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What will be Monday's surprise scientific announcement about the moon? by maryjane
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Love-starved moon maidens?

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I have one of these somewhere, from 2002. hotwheels

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3ehTfK3oJck

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They found Jimmy Hoffa buried under the famous astronaut footprint.
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Nope, the Man in the moon is actually transgender.................
How we know you may ask, we have now seen the back side of the moon.


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That's easy and has been batted around for the last decade. They have plans to colonize the moon. Once they do so, they'll set up a manufacturing plant to build the next spacecraft. Getting raw materials to the moon would be costly and difficult but building on the moon might not cost more than building on earth and launching from the moon would both save money and fuel (that could be used to go farther in space). Great idea if they can make it work.
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To build on the moon you need fuel. Solar works for power generation but not spacecraft that travel to other systems. Now if they discovered water on the moon.......
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Originally posted by Monkeyman:

That's easy and has been batted around for the last decade. They have plans to colonize the moon. Once they do so, they'll set up a manufacturing plant to build the next spacecraft. Getting raw materials to the moon would be costly and difficult but building on the moon might not cost more than building on earth and launching from the moon would both save money and fuel (that could be used to go farther in space). Great idea if they can make it work.


That's the 'plan' tho who and how are the questions, but these folks have their own ideas...


The 1st fully stacked starship prototype (SN8), now has it's nose cone attached down in extreme S. Texas. No word yet when the test flight will be.



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Oh, Bang! Zoom! I just got this.
Earlier I couldn't figure out why the nosy neighbor from Bewitched was on the Moon.

 
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Oh, Bang! Zoom! I just got this.


All the older guys here (myself included) got it immediately.
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Originally posted by Monkeyman:

That's easy and has been batted around for the last decade. They have plans to colonize the moon. Once they do so, they'll set up a manufacturing plant to build the next spacecraft. Getting raw materials to the moon would be costly and difficult but building on the moon might not cost more than building on earth and launching from the moon would both save money and fuel (that could be used to go farther in space). Great idea if they can make it work.


Sounds a bit like the sells pitch for the California high speed rail

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Originally posted by sourmash:

Oh, Bang! Zoom! I just got this.
Earlier I couldn't figure out why the nosy neighbor from Bewitched was on the Moon.


Pretty sure Alice was from the Jackie Gleason Show.
If there was a Alice Kramden on Bewitched I was not aware of that.

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Originally posted by blackrams:

Pretty sure Alice was from the Jackie Gleason Show.
If there was a Alice Kramden on Bewitched I was not aware of that.

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What will be Monday's surprise scientific announcement about the moon?


Solar Warming happens on the Moon too.
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Originally posted by Hudini:

To build on the moon you need fuel. Solar works for power generation but not spacecraft that travel to other systems. Now if they discovered water on the moon.......


There's a company who's working on Nuclear Thermal Propulsion (NTP). If they can make this work (and most scientists think it's just a matter of time), it may be a game changer for space travel. The uranium is enriched to somewhere between power generation and military specs meaning it's more powerful than the average nuclear power facility and it's "wrapped" in something that further protects it. (I don't remember the specifics. I'm not an scientist.) If we could transport that to the moon then build/launch a spacecraft from there, we could get to Mars in about 2 months. I think the only issue in getting this to the moon would be the ramifications of a rocket crash between launch and space.

I think we're teetering on the brink of manned space exploration.
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Originally posted by blackrams:

Pretty sure Alice was from the Jackie Gleason Show.
If there was a Alice Kramden on Bewitched I was not aware of that.

Rams



(1) Looks like I should've painted an easier picture because some are repeating what my message was.
(2) Nobody here seems to remember Mrs. Kravitz.
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Nobody here seems to remember Mrs. Kravitz.


Not true.

Nobody here, besides you, sees a connection between Gladys Kravitz and the moon.

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Not true.

Nobody here, besides you, sees a connection between Gladys Kravitz and the moon.

Not true. Gladys Kravitz's real name was Alice.
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Originally posted by williegoat:

Not true. Gladys Kravitz's real name was Alice.


So everyone named "Alice" has a connection to the moon? I did not know that.

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Originally posted by Patrick:

So everyone named "Alice" has a connection to the moon? I did not know that.

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Why of course!

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Not true.

Nobody here, besides you, sees a connection between Gladys Kravitz and the moon.



You sir, are about the only one who followed the ball. And for that, a cookie has been reserved in your name. If only you like Coconut Macaroons.
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So everyone named "Alice" has a connection to the moon? I did not know that.

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You mean, Vince. Because that's his name. No more editing, please.
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You sir, are about the only one who followed the ball. And for that, a cookie has been reserved in your name. If only you like Coconut Macaroons.


Thank-you for the offer, but I'm afraid I'm forced to decline. I'm very allergic to coconut, almonds, peanuts etc!



 
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You mean, Vince. Because that's his name.


Attention Willie!

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Somehow I sensed coconut was a no-go.
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You mean, Vince. Because that's his name. No more editing, please.

Nope. He legally changed his name to Alice Cooper decades ago.
Also, I have edited nothing in this thread.
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It's only a message to Patrick, not Willie. Felonious editing. And for presenting a statement as new information when it was just what I'd already posted.
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Just about 20 minutes to go:





Who remembers this?

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Looks like they are all wet.
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Diet Smith of Dick Tracy and Junior's soon-to-be- bride.

(All the females in the Dick Tracy line had pretty big hooters)

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In other news, Southern Calif's water consortium has filed for possession and control of all waters discovered off Earth........
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I don't know yet about the science news about the moon. I see the YouTube video that was just posted here, but I am going to look for a news report where I can read about it.

On the same YouTube page, in the sidebar, I saw this:
"Parallel Worlds Probably Exist. Here’s Why"
 
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The most elegant interpretation of quantum mechanics is the universe is constantly splitting [creating parallel worlds.]
https://youtu.be/kTXTPe3wahc

I'm not "peddling" the YouTube video itself, but some of the Comments that were posted about it are refreshing. Here are some of the first that I see:
 
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There's a version of me out there [in some parallel word] that understood the whole video.
 
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Meanwhile, in a parallel universe: “Wow, 2020 has been a great year!”
 
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Meanwhile, in a parallel universe: "Parallel universes probably don't exist and here's why"
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Originally posted by rinselberg:

"Parallel Worlds Probably Exist. Here’s Why"
The most elegant interpretation of quantum mechanics is the universe is constantly splitting [creating parallel worlds.]


 
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There's a version of me out there [in some parallel word] that understood the whole video.
 
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Meanwhile, in a parallel universe: “Wow, 2020 has been a great year!”
 
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Meanwhile, in a parallel universe: "Parallel universes probably don't exist and here's why"



I'm sure many here will remember this episode. I am not a "trekie", but the original TV show had a lot to say.

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I'm sure many here will remember this episode. I am not a "trekie", but the original TV show had a lot to say.



He's dead Jim

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Originally posted by maryjane:

Diet Smith of Dick Tracy and Junior's soon-to-be- bride.


I do remember the girl with the antennas from the Dick Tracy comic strip (which isn't bad considering I had just turned eight years old when Moon Maid appeared in late '63), but I can't say I remember Diet Smith. lol What a name!

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Cookie Monster is on the moon?

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