you took every analogy, metaphorical, and pictures seriously. This subject isn't covered in college; you need years of street smarts to get people to "crack" using just a picture.
In your case Fastback 86 you were ambushed by me using the word “Sociology” instead of using psychology.
No, you're just an idiot. Thank you for admitting as much, even if it was roundabout. You're still wrong, and you can't talk your way out of it. Hope your "street smarts" taught you a graceful way out of a situation you can't bullshit your way out of.
Your buddys lopsided LS4 swap was pointed out as an example that the burden of proof is part of the job of the accuser & not the defendant.
I accused your buddy of building a lopsided LS4 swap, I provided proof of my accusation. He admitted that it was in fact lopsided. End of Case, Due process is served.
You guys claimed I had built a lopsided chop top, you provided no proof or evidence to support your claim. When asked for proof of your accusations, you said you didn't have any. Then you turned around & tried to put the burden of proof on us.
Sorry dude, the burden of proof belongs to the accuser NOT the accused.
So provide some compelling proof or dis-continue the Libelous accusations.
Simple as that.
Archie
My previous was sarcasm in response to your horse beating. Your the one not understanding. I asked for proof that others where not lopsided since owners of other chop joined in on the bash bishop party claiming I'm out to get you and have no right to pursue the mystery of a lopsided chop. The only possible thing they could have worth contributing is confirmation that there car is nice, symmetrical and how much they enjoy owning a great looking fiero. I figured it was relevant since the Chops came from the same shop. You already look dumb for getting so defensive over 1 car that will eventually surface and we'll all know the truth but until then go ahead you and madcurl can keep this going(the real horse beaters) then you'll only look like tools if will car is to far off or you'll we'll all look dumb for getting into such a stupid argument. One way we win you loose, the other we both loose. Just let it Die, we have accepted the burden of proof a while ago, it will surface eventually.
And you "fell" for it. That makes you what? Smarter or dumber?
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Originally posted by Fastback 86:
You're still wrong, and you can't talk your way out of it.
You're the type of person who would argue with author J.K. Rowling about her fantasy characters. The nerve of some young people thinking they could out smart an old pro.
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Originally posted by Fastback 86:
Hope your "street smarts" taught you a graceful way out of a situation you can't bullshit your way out of.
Once you've gotten your butt kicked, you no longer walk down that block for fear of somebody remembering your face; pointing and laughing at you (again). It is therefore important that you, "walk on the other side of the street."
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Once you've gotten your butt kicked, you no longer walk down that block for fear of somebody remembering your face; pointing and laughing at you (again). It is therefore important that you, "walk on the other side of the street."
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Originally posted by Fastback 86
Hope your "street smarts" taught you a graceful way out of a situation you can't bullshit your way out of.
Didn't think so. This has gone from amusing to just plain sad.
Didn't think so. This has gone from amusing to just plain sad.
What site has more drama? RFT or this thread on Pennock’s Fiero Forum?
I performed a recon mission; here the drama and propaganda that takes place in the caves of Pakistan where the false god recruits and indoctrinate weak men for battle.
Propaganda threads;
Grouchie will post new dyno results!!!
Madcurl, oh the irony
Cletussucks website
Browsing my ratings on Poopcocks
Oreif vid on youtube.
Cletus produces distorted chops now too
GrouCHIE running out of money
Nobody does “DRAMA” like RFT.
Routinely, RFT spews vomit, but rarely are able to handle someone who can play with their frontal lobes and teach them a thing or two without the use of profanity, racial slurs, or lies. Now that’s simply clever!
Fastback 86, there is no humiliation on your part; just that you’ve been out flanked and out hustled by an old pro and it’s not your fault…. it’s your age.
Live and learn.
(grumpy ole man says) Stay off RFT and get your education or you’ll end-up an idiot!
Does anyone give a $hit really if its lopsided or not? the real question should be...If wills car was lopsided(its an archie choptop right?) and he took it to Archie, would Archie fix it? My guess is he would, I have had positive experience with both MustangsBeware on helping me with my 3800sc swap and Archie for other things, and I would not hesitate to ask either of them for advice, or if I had the cash to work on my cars.
I feel dumber for reading this crap and all the rehashing of the past events. Why do people have to hold grudges and can't move on with their lives? It's better to forgive and forget than to nurse an ulcer from all the poison that is being spewed here.
Does anyone give a $hit really if its lopsided or not? the real question should be...If wills car was lopsided(its an archie choptop right?) and he took it to Archie, would Archie fix it? My guess is he would, I have had positive experience with both MustangsBeware on helping me with my 3800sc swap and Archie for other things, and I would not hesitate to ask either of them for advice, or if I had the cash to work on my cars.
btw, back to the daily trashcan'ing
I really don't care if it lopsided or not myself being it's not my car. It's just the fact that I mention there is a flawed choptop without mentions any names and no one can believe it. And when the person who did the chop starts in, the subject is changed 2-3 times by himself cause he can never do wrong.
Once a Thread hits the TrashCan it is open to whatever being said. So everyone be sure to put in what you think.
Originally posted by madcurl: What site has more drama? RFT or this thread on Pennock’s Fiero Forum?
I performed a recon mission; here the drama and propaganda that takes place in the caves of Pakistan where the false god recruits and indoctrinate weak men for battle.
Propaganda threads;
Grouchie will post new dyno results!!!
Madcurl, oh the irony
Cletussucks website
Browsing my ratings on Poopcocks
Oreif vid on youtube.
Cletus produces distorted chops now too
GrouCHIE running out of money
Nobody does “DRAMA” like RFT.
Routinely, RFT spews vomit, but rarely are able to handle someone who can play with their frontal lobes and teach them a thing or two without the use of profanity, racial slurs, or lies. Now that’s simply clever!
Fastback 86, there is no humiliation on your part; just that you’ve been out flanked and out hustled by an old pro and it’s not your fault…. it’s your age.
Live and learn.
(grumpy ole man says) Stay off RFT and get your education or you’ll end-up an idiot!
I'm honestly curious "old man," what's your angle? You make up a bunch of nonsense, reply to everything with off-the-wall analogies that really aren't analogous to anything being discussed, make several vulgar references, repeat ad nauseum until you irritate everyone, then claim victory? You haven't proved anything or out-flanked everyone, you've just posted the same nonsense over and over. I told you that stooping to Shaun's level reflected poorly on you, on the Fiero community and on the Fiero's image, and you come back with "you drink urine." Forgiving the fact that most of what you've posted is presumptuous, ignorant and mostly asinine, you still haven't responded to the actual points I made. What is it exactly that you think you've accomplished here?
And just for my own amusement, how old AM I, slick?
OK Curly, time to step out of the trash can. This is not going to end, time to get back to the things we enjoy most "tweaking fieros". Your just wasting your time here, you can't change or enlighten those who wish to remain in the dark.
"Dude", you should listen to your friend, I think you are embarrassing him. Stop huffing your own fumes.
I'm honestly curious "old man," what's your angle? You make up a bunch of nonsense, reply to everything with off-the-wall analogies that really aren't analogous to anything being discussed, make several vulgar references, repeat ad nauseum until you irritate everyone, then claim victory?
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Originally posted by WhiteDevil88:
I shouldn't have let someone so unimportant to my life cause me to get involved in their childish drama games, but I played the chump. I am sure that Curly received quite a bit of satisfaction from this.
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Originally posted by Fastback 86:
And just for my own amusement, how old AM I, slick?
What is important is, "You failed." You got "robot chicken'd" into thinking all of the analogies and metaphorical statesment were true.
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"If Curly revealed the source of his money to this forum, his bar would grow red overnight. Why won't you answer the question? Are you ashamed of the source of your loot?- whiteDevil88"
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------------------ '86 Fiero GT, 3800SC 4 speed 4.10:1, Mods: Downpipe delete...(that's all ran out of money) Best 1/4 mile: 14.34@100.52mph I'm a drag racing pro, just ask my wife Drag Racing Tip of the Month: "Try to hit your rev limiter in every gear, this will actually help increase your E.T., Happy Racing." -Bubbajuju Video Proof My Car Runs 14's
"Dude", you should listen to your friend, I think you are embarrassing him. Stop huffing your own fumes.
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Originally posted by WhiteDevil88: I apologize to the rest of the forum for allowing this person to goad me by bringing up aincient history that he knew nothing about. It pissed me off and I swung low. I deserve every bit of scorn directed my way. Congratulations, Madcurl, you pulled me into your **** .
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Originally posted by WhiteDevil88:
I can assure you it is not jealousy. If Curly revealed the source of his money to this forum, his bar would grow red overnight. But that is of no importance to what I allowed myself to do. You say I blamed it on Curly, that is your opinion. Curly proudly stated that he incited me to react in a poor manner, but I am still responsible for my actions. And despite what you think, I am regretful for those actions. I have learned a valuable lesson about making ANY comment in these types of threads.
Dude, you’re embarrassing yourself.
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"Nobody does DRAMA like Stimpy"
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Topic Closed
What site has more drama? RFT or this thread on Pennock’s Fiero Forum?
Routinely, RFT spews vomit, but rarely are able to handle someone who can play with their frontal lobes and teach them a thing or two without the use of profanity, racial slurs, or lies. 
(grumpy ole man says) Stay off RFT and get your education or you’ll end-up an idiot!
