quote Originally posted by Jonesy: Neither does the current RIGHT. Trump is doing everything he can to get around the constitution in order to overturn an election he clearly lost.. His new "perfect phone call" clearly shows that. He cares nothing for the law, or the constitution, they are just obstacles in his way from getting what he wants. And it appears his supporters, both in government and not, are just fine with that. That's Authoritarian, not Democratic. I cannot support such things, and if you believe in the Constitution as you claim, then neither should you.

You believe the election was on the up and up, many do not, a decent size percentage do not. Hence the problem with your scenario.
You seem to be boxing conversations to try and give people no choice but to be put into your categories, that is generally a learned trait from the media, but in the end there are much more details to it.

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quote Originally posted by Jonesy: Neither does the current RIGHT. Trump is doing everything he can to get around the constitution in order to overturn an election he clearly lost.. His new "perfect phone call" clearly shows that. He cares nothing for the law, or the constitution, they are just obstacles in his way from getting what he wants. And it appears his supporters, both in government and not, are just fine with that. That's Authoritarian, not Democratic. I cannot support such things, and if you believe in the Constitution as you claim, then neither should you.

The pathway the Right is taking to object to the Electoral votes is Constitutional, and there is widespread distrust in the results of the election by the populace, I see nothing wrong.

Election integrity is the basis of our Republic.

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quote Originally posted by 2.5: You believe the election was on the up and up, many do not, a decent size percentage do not. Hence the problem with your scenario. You seem to be boxing conversations to try and give people no choice but to be put into your categories,.....

That is called framing the question / framing the argument, (or attempting to control the narrative), which I have said many times you should NEVER allow a Leftist to do.

Kudos to you for immediately recognizing it and rejecting it.

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quote Originally posted by 2.5: You believe the election was on the up and up, many do not, a decent size percentage do not. Hence the problem with your scenario. You seem to be boxing conversations to try and give people no choice but to be put into your categories, that is generally a learned trait from the media, but in the end there are much more details to it.

I'm not boxing anyone into anything, just calling it as i see it. It's called an opinion, you wanted opinions, so i shared mine. We all frame them based on what we know, and just like you, I truly know very little about whats real and what's not in this situation. All i know is Trump for years has been claiming if he loses, its because of fraud, even well well before the election, heck he even said it in 2016 when he freakin won!.. So, so far, zero evidence of wide spread fraud, they show none to the public, show none in court. Hell they won't even argue there was fraud in court. So since all we have are the word of politicians, and judges, none of whom i trust, so to convince me, ill need to see that evidence. If you have some secret evidence you would like to present other than the word of a crazy man and his followers, then lets see it... Change my mind!

When you disagree with someones opinion on here, you seem to be in the habit of attempting to pigeon hole other peoples words or intentions to fit your own personal narrative.

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You want opinions ? (and not niceties) ?

I'm now zero-tolerance for the left. There SHALL be freedom, one way or another and if the ****ers want war....I'm willing, broken as I am I can still swing a cane. Beyond had enough of the ****ers

Patton was right......."We defeated the wrong enemy."

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Here-here!