I'm not sure what about his background would make him do the US some good in the world view. The "crosshairs" were on us BEFORE Bush was president. They were "on us" during the Clinton administration. They will be on us unless we support their causes--which includes the complete removal of jews from Israel and giving muslims the land. Are you supportive of that? Is Obama?
Here is another POV. If Obama is black, then he is white. Half his genetics are from a white woman. Me personally not being racist, I don't care if he is black or white. I just like to be scientifically accurate. However, since he VOLUNTARILY attended a black liberation theology based church for TWO DECADES, he has decided to approach life from the 'white people are evil, black people are oppressed' point of view.
Since jews are considered part of the white evil control group, what do YOU think his sympathies are going to lie with?
And THAT is why people are concerned about things like what was brought up in this thread.
Now, is Obama going to blatantly attack Israel? Of course not. He is too politically smart to try that. But is he going to have meetings with terrorist leaders, be sympathetic to their causes, and implement whatever policies he can to favor them over jews? From what I have been able to assess about Obama, who he is as a person, who he talks to, who he doesn't talk to, etc. I have to say yes.
Some of you might like a president with that point of view. If you do, you know for whom to vote.
BTW, at least if Obama wins the democratic primary, I will only be a racist and not a male chauvinist.
I think your reading too much into how outsiders will see him. I'm not knocking your here, actually it's a compliment, you are probably better informed than 95% of the US, HOWEVER , thats why you are the way your are. The rest of the US will just see him as a educated black...... AND if your in another country , you likely won't even know that he's black, just that his first name is Obama....
Point is , just because YOU are well informed, you can't assume others are.
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Wow. A reasonable, non-inflammatory political viewpoint? Are you allowed to do that here?
Your right , not allowed , - Where's 84Bill ???LOL -
Seriously though----- “I disapprove of what you say, but I will defend to the death your right to say it.”
the manchurian candidate is McCain. and Islamify? Why would Obama (a CHRISTIAN) want to Islamify the US? get your head out of your ass. I'm no democrat but it's become painfully clear to me that stupidity/borderline retardation crosses partisan lines.
The hate filled and anti-American teachings of Obama's Trinity Church are far removed from your typical Christian denomination. It is rather an extremist church for Buppies like Obama and his wife. This is probably largely in part due to the fact that Rev. Wright used to be a prominent Muslim, and even worked to acquire his masters degree in Islamic studies. It is no coincidence either that Obama's pastor has published articles written by the terrorist Hamas organizations within his sermon pamphlets. So lets see, you have an individual with a close affinity to Farrakhan, who speaks openly about his hatred for the United States and justifies terrorists attacks such as those that took place during 9/11, who studied Islam and has included political commentary from Islamic extremist organizations in the context of his church sermons. Yet, he claims he is "christian". BS! If it walks like a duck, and talks like duck, it's a duck! Obama and his pastor are not friends of the US.
Here's a lovely sample from one of Obama's Trinity church sermons. Notice who it is written by.
Originally posted by TRiAD: With a comment like that, I hope you don't pretend to call yourself an American. Calling your Commander and Chief a terrorist should be punishable by death or deportation - which ever would cost the taxpayers less...
...Freakin' Socialists.
~M
First off, I DO call myself an American, and proudly so. And I call you a Nazi for insinuating I am not.
Second, he is NOT my commander in chief. That is for the Army, dumbass. And I am not in the Army, so he doesn't apply.
I am sick and tired of you Nazi wannabes questioning my patriotism if I disagree with your fearful leader's stupid decisions. Next time, we step outside and settle it like men.
Don't forget Bush's good buddy Saddam Hussein, and too bad the youngsters here have done clean forgot about Daddy Bush and Reagan's selling missiles to the terrorists in Iran so that they could circumvent (treason) the law to send money to fund the Contra terrorists/rapists/murderers in south America.
No, this Obama smear is just another masturbation fest by the crackpot far-right nutwangers that have given the Republicans such a nasty, filthy reputation over the last few years.
JazzMan
Not to quibble too much, but it was Central America, specifically El Salvador/Honduras. And how come nobody ever discusses how treasonous it was for saint ronny to try to circumvent congress to fund the Contras? Why is that off-limits?
And I agree, the right-wingers are having coniption fits that Obama has the Democtratic nomination.
Whether you agree with every decision he makes or not, the divisiveness caused by your party's pollitical aspirations the last decade or so has done more to damage this country - not just from the rest of the world's point of view - is nothing short of TREASON. I can't tell you how sick I am of the saying "Mr. Bush" out of one side of their mouths while still calling Fmr Pres Clinton "Mr President" or "President Clinton" out of the other - it's a blatant and obvious lack of respect, and it has NO place coming from the mouths of people who claim to be patriots.
No, you and your kind have lost the honor it takes to be able to call yourselves Americans. You are the worst kind of coward - the worst kind of terrorist...You act on our country from within...Just like Obama and his followers are attempting to do.
You have a choice to make in this country; if you want to be a patriot, an American, you support your country, whether you like it or not. If you're unhappy about someting - VOTE ON IT. Don't spout disrespectful, hateful dribble and march in the streets and insult your leaders to serve your own needs and aspirations.
If you can't handle that, then handle being labled a TRAITOR, which your actions and your words prove that you are.
You can't have it both ways.
~M
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Originally posted by Toddster: No opinion, just facts. Obama is friends with a known terrorist (William Ayres).
Judge as you will but there is no opinion in my statement.
So, one guy gives $200 to a presidential campaign, and suddenly they are bestest buddies? Do you consider yourself best buds with everyone you pay money to?
Does the poison kool-aid REALLY taste that good? Inquiring minds want to know.
TRiAD is just the most recent example of how far the repubs have fallen. If you don't agree with him 100%, you are not an American.
TRiAD, go to Hell. I don't agree with you, I am STILL an American, and you can kiss my a$$. I am MORE than entitled to my opinion, I have an obligation to speak out if I see something wrong with this country which should be corrected. If I don't speak out, I could not in good consience call myself a patriot.
You're entitled to whatever opinion/position you want.
BUT...
Bash your current leaders and you lose the right to call yourself a patriot.
A patriot supports his leaders, whether he agrees with them or not. When it's time to vote, he votes his conscience. In your case, that means voting for "anyone but McCain"...So be it. No big deal.
But the actions of the liberal/communist/socialist/democratic party over the last decade or so have made this country a laughing stock in the world. A house divided will not stand, and our enemies know it. They are using our own political aspirations against us, by having the liberal media, the democratic party and others spout the same dribble you can hear on Al Jazeera daily. It's a travesty.
When you contribute to that disrespect of our nation, you simply cannot call yourself a patriot. When you disrespect your leaders, you disrespect our entire nation and make us look rediculous in the eyes of the rest of the world. You make us look rediculous in the eyes of our own citizens. Most damning, you make us look rediculous in the eyes of our enemies. Our enemies don't fear a rediculous foe.
...And I like your "high and mighty" post here, while you threaten me with physical harm via PM. Heck, you threatened me in-thread as well...Isn't there something in your user's agreement about that?
What a tool.
~M
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TRiAD you don't understand what a patriot is. It is not a brain-dead marching robot that agrees with everything the leader says. A true patriot sees what is wrong with the country and speaks out for change, and works for needed change.
For you to spout off about how people like me should be executed for our beliefs, then to back down when someone calls you out, proves to me that you are an abject coward. Like all typical bullies, you talk tough, but chicken out when someone stands up to you.
You're entitled to whatever opinion/position you want.
BUT...
Bash your current leaders and you lose the right to call yourself a patriot.
A patriot supports his leaders, whether he agrees with them or not. When it's time to vote, he votes his conscience. In your case, that means voting for "anyone but McCain"...So be it. No big deal.
But the actions of the liberal/communist/socialist/democratic party over the last decade or so have made this country a laughing stock in the world. A house divided will not stand, and our enemies know it. They are using our own political aspirations against us, by having the liberal media, the democratic party and others spout the same dribble you can hear on Al Jazeera daily. It's a travesty.
When you contribute to that disrespect of our nation, you simply cannot call yourself a patriot. When you disrespect your leaders, you disrespect our entire nation and make us look rediculous in the eyes of the rest of the world. You make us look rediculous in the eyes of our own citizens. Most damning, you make us look rediculous in the eyes of our enemies. Our enemies don't fear a rediculous foe.
...And I like your "high and mighty" post here, while you threaten me with physical harm via PM. Heck, you threatened me in-thread as well...Isn't there something in your user's agreement about that?
What a tool.
~M
I'm pretty sure the King of England was our leader about 232 years ago and the founding fathers didn't seem to have any problem with bashing him.
I'm pretty sure the King of England was our leader about 232 years ago and the founding fathers didn't seem to have any problem with bashing him.
True words of reason and wisdom in this time of mindlessness. Thanks. I think we all need to realize what situation our country was in, when it was founded. It puts today's squabbles in a different light.
TRiAD you don't understand what a patriot is. It is not a brain-dead marching robot that agrees with everything the leader says. A true patriot sees what is wrong with the country and speaks out for change, and works for needed change.
For you to spout off about how people like me should be executed for our beliefs, then to back down when someone calls you out, proves to me that you are an abject coward. Like all typical bullies, you talk tough, but chicken out when someone stands up to you.
Go to hell.
This will be my last reply to you, since you're obviously not worth wasting good argument on.
I NEVER said you should be executed for your beliefs. If you're not retarded, as you claim, you'll see I said (obviously in jest) that your kind of traitor should be executed or deported - whichever is less expensive for the taxpayers, lol! I DID say you were entitled to your beliefs; just not to the destructive nature in which people with your beliefs have been spreading them of late. State your opinion with your VOTE, and quit making our entire nation look foolish with your constant ignorant dribble. In November, you will be duly notified that you are in fact part of a VERY loud minority.
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Originally posted by Fastback 86:I'm pretty sure the King of England was our leader about 232 years ago and the founding fathers didn't seem to have any problem with bashing him.
I'm not sure you intended to imply what you did, but the founding fathers did NOT consider themselves patriots of England, but of America...(DUH!)
...Do you really suggest that the liberals in this country succeed from the nation?
Maybe that's best, if you and KT both feel the way you do. You're obviously not happy with the US asit is today. Maybe if you quit your childish bitching and succeed you can have all the free gay love and aborted fetuses your heart desires.
~Out.
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Thing of it is, is, a patriot will not support a party just for the sake of the party (insert foam finger here) but make his decisions on what is best for the country.
Thing of it is, is, a patriot will not support a party just for the sake of the party (insert foam finger here) but make his decisions on what is best for the country.
Personally, I think bringing some respect and responsibility back to politics and to our collective public voice would be best for our country.
Given the actions and attitudes of the democratic party and its followers, I believe that the best thing for our country is to elect someone not attached to (and sullied by) that party.
Really - Hillary people would rather vote McCain than Obama, and Obama's people feel mutually regarding Hillary. Divisiveness at its best. That is NOT how you run a successful country.
Liberals can spout "mindlessness" all they want; they're the ones being woed by the siren song of a LOUD minority via the media.
Ask yourself this; do you really believe Pres. Bush is "an idiot" but that John Kerry is some kind of intellectual? Guess what... http://www.boston.com/news/..._lackluster_student/ They were very similar students at Yale, and Bush actually outscored him, in total.
Now, who's thinking for themselves, and who's a media-led lemming?
Yeah...
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I gotta wonder what planet you have been living on for the past 14 years, because it is the reps that have been using ad hominem attacks on dems, ever since Gingrich and crowd took office. I can't exactly blame them - since they know they can't win the debate of ideas, then attack the messenger. And so far, that tactic has been working.
But I have absolutely HAD IT with bullies questioning my patriotism and my loyalty to this country, simply because I disagree on some issues. And I will not back down, NOT EVER, the next time someone tries it on me again. I highly recommend this approach to everyone, regardless of your political leaning, right or left. Don't let ANYONE question your loyalty.
Try having some loyalty - then no one can question it.
Seriously, who the hell do you think you're loyal to?!
I bet you're one of those jerks who runs around spouting "don't blame me - e's not "my" president - I didn't vote for him" etc. How's that loyal to your country and the system in place for electing our officials?!
I'll tell you how...It's not. It's crybabies crying about losing the last 2 elections and bad-mouthing the country I'M loyal to because they didn't get their way.
No sir, you're not loyal to anything but yourself .
To be clear...You know you're loyal to the country and not just your own party when you respect and honor the candidate who won - even if he/she wasn't the candidate you voted for.
At some point, someone has to be the winner, and that person has to be our President. Whether you voted for them or not.
That's what separates the boys from the girls, so to speak.
To be clear...You know you're loyal to the country and not just your own party when you respect and honor the candidate who won - even if he/she wasn't the candidate you voted for.
At some point, someone has to be the winner, and that person has to be our President. Whether you voted for them or not.
That's what separates the boys from the girls, so to speak.
The term your looking for is "Being a Good German"
Time and place. It's that simple. You question my patriotism and my loyalty, you better prepare to defend yourself with your fists, cuz here I come! If we were talking in a bar, you wouldn't get away with talking to me like this, so why would you think I would allow it here? Defend yourself, or apologize. Choice A or choice B, which is it?
Time and place. It's that simple. You question my patriotism and my loyalty, you better prepare to defend yourself with your fists, cuz here I come! If we were talking in a bar, you wouldn't get away with talking to me like this, so why would you think I would allow it here? Defend yourself, or apologize. Choice A or choice B, which is it?
I choose C); You grow a brain and chill out.
Do you have ANY idea how STUPID it is to threaten violence?! ...And on the Internet?!
Keep it up and I'm sure someone will bring Cliff in on it.
Check your "Terms of use"
"You agree, through your use of this service, that you will not use this messageboard to post any material which is knowingly false and/or defamatory, inaccurate, abusive, vulgar, hateful, harassing, obscene, profane, sexually oriented, threatening, invasive of a person's privacy, or otherwise violative of any law. You agree not to post any copyrighted material unless the copyright is owned by you or by this messageboard."
...Don't be a retard.
I'm done with you. You're obviously not worth my time.
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You're entitled to whatever opinion/position you want.
BUT...
Bash your current leaders and you lose the right to call yourself a patriot.
A patriot supports his leaders, whether he agrees with them or not. When it's time to vote, he votes his conscience. In your case, that means voting for "anyone but McCain"...So be it. No big deal.
Then I am for darn sure not a Patriot, and Patriots are sheep bowing down if what you wrote is true. I don't hate President Bush, I voted for him. Governments make poor decisions sometimes, you should never stand by the decisions if you do not agree with them, that is not freedom. Thats more than just my opinion, thats the opinion of the people who started this country by leaving the government of England because they didn't agree with it.
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The way this stuff polarizes neocons is just sad. The addage of "one man's terrorist is another man's freedom fighter" is true. It would behoove you to drop these asinine and pointless divisions and see things from someone else's perspective. Maybe their cause is not unjust at all? I'm sure no one would give a golf clap to Israel for bombing civilian targets. Then again, alot of neocons believe Israel can do no wrong.
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Originally posted by Jazzman: Don't forget Bush's good buddy Saddam Hussein, and too bad the youngsters here have done clean forgot about Daddy Bush and Reagan's selling missiles to the terrorists in Iran so that they could circumvent (treason) the law to send money to fund the Contra terrorists/rapists/murderers in south America.
loafer87gt: The hate filled and anti-American teachings of Obama's Trinity Church are far removed from your typical Christian denomination.
I see someone doesn't attend a church with a no-BS preacher. Its not far-removed at all, just slightly more colorful. Regardless, after watching the sermons themselves, I don't see how any ratonal person or even remotely religious after reviewing what he has to say would characterize them as wrong or extremely off-base. (except his pet theories on AIDS and black brains... you know, stuff that doesn't need to be at the pulpit anyway)
"God damn America"? His rationale is from a Biblical verse speaking of the indiscriminant killing of civilians and the innocent. America has no small amount of blood on its hands.
There is only one reason why terrorists would throw support behind the democratic party because democracy is counter to what America was meant to be. Democracy is evil incarnate, the scourge of freedom, the destroyer of the Constitution and will ultimately be the downfall of America..... as if America still exists.
Anyone who believes in democracy is a terrorist / communist, plain and simple.
The way this stuff polarizes neocons is just sad. The addage of "one man's terrorist is another man's freedom fighter" is true. It would behoove you to drop these asinine and pointless divisions and see things from someone else's perspective. Maybe their cause is not unjust at all? I'm sure no one would give a golf clap to Israel for bombing civilian targets. Then again, alot of neocons believe Israel can do no wrong.
Lets talk about why the IDF targeted civilian areas not civilians targets. At least be honest when you describe things.
Lets quote your report shall we
"the use of cluster munitions against built-up areas was done only against military targets where rocket launches against Israel were identified and after taking steps to warn the civilian population."
And to bring just a bit more of much needed intellectual honesty lets look at why civilian areas, not civilian targets, were under return fire shall we. Roll the video Johny:
Thats just the tip. See when your enemy is a coward who hides behind women and children and you return fire on their locations woman and children in civilians areas get hurt because the terrorist target want them to. Its easy for rubes to think its IDFs fault that civilians get injured and not the terrorists fault. Those cluster munitions are fired at targets who's coordinates are calculated from inbound radar telemetry. 20 rockets from an area and radar calculates that area is passed to the return batteries targeting system and retaliatory strikes are made.
So no your weak attempt to smear the IDF is nothing more then a real understanding of the situation. But given your use of the word neocon I highly doubt you care about understanding or honesty in the mater.
Israel is a POS. They have been a terrorist nation from the beginning and have never known peace because they have a big brother called America... Which I will have you know counters the Constitution and the charter our politicians swore an oath to uphold and defend. That country is so ****ed up they cant even get along with their own race because of religious differences. Fukin retards!
Israel is a POS. They have been a terrorist nation from the beginning and have never known peace because they have a big brother called America... Which I will have you know counters the Constitution and the charter our politicians swore an oath to uphold and defend. That country is so ****ed up they cant even get along with their own race because of religious differences. Fukin retards!
You should fit right in then.
Can you tell me exactly what part of the constitution having an alliance with another nation is counter to? But I don't expect any thing in the way of truth from a pathological liar like you. Yeah its the jews fault they don't know peace. Its not like they didn't live in the area peacefully before. I'm sure they started every war. It's all their fault.
Can you tell me exactly what part of the constitution having an alliance with another nation is counter to? But I don't expect any thing in the way of truth from a pathological liar like you. Yeah its the jews fault they don't know peace. Its not like they didn't live in the area peacefully before. I'm sure they started every war. It's all their fault.
Whatever Skanc... you are right, you always have been right and you will always be right. The problem with your thinking is your religious beliefs.I hate all religions and all religious people who use their belief in a good and kindly god then kill indiscriminately or destry freedom in the name of morality. These are not even close to something I would consider as good no matter how you try to twist and turn the destruction of America and call it good.
But by all means take a side Skanc. You can bet your life that I wont be on it no matter what you accuse me of. I dont like Jews, I dont like Muslims and I cants stand Christians and Catholics because they are tearing this country apart. ****in weak mided asshats is what they ALL are.. especially when they want to fight over whos god has the biggest dick. Israel Muslims Christians Religions in general and you too Skanc.
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You are indeed a retard.
And you a scared skanc like pussy hiding behind a keyboard pretending to be a man.
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