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In other news, an airliner from Indonesia has disappeared off radar by maryjane
Started on: 01-09-2021 11:53 AM
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https://www.cnn.com/2021/01...lane-intl/index.html
50 passengers and 12 crew aboard the older Boeing 737. This obviously will not end well. Looks like airspeed increased from 285 kts to about 350kts on the way down.
Flight 182 lost contact 11 nautical miles north of Jakarta's Soekarno--Hatta International Airport at an altitude of 11,000 feet while climbing to 13,000 feet, officials said.
The plane dropped 10,000 feet in less than a minute before disappearing from the radar, according to the global flight tracking service Flightradar24. The drop happened about four minutes after takeoff, it said.



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A couple of Conspiracy radio shows about the last one stated that patent holders (a dozen or 3?) from one entity were on the last one and that the beneficiaries of the patents lived in China or Israel (foggy memory now). Probably Alex Jones's guest was one of them. Yeah I know what it sounds like. I didn't invent the information so don't assail me, please. I'm asking if anyone knows of that?

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Don't know how reliable the source is but:

 
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Fisherman Solihin, who goes by one name, told the BBC Indonesian service he had witnessed a crash and his captain decided to return to land.

"The plane fell like lightning into the sea and exploded in the water," he said.

"It was pretty close to us, the shards of a kind of plywood almost hit my ship."
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Fisherman Solihin, who goes by one name, told the BBC Indonesian service he had witnessed a crash and his captain decided to return to land.

"The plane fell like lightning into the sea and exploded in the water," he said.

"It was pretty close to us, the shards of a kind of plywood almost hit my ship."


A plywood 737...
I knew Boeing had really gone downhill over the last few years, but that's pretty bad there..but not all that surprising either.
Of course, they are HQ'd in Washington State, one of the leading forestry producing states and plywood could be considered a renewable resource so damn the tree huggers, full speed ahead!

(it worked for Howard Hughes...once)
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Originally posted by maryjane:


A plywood 737...
I knew Boeing had really gone downhill over the last few years, but that's pretty bad there..but not all that surprising either.
Of course, they are HQ'd in Washington State, one of the leading forestry producing states and plywood could be considered a renewable resource so damn the tree huggers, full speed ahead!

(it worked for Howard Hughes...once)


The article says the plane was 26 years old. I'm thinking the plywood back then wasn't as good as today.
My heart goes out to the families of the passengers and crew.

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Originally posted by blackrams:


The article says the plane was 26 years old. I'm thinking the plywood back then wasn't as good as today.
My heart goes out to the families of the passengers and crew.

Rams

I was thinking the exact opposite. Today's plywood is crap.

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It was a Mosquito self-identifying as a 737.
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"It was pretty close to us, the shards of a kind of plywood almost hit my ship."


Don't they use some sort of foam sandwich insulation or board in some areas of aircraft?
Bulkheads? Floorboards - especially between cabin and cargo area?

Depending upon the color of the foam, it might be what he saw.

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Report this Post01-09-2021 04:28 PM Click Here to See the Profile for maryjaneSend a Private Message to maryjaneEdit/Delete MessageReply w/QuoteDirect Link to This Post
LOTS of insulation of different kinds. Both for sound and temperature control.

I've been away from aviation for a long time so I don't know what they use exactly. Probably whatever is lightest
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Last I saw (20 years ago) it was mostly urathane. yellow/orange in color.
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Watching this one too. Details are sketchy at best right now.
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Report this Post01-09-2021 06:07 PM Click Here to See the Profile for JonesySend a Private Message to JonesyEdit/Delete MessageReply w/QuoteDirect Link to This Post


But seriously i hope it wasn't a crash..

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Report this Post01-09-2021 06:22 PM Click Here to See the Profile for maryjaneSend a Private Message to maryjaneEdit/Delete MessageReply w/QuoteDirect Link to This Post
It will be a miracle Jonesy, if it is not the catastrophic crash that is currently being reported.
https://www.cnn.com/2021/01...lane-intl/index.html

 
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Three fishermen from Lancang Island told CNN they heard an explosion and experienced a sudden large wave around the time the plane went missing.
"I heard very loud explosion. I thought it was a bomb or a big thunder. We then saw the big wave, about 2 meters high, hitting our boat," Hendrik Mulyadi told CNN.
Hendrik's colleague, Solihin, described the sound as "a bomb on the water." They said it was dark and raining at the time.
The men said they didn't see a plane crash into the sea, but smelled fuel and spotted debris. The men said they returned to shore to report what they experienced to police.

Must have been a relatively big boat. 2 meters is about 6 1/2 feet.
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Two questions:
1) Is there any reason to suggest that is was anything other than a mechanical failure?
2) Did old 737's have rudder problems?
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Report this Post01-09-2021 07:02 PM Click Here to See the Profile for maryjaneSend a Private Message to maryjaneEdit/Delete MessageReply w/QuoteDirect Link to This Post
Everything is on the table right now, but the 737-5xx (524 in this instance) is viewed as a very reliable aircraft.
None of the rudder problems associated with the much newer 737 MAX. Completely different controls.
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Originally posted by maryjane:

I was thinking the exact opposite. Today's plywood is crap.


You would be correct, being cute is not my strong point.

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Lots of sites have picked up on this now.
Apparently there are pics of debris, etc.

https://www.mirror.co.uk/ne...enger-plane-23289266
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Originally posted by Raydar:

Lots of sites have picked up on this now.
Apparently there are pics of debris, etc.

https://www.mirror.co.uk/ne...enger-plane-23289266


Some of those pictures look like people's clothes entangled in wiring harnesses. Hopefully, from the baggage compartment.
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Report this Post01-10-2021 07:51 PM Click Here to See the Profile for maryjaneSend a Private Message to maryjaneEdit/Delete MessageReply w/QuoteDirect Link to This Post
And, in other, (other )news, 2021 has begun 'out of the ordinary' for my neck of the woods.



I won't see any accumulation, as it has been raining almost all day, the air temps are above freezing as are the ground temps.

The last snow accumulation I saw here was late january 2011, which turned into the year of the great drought.
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