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The faces of gun crime. by sourmash
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http://gunmemorial.org/

It's a sadly interesting site to tune into to see what gun crime looks like on the faces of victim and perp. Click on an image for a little detail. To view the suspected shooter you'll have to copy and paste their name (perhaps with location) into a search engine to see their face.
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Does this site include suicides?
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Does this site include suicides?


Not a jab at you: is suicide a crime?
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Not a jab at you: is suicide a crime?

Not any more, tho there are a few states where it is still illegal under common law.
(Usually, back then when it was a crime, the punishment fit the crime)
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Originally posted by Hudini:

Does this site include suicides?


It definitely includes murder-suicides. The site is really gun deaths including accidents where charges aren't filed as of posting, so suicides should be on it too.

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Not a jab at you: is suicide a crime?


Yes, punishable by death.
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Not a jab at you: is suicide a crime?


I was asking because when the anti-2nd Amendment folks say “gun deaths” the overwhelming majority of cases are suicides, not actual murders by a criminal using a gun. This is an attempt at obfuscation to convince normies to support more gun control. Murders by gangs against other gangs are included too.
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As far as those folks are concerned, if I get hit by a truck on the way to the hunting store for a pair of boots it was a gun-related death.
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I was asking because when the anti-2nd Amendment folks say “gun deaths” the overwhelming majority of cases are suicides, not actual murders by a criminal using a gun. This is an attempt at obfuscation to convince normies to support more gun control. Murders by gangs against other gangs are included too.


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Sorry... stupid site. Guns didn't kill these people, people killed these people. A knife doesn't stab someone any more than a gun shoots someone.

Every life lost is a sad thing. I'm against the death penalty. I'm also against abortion. I don't like shootings, knifings, spoonings, or hot dogging, or any other way someone dies.


This website is just complete bull **** and nonsense. The people who support getting rid of guns are either:

A - Are totally ignorant of why our Constitution gave us the right to bare arms.
B - Are blindly following this mantra because they've been told to and haven't questioned it.
C - Cannot explain why gun deaths are highest in places with the strictest gun laws.
D - Supports Marxism and understand the only way for this to work is to take guns from the citizenry.
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Originally posted by 82-T/A [At Work]:

Sorry... stupid site. Guns didn't kill these people, people killed these people. A knife doesn't stab someone any more than a gun shoots someone.

Every life lost is a sad thing. I'm against the death penalty. I'm also against abortion. I don't like shootings, knifings, spoonings, or hot dogging, or any other way someone dies.


This website is just complete bull **** and nonsense. The people who support getting rid of guns are either:

A - Are totally ignorant of why our Constitution gave us the right to bare arms.
B - Are blindly following this mantra because they've been told to and haven't questioned it.
C - Cannot explain why gun deaths are highest in places with the strictest gun laws.
D - Supports Marxism and understand the only way for this to work is to take guns from the citizenry.


And probably vegan.

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Ok, but the Constitution doesn't give you those rights. It says those rights can't be infringed. We have to stand on that fact, and it is a fact, because the Constitution can be altered. Those are natural rights given by our maker.

Also, the site shows who is committing most of the murders. And most of the White supremacists don't appear to be White.
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Originally posted by 82-T/A [At Work]:

A - Are totally ignorant of why our Constitution gave us the right to bare arms.



I usually bear arms when my arms are bare.

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Originally posted by sourmash:

Ok, but the Constitution doesn't give you those rights. It says those rights can't be infringed. We have to stand on that fact, and it is a fact, because the Constitution can be altered. Those are natural rights given by our maker.

Also, the site shows who is committing most of the murders. And most of the White supremacists don't appear to be White.



Yes, I know the whole argument... what is a militia, the "," and all that other stuff. The Supreme Court has ruled in favor of the intent of the 2nd Amendment MULTIPLE times.

Also, the Federalist papers that were put in the newspaper to create discussion on the ideals that would be used to draft the Constitution were very explicit.

Simple website to ensure we all know what the purpose of being armed and the 2nd amendment:
https://thefederalistpapers...ent-this-says-it-all


Furthermore, it cannot be changed. It requires 3/4ths of the states to ratify any new amendments... regardless. It will never happen.


EDIT: Tired of this argument. Everyone by now knows that we have 100% right to own guns. We're all well past that since SCOTUS has made even their most recent ruling. The question now is what will Democrats do, knowing that the "language" discussion hasn't worked? With the rioting they've sponsored and the crime they've created in their cities... gun ownership has skyrocketed. There is now something absurd like 3-4 guns for every one resident in the United States with growing support for weapons on both the left and the right. I'm even considering buying one... and it was never even a thought, and I didn't want to even be bothered with the hassle...

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When looking at that site ignore the 4 FEATURED pics at the top. They'll use old pics. The White-ish one (Weir) they have up now is 5 months old & has been used multiple times for some reason.

Rules and laws don't matter anymore. Just look at the FBI that won't act on obvious criminality at the highest level.
I'm certain you're being too flippant about what groups in .gov intend to do. They already have a record of the assault weapons ban and nobody did a thing about it. It just expired.

Emergency powers gives a tiny group of people all power over everybody and they will continue to infringe on your gun rights. No one expected a shut down.

Man's laws always fail.

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Defund Gun Control

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Every year over 30,000 people die from a gun-related death. The vast majority of these deaths are suicides. The majority of the remaining deaths are from the inner-city gang and drug violence. The remaining is Generalized violence and accidents.

As tragic as these deaths are, we have 400 million guns and over 300 million people in this country.

30,000 is roughly .01%. Not 1% and not .1% but .01% of the population.

That is exceedingly far from the epidemic that anti-gun politicians constantly claim.

However, every year, we spend millions of dollars and countless hours of time paying for, talking about, and implementing gun control laws that do little to nothing to save the 30,000 lives that are lost every year.

In 2000 Maryland spent 5 million dollars on a bullet ID program. The program lasted 15 years and didn’t solve a single crime. Not a single one. And now California is doing the same thing.

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Many Antigun politicians are in favor of a national gun buyback.

A national gun buyback program would on the low end cost the American people 3.2 billion dollars and on the high end 16 Billion Dollars.

Anti Gun Politicians also want to force people to registrar their AR-15s and Standard capacity magazines under the National Firearms Act. To register each one of your guns and magazines under the National Firearms Act will Cost you $200 per gun and per magazine over ten rounds.

Even voluntary local gun buybacks are a waste of money. In 1974 Baltimore had a buyback paying people $50 a gun for 3 months.

They got 13,400 guns. The city spent $670,000 to buy broken and useless guns that weren’t a danger to anyone in the first place.

No one is selling good guns for $50 dollars when you can take the same gun to a gun store and get triple that amount.

If you adjust that amount for inflation, that’s 3.6 million dollars! They’re literally funding criminals new gun purchases! It’s the dumbest thing I’ve ever seen just to say you’re doing something. How about doing something that actually works! (https://www.baltimoresun.com/news/bs-...)

Instead of spending our financial resources or human capital and energy passing, implementing, or enforcing useless gun control laws, we should be addressing the underlying mental health issue of suicides, the Underlying social-economic issues of inner-city violence, and the lack of firearm education among the masses that result in accidental deaths.

Doing this would actually save lives instead of purporting to save lives.

The DEFUND GUN CONTROL Movement is about divesting our precious resources from Useless and unconstitutional Gun Control laws and focusing these resources on addressing the underlying issues of suicide, inner-city violence, and accidental gun deaths AND Protecting the second amendment instead of forcing the American people to pay for the vio
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A More Complete Picture: The Contours of Gun Injury in the United States
 
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The story of gun violence in the United States is often told in terms of the tragic deaths that come with numbing regularity—an average of 100 gun deaths each day. But an often overlooked part of today’s gun violence crisis is injuries, and these nonfatal injuries are also occurring with disturbing frequency, with many more gun injuries than gun deaths.

Understanding the contours of these injuries—where, to whom, and how—is essential for efforts to develop solutions. The Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC), the federal agency responsible for collecting data to protect the US from dangerous health threats, has faced challenges with the expansion of its injury data collection, an essential requirement for obtaining more reliable numbers on this under-recognized aspect of gun violence. The CDC’s estimate for 2015 totaled 84,997 nonfatal firearm injuries, but this estimate was qualified by a confidence interval of 36,636 to 133,357 injuries, too large a range to estimate the true burden of gun injury with accuracy or to know whether year-to-year increases or decreases indicate true changes or rather, are an artifice of data limitations. In the face of increasing scrutiny of the reliability of this data, the CDC recently removed 2016 and 2017 nonfatal injury data for firearms and all other injury types from its website. Everytown for Gun Safety strongly supports equipping the CDC with the funds necessary to thoroughly measure and examine gun violence.

. . .

"Research & Policy Fact Sheet" from Everytown(.org) advocacy group; November 11, 2019.
https://everytownresearch.o...n-the-united-states/

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That last sentence, they won't fully examine the problem because it isn't PC. They fully examine the results only.
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Everytown is one of the Bloomberg anti-gun groups seeking to strip your constitutional rights under the guise of protecting you. They are not to be trusted ever.
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The main reason I put up those two paragraphs from Everytown is about non-lethal injuries, ranging all the way from the relatively minor and fully recoverable, to injuries that result in someone's being permanently changed (and not in a good way) for the remainder of their life. Non-lethal injuries and all of the associated impacts.

It was my first thought when I started to read that other message about "Defund Gun Control."

I am not trying to directly contradict or completely contradict the Defund Gun Control message, but so many kinds of discussions, whether it's guns, or Covid, or military operations like Afghanistan, start out with the number of deaths, and never fill out the contours of impact with the other dimensions of it. Beyond just the number of deaths.

In radio engineering terms--an analogy here--I modulated the Defund Gun Control carrier frequency signal.

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The gun control crowd loves gun crime. It gives them ammo.
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How seldom, though, that we ever stop to think about the guns of face crime.
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Gun violence isn't always an unjust action. Using it to halt or prevent violent crime is a worthy and justified time for the violence of using a gun, which is wholly a violent act.
The gun control crowd will use those preventative stats in a generic manner to infer it as one of 'the costs of gun violence.'
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How seldom, though, that we ever stop to think about the guns of face crime.

In to the sauce a little early there, boy?

The faces of gun crime are those of the Democratic Party.

The crime is their plot to disarm law abiding citizens and undermine the Constitution.

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Gun violence isn't always an unjust action. Using it to halt or prevent violent crime is a worthy and justified time for the violence of using a gun, which is wholly a violent act. The gun control crowd will use those preventative stats in a generic manner to infer it as one of 'the costs of gun violence.

Are those "preventative" stats (statistics) actually available to anyone? I don't think that there is a nation-wide system for recording and counting when a gun is fired to kill or wound someone in an act of legitimate self defense. I don't even know if there is a single one of the 50 states that does that.

Does anyone know different?

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The crime is their plot to disarm law abiding citizens and undermine the Constitution.


Once they make stealing oxygen breathing a crime, there will be no law-abiding citizens.

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Are those "preventative" stats (statistics) actually available to anyone? I don't think that there is a nation-wide system for recording and counting when a gun is fired to kill or wound someone in an act of legitimate self defense. I don't even know if there is a single one of the 50 states that does that.

Does anyone know different?


They have been readily available for quite some time. Here is the first result from a cursory Google search: https://www.heritage.org/da...-gun-uses-in-the-us/
 
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All of the law-abiding citizens featured in this database successfully defended their liberties, lives, or livelihoods with the lawful use of a firearm. These cases are not based on hearsay, but on verifiable reports found through public sources.




There are many more where that came from.

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I wonder if Bloomberg's stats include those cases for certain? Also, if they include the police shooting a perp?
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I wonder if Bloomberg's stats include those cases for certain? Also, if they include the police shooting a perp?

I just checked one, and it is on both websites; a male was beating a woman and when he tried to run her over with his car, she shot him dead. He is a "victim" of gun violence, according to the "Faces of Gun Crime" website.

The rest will be up to you and rinselberg. I already know the score.

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The do include suicides. I see Michael Craig, 60, assistant DA is listed on the 14th.
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