First off; Exxon Valdez incident- just don't hire a drunk for a skipper!
Second, why don't they build some refineries in Montana? Then the piping of the crude would be short and after you would only have the end product to move, in trucks or trains.....
Do they pump across the Smoky Mountains/Appalachians or go up the valleys and around the mountains with taps for destinations to the higher elevations, then truck it to little communities?
LNG/LPG and other finished product lines can cross mountains as it is so much lighter and less viscous than crude. Generally tho, those lines run East along the Gulf Coast and then up the Eastern seaboard. I know a lot of LPG and home heating oil was trucked NE one recent winter as there was insufficient pipeline capacity to supply the NE with it's needs and there was a lot in the news about it. Hank Hill made a killin that year.. You can poke around the EIA's website and get a clearer picture.. that's the same page the crude oil pipeline map came from.
First off; Exxon Valdez incident- just don't hire a drunk for a skipper!
Second, why don't they build some refineries in Montana? Then the piping of the crude would be short and after you would only have the end product to move, in trucks or trains.....
I'm not sure we have the excess capacity in either to move that much product.
The other issue is the life span of the Alberta oil sands, and that of the Bakken Shale. Refineries today are very expensive to build and maintain and there has to be enough crude feed in the area to ensure roi for the future.
That Exxon refinery that was sold had been there since before the mid 60s. Built by the forerunner of Exxon, Humble Oil and Refining Co, so it was pretty old, tho upgraded several times. It may have been one of the plants that sprung up during WW2. (Edit. Looks like the Exxon Billings Mt. plant didn't sell. They were asking 1/2 billion for it in 2016. Phillips66 is there in Billings as well and does process Canadian heavy high sulfur crude according to their weboage. https://www.phillips66.com/...ng/billings-refinery
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Originally posted by Patrick: ... I can agree with perhaps one policy that DJT endorsed. Every other policy of his regarding Canada (ie tariffs on steel and aluminum) did nothing but hurt both the US and Canada.
Bullzhit ! I felt no pain over the aluminum tariffs. I don't think the price of my beer can went up. Exactly how did President Donald Trump's policies hurt the US of A ?
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Originally posted by cvxjet:
There was a lot of people in NE, MO, SD, KS and OK who were complaining of Eminent Domain theft of their land for Keystone.....
I see that Pipeline as more of the Oil Industry saying, "We will take whatever we want- Don't get in our way!"
Kind of like all of the ED cases with the "WALL!!!!" (That Mexico paid for....NOT!)
First, what is ED ?
Eminent Domain theft of their land ? Please explain. My life vocation was on oil drilling rigs. Land was leased by the consent of the owner.
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Originally posted by Patrick: So, what of it? We both know the only reason why he favored the pipeline was that it would've eventually helped line his own pockets. Let's not pretend it was for any noble reason.
Did you see his income tax filings ?
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Originally posted by cvxjet: What would you do if the Govt and Oil industry told you "GET OUT!" and paid you 30 cents on the dollar for a farm that has been in your family for generations? You'd sing "Trump is great and so is the Oil industry!"
I wouldn't. I wouldn't get out. I wouldn't sing Trump is great. I wouldn't take 30 cents on the dollar, even if I got nothing.
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Originally posted by cvxjet: We need ED, but it should only be used in extreme cases- not just to line big corporate pockets- Kinda like overthrowing a duly elected govt in Iran for the Oil industry....But maybe 3000 people who were in the towers would agree with you......."Right"....?
Ok, I got it. ED is not erectile disfunction. Eminent domain.
Which duly elected government in Iran did we overthrow ? Your President Trump did not start any new wars or skirmishes, and, brought our troops home. Trump is GREAT, , !
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Originally posted by Patrick: Thanks. My insight has served me well.
Looks like I was three for three. Read 'em and weep.
a) Biden will win the election. b) O/T will be awash with excuses. c) Trump will eventually be looked back upon by Democrat and Republican alike as an abject failure of a President.
Your imagination serves you well.
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Originally posted by Patrick:
Give it time, Todd... give it time. As further information becomes available pertaining to the extent of Trump's total incompetence in office, more and more responsible Republicans will wish to wash their hands of him. It's already begun.
Gee golly. I had you pegged as our Canadian Clairvoyant Canuck. My bad. It's looking like you are more of a bullzhitter. You should delete that above statement and hope I do too. It makes you look (censored).
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Originally posted by Patrick: Full disclosure... I'd prefer that Alberta crude not be shipped out through the Port of Vancouver to wherever. I'd hate to see a Exxon Valdez type disaster occur locally.
Originally posted by Patrick: That's not what Cliff drinks prior to posting.
Of course not. Sarsaparilla tea with a couple of drops of truth serum works for me.
No comment Patrick ?
I sure hope you do not have to go to burning Canadian trees to keep your home warm and cook. Your house may catch on fire. Perhaps in your own backyard.
When did the Exxon Valdez oopsie happen ? Three months ago ? You oil sucking haters are whiners. All the while using fossil fuels.
Yep, following that money trail will always bring you to the people on either side of an issue. Unfortunately, Mr. Buffet is not on our side. Edit:: I could be wrong but, I don't believe trucks with that kind of set up have ever been allowed on US roads. The most I've ever seen on the road was in CA and that was three trailers and only on certain roads.
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Yep, following that money trail will always bring you to the people on either side of an issue. Unfortunately, Mr. Buffet is not on our side. Edit:: I could be wrong but, I don't believe trucks with that kind of set up have ever been allowed on US roads. The most I've ever seen on the road was in CA and that was three trailers and only on certain roads.
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If you put one of those on the 405 it would result in an oil spill. ****ers out here cant even use a signal and share the road on an on ramp.
You've been in Shaky too long, man. Your starting to talk like one of them.
Nothing prepared me for 3 - 4 hours a day stuck in traffic, the first week I was rear ended... Hell has found its highway. Then they didn't understand why I put in notice and have been telling everyone I am for **** when they call for my work record.
Out here in Cali gas is over $5.00. No end in sight.
But to be honest, the now cancelled KeytoneXL pipeline wouldn't have changed that one red cent. It was less than 8% complete, had never transmitted a single gallon of product, and probably wouldn't have for another 18 months.
I bought gas yesterday for $2.89 which is 10 cents above the average for Texas right now. State Gas Price Averages State Regular Premium Texas $2.781 $3.399 Utah $3.819 $4.192 Virginia $2.958 $3.674
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