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Defunding the Police? I wonder if cities in Wisconsin still want to do that? by blackrams
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Multiple injured in active shooter incident at Wisconsin mall
https://www.msn.com/en-us/n...1bdvJ4?ocid=msedgdhp

I wonder if defunding the police is still a good idea.....

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You mean like this jerkwad ?

https://www.chathamdailynew...aB1d7e_aQzfK_OnbMs4Y

DESPITE the fact that right in the by-law in question is this...

[URL=https://chathamvoice.com/2020/08/11/children-under-9-persons-with-medical-conditions-exempted-from-mask-bylaw/?fbclid=IwAR10gVWRKJQEJChZw7OlgSn7WwjZttr2OhUt9CVhHI5pvG-exEkB21Zi5fU#:~:text=People%20with%20a%20medical%20condition,the%20assistance%20of%2 0some]https://chathamvoice.com/20...sistance%20of%20some[/URL] one%20else

"People with a medical condition, including breathing or cognitive difficulties, or a disability that prevents them from safely wearing a mask, will be exempt from the bylaw, along with people who are unable to put on or remove their mask without the assistance of someone else.

No person shall be required to provide proof of any of the exemptions."


As well as these little things called "Constitutional Rights"



So YUP !!!!!

De-fund them. ONLY let them have enough resources to deal with crimes (like an active shooter) and NOT to be social-justice-policy enforcement just because they decide they are judge-jury-and-executioner. They have gotten too big for their britches and need to be put back in their place. They are NOT a ruling class.

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Originally posted by blackrams:
Multiple injured in active shooter incident at Wisconsin mall
https://www.msn.com/en-us/n...1bdvJ4?ocid=msedgdhp

I wonder if defunding the police is still a good idea.....
Yes they do want that and more "gun control" so to get More control over everything by Terrorizing most of the people.

NYC, Philly, and others has a huge spike in crime yet still are Defunding the Police, adding "Bail Reform" and worse.
Philly cut Millions to cops and wonder why many cops still don't have Tasers etc. Plus riot after every cop shooting yet Many More get shot Every Day in Philly alone and you hear crickets.

Plus many are getting more "lock down" rules push down their throats that won't help.
PA and Philly just add more restrictions this week or today but will allow more "protests" and rioting to kill more businesses.
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[QUOTE]Originally posted by blackrams:
Multiple injured in active shooter incident at Wisconsin mall
https://www.msn.com/en-us/n...1bdvJ4?ocid=msedgdhp

I wonder if defunding the police is still a good idea.....
Yes they do want that and more "gun control" so to get More control over everything by Terrorizing most of the people.

NYC, Philly, and others has a huge spike in crime yet still are Defunding the Police, adding "Bail Reform" and worse.
Philly cut Millions to cops and wonder why many cops still don't have Tasers etc. Plus riot after every cop shooting yet Many More get shot Every Day in Philly alone and you hear crickets.

Plus many are getting more "lock down" rules push down their throats that won't help.
PA and Philly just add more restrictions this week or today but will allow more "protests" and rioting to kill more businesses.[/QUOTE]

Whoa, do you mean to suggest (as I interpret your post) that the far Left doesn't have a good plan?

Wait, what just happened there? That was supposed to be quoted.............

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Originally posted by blackrams:
what happened there?

operator malfunction

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Originally posted by maryjane:

operator malfunction



It happens.

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Stories say they're looking for a White man. Anyone seen a store video of this alleged White man yet?
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With regard to the original question: I imagine that the left sees their plan as an infallible system. If they take away the guns, this will not happen, and if this does not happen, we don't need police. Here, have a flower.

It seems to me that the nature of these events has changed over the last year or so. It used to be that the perpetrator stuck around until the police arrived then self immolated. Also, the latest batch of angry addlepates has very poor aim. The incidents are far less deadly.

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Originally posted by williegoat:

With regard to the original question: I imagine that the left sees their plan as an infallible system. If they take away the guns, this will not happen, and if this does not happen, we don't need police. Here, have a flower.


I lived right in the middle of it for 3 1/2 years.

Arson
burglary
B&E
threats
vandalism
muggings
Theft (personal and vehicles)
Defecation, urination and sex in public and on private property.

Cops wont do jack-sheet. about it. Write them a little ticket MAYBE and let them go. There is ALWAYS an excuse.

BUT, just try to speak freely (not politically-correct)
Refuse to hang around with those that irritate you.
Crack a beer at the picnic table.
Smoke too close to a building entrance.
Park for 5 minutes too long at a meter.
Drive 5 over in a "zero-tolerance zone"...(It's a long list).
Defend yourself against the riff-raff.
And see how fast the jackboots and night-sticks come out.

The PROBLEM isn't the criminals, the PROBLEM is the cops who are too busy being revenue generators and enforcing leftist P-C ideology to be bothered with crime.

Or of course, going to the wrong house to shoot a dog, but hey the arrogant preeks can get away with whatever they want.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk...ck-sex-offender.html

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The minority shooters in the hood now shoot at legs, buttocks and feet so they aren't charged with attempted murder. Some of that explains the non-fatal shootings.
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Originally posted by sourmash:

The minority shooters in the hood now shoot at legs, buttocks and feet so they aren't charged with attempted murder. Some of that explains the non-fatal shootings.


Oh, that sounds like a great idea. Injure someone so that person can come hunt you down......

While I hope I never have to fire another shot at a human being, I can assure you that if I pull a trigger, that barrel will be pointed at center mass.

What's that old saying? It's better to be judged by 12 than carried by 6.........

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The Sherriff just got run out of town...well, the meeting anyway.

https://christianpatriots.o...als-for-trespassing/
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The web page says the would-be enforcers are the NAZI Gestapo, but aren't they really like the Commie East German Stasi, the ones who eventually executed people for fleeing?
Did Hogan's Heroes popularize the characterization that just rolls off the tongue now?

Dig the prop-agenda of this website:

 
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'As the 1980s wore on, it became clearer that the communist experiment was failing. In response, the East German authorities began to look at ways to “rebrand” the Ministry for State Security. They opted to become the Office for National Security."


Hmm. Familiar, eh?

 
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In reality, this was a last attempt to hand the power of a unified Germany to the Stasi under another name. Legislation was even passed to allow this at roughly the same time that Stasi agents were destroying the files of their activities.[4]

However, there was a huge public outcry at the potential move. Combined with the discovery of the destroyed files, this led to the move being blocked. Soon after, the Stasi was broken up.

It is an intriguing thought as to what might have happened if the attempted rebranding had succeeded.


The Stasi wouldn't have flooded Germany with the 3rd world would they?

 
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Perhaps we only need to look at the decades that have followed the breakup of the Soviet Union. To some, Russia is still a nation being led by the same dictatorship that ruled during the Cold War.


Putin better start allowing American homosexuals to adopt their children again. That racist.
I heard a postal employee state loudly once that the Allies saved Europe. Tell that to East Germany, Latvia, Ukraine, Poland, Lithuania, Czechoslovakia, Belarus, Estonia, Bulgaria, Romania, Albania, Yugoslavia, etc..

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Originally posted by sourmash:

Stories say they're looking for a White man. Anyone seen a store video of this alleged White man yet?

Hispanic male 15 years old has been arrested as the alleged shooter. It is being reported it was not a random shooting but was a result of a disagreement between two groups or 2 individuals and un-involved people 'accidently' got shot, which I take to mean it was some kind of gang type thing with 'collateral damage' happening.

https://www.fox6now.com/new...-for-mayfair-shooter

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I'm sure his arrest was due to a combined effort of the Wisconsin "sorry your feelings were hurt" task force and the "let us try to work thru this together" special council appointed by the mayors committee of "sorry baby, it's our fault not yours". The police and FBI only stepped it to get the credit.

I'm positive he will be released without bail as long as he promises to be good and to show up for court on time.
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I'm positive he will be released without bail as long as he promises to be good and to show up for court on time.


Thats about how it works

https://www.cbc.ca/news/can...fundraiser-1.4370882

That was a block from my old place and I knew the guy.

Try to kill somebody bashing their head in, and all they can come up with is aggravated assault (Here that usually means you hit twice instead of once)

Know what the store owner did to "deserve" it ? Told them to leave and take their drug deals elsewhere.
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From the Fox report about the misstaken ID of the shooter:

“Preliminary statements from witnesses indicate that the shooter is a white male in his 20s or 30s,” Weber told reporters Friday. “Investigators are working on determining the identity of that suspect.”

The press isn't slow to finger a white person specifically, especially erroneously, or label them white supremacist. But black perps will be IDed as "teens" or "youths".
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So, they know there is a kid in the car, but shoot at it anyway.

https://www.huffingtonpost....1cd5c5b6e4b1ea49c907

Seems to me more and more no lives matter, you are all targets.

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It's not comforting that the police probably killed this child. However, if the offender has just struck one them with his car (which maybe he did) it's understandable that they shot the car full in an attempt to stop him. They're probably stopping him from running down an innocent kid/person/pedestrian down the street.

People go crazy and put themselves, their family and the police in crazy situations.
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You gotta know the area. It's lakes, bush, gravel roads, farm fields, and (closed) cottages. There mostly is nothing and nobody to run over.
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Yeah, that makes somewhat of a difference.
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Originally posted by MidEngineManiac:

So, they know there is a kid in the car, but shoot at it anyway.

https://www.huffingtonpost....1cd5c5b6e4b1ea49c907

Seems to me more and more no lives matter, you are all targets.



So, if I am correctly interpreting your post, you're blaming the LEOs for the death of this child?

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So, if I am correctly interpreting your post, you're blaming the LEOs for the death of this child?

Rams


Whichever one pulled the trigger (and ballistics will show). They had all kinds of other options.

Basic gun safety #101....you DONT fire unless you know 100% what's around and behind your target. This aint a paintball game where you just spray wildly and hope for the best.

If I'm out <sshhhh, be vewy vewy quiet> hunting wabbit and miss, hitting somebody because I'm exited and stupid, then I am responsible. This is no different. The shooter is responsible for where the bullet goes, and a job descrption is no protection from that.

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Originally posted by sourmash:

Yeah, that makes somewhat of a difference.




It's not about "safety", its about instant, blind, total obedience and subservience on penalty of death.

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Whichever one pulled the trigger (and ballistics will show). They had all kinds of other options.

Basic gun safety #101....you DONT fire unless you know 100% what's around and behind your target. This aint a paintball game where you just spray wildly and hope for the best.

If I'm out <sshhhh, be vewy vewy quiet> hunting wabbit and miss, hitting somebody because I'm exited and stupid, then I am responsible. This is no different. The shooter is responsible for where the bullet goes, and a job descrption is no protection from that.



Interesting. Somehow, if that wabbit came close to running over me, I doubt I'd agree.
Regardless, playing stupid games, win stupid prizes. That wabbit wasn't very bright.

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Honestly ?

OK, so somebody tries to hurt you and you open fire. Hit a bystander in the process.

Do you REALLY argue you can say "ooopppssss, bad aim. Sorry 'bout that" and walk away for more shooting practice so it dont happen again ? DONT work like that for you and me, and doesn't for (or shouldn't) for them either.

At minimum its negligent homicide. More so because they are supposed to have a high level of firearms training and competency. These aren't guys with fresh ink on the certificate walking out of a gun store to go go drink beer and shoot old fridges.

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Honestly ?

OK, so somebody tries to hurt you and you open fire. Hit a bystander in the process.

Do you REALLY argue you can say "ooopppssss, bad aim. Sorry 'bout that" and walk away for more shooting practice so it dont happen again ? DONT work like that for you and me, and doesn't for (or shouldn't) for them either.

At minimum its negligent homicide. More so because they are supposed to have a high level of firearms training and competency. These aren't guys with fresh ink on the certificate walking out of a gun store to go go drink beer and shoot old fridges.



I'm not going to argue that point, there is some validity to what you're saying. But, there is little doubt of your deep seated hatred for following rules and for those who enforce them.

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https://www.nydailynews.com...nt-article-1.2511683

Just a little more training is all they need according to then Police Chief Charlie Beck.

"Prosecutors are declining to criminally charge eight Los Angeles police officers who injured two innocent women after mistakenly riddling their pickup truck with more than 100 bullets during a manhunt for cop-turned-killer Christopher Dorner, according to a report released Wednesday.

The Los Angeles County District Attorney's Office said there was insufficient evidence to prove the officers acted unreasonably when they shot up the truck on Feb. 7, 2013, according to the report, dated Friday.

Los Angeles Police Chief Charlie Beck previously found the 2013 shooting violated department policy. But, he said the officers involved would be allowed to return to the field after additional training because he had confidence in them.

When one of the women threw a newspaper onto the pavement in the early-morning hours, an officer believing the sound was a gunshot opened fire. Officers unable to see clearly into the truck sprayed it with 103 rounds, and hit seven nearby homes and nine other vehicles with gunshots and shotgun pellets.

Margie Carranza, then 47, suffered minor injuries from broken glass. Her then-71-year-old mother, Emma Hernandez, was shot in the back but survived.

The women won a $4.2 million settlement from the city.

(plus $40,000 for a new truck since their old one was kinda messed up)
https://www.theguardian.com...unt-civilians-review

The investigative commission that recommended no charges be filed, said this:
The sergeant wasn't trained to oversee such a protection detail and there was no operational plan. The commission also cites the officers' inadequate firepower. The commission found that given the high priority location to which they were assigned, the officers "were equipped with inferior firepower and were at a significant tactical disadvantage". It said they should have been deployed with patrol rifles and possibly slug shotguns..

Thank God for small favors that they weren't huh?



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I'm not going to argue that point, there is some validity to what you're saying. But, there is little doubt of your deep seated hatred for following rules and for those who enforce them.

Rams


Meh, more of a deep-seated hatred of my basic rights and freedoms being trampled and the trampelers.
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