A good video and the message does have significant merit, tho like most things, the 'truth' about this issue probably falls somewhere between either of the 2 extreme positions that most people take.
A good video and the message does have significant merit, tho like most things, the 'truth' about this issue probably falls somewhere between either of the 2 extreme positions that most people take.
Can you briefly explain the 2 extremes? I see an organization with a slogan and a mission statement, and I see people who believe in the slogan itself. I don't see any other sides or middle ground. antifa are a different entity joined by some common goals. So for the purpose of keeping on topic I will leave out antifa.
Ironic they promote the constitution in the song. I didn't get much out of it except that the writer believes BLM is really about racist things done to black people.
one side=a long history of minorities being harassed and killed. opposite side= 'they brought it all upon themselves each time by not 'complying'.
Ok, I am glad I asked because I had a different train of thought in mind. Honestly I do not see your statements as representative of an extreme. Your statements are factual and easy for anyone to understand and agree with regardless of how they feel about blm as an organization or just a factual slogan. To be extreme, by definition people would easily disagree with the "opposite side".
Hey 2.5, not even the harmonica solo man? I nailed it in one take! The Constitution reference is that it is supposed to be equal rights for everyone! Not just some.
Hey 2.5, not even the harmonica solo man? I nailed it in one take! The Constitution reference is that it is supposed to be equal rights for everyone! Not just some.
I wasnt referring to the musicality Did you watch the vid I posted, and what are your thoughts? Do you believe what BLM believes? You say are donating to them.
Equal rights yes. Equal treatment yes. Affirmative action no. Defund police no. Equity, equality of outcome is a scam, unmeasurable, unreachable, and a tool.
If you haven't thought about these things and all you are talking about and thinking about is the police and how the media has publicized Police action as racist, I encourage you to look deeper.
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one side=a long history of minorities being harassed and killed. opposite side= 'they brought it all upon themselves each time by not 'complying'.
And the bottom line.....this is as simple as it sounds and would take care of 90% of the problem. Comply when asked by law enforcement. Act like an entiltled dumbshit, get what you deserve.
Hey 2.5, the donation thing is so that YouTube doesn't take it down, It is basically a disclaimer. The lyrics came to me as a tribute to George Floyd. I didn't like how he was treated. The video won't generate any revenue. The video was done by a guy that really dug the song. To me it is just about equality. The original concept of BLM was noble and has since been corrupted to a point. Relevant song though for these times if I do say so myself!
Fred, just out of curiosity... are you "Alfred" of Alfred Crescent & The Time Fly's? What was your contribution to the song? Lyrics? Harmonica? What else? Just trying to determine your level of involvement.
And the bottom line.....this is as simple as it sounds and would take care of 90% of the problem. Comply when asked by law enforcement. Act like an entiltled dumbshit, get what you deserve.
two words. Tamir Rice.
2 seconds. That's the amount of time that elapsed between the second the police drove up, got out of the car with weapons drawn, yelled "Showmeyourhands!Showmeyourhands! and "POW! Pow!" a 12 year old playing with a pelletgun is dead.
https://www.theguardian.com...rice-shooting-police According to information reported to the press on the day of the shooting by Cleveland Police Patrolmen's Association President Jeffrey Follmer, "[Loehmann and Garmback] pulled into the parking lot and saw a few people sitting underneath a pavilion next to the center. [Loehmann] saw a black gun sitting on the table, and he saw the boy pick up the gun and put it in his waistband."[32] Also on that date, Cleveland Deputy Chief Tomba stated, "The officer got out of the car and told the boy to put his hands up. The boy reached into his waistband, pulled out the gun and [Loehmann] fired two shots." According to Chief Tomba, "the child did not threaten the officer verbally or physically."[16][17][32] On November 26, the day a video of the shooting was released, Chief Tomba is quoted as saying, "Loehmann shouted from the car three times at Tamir to show his hands as he approached the car."[4] The entire incident happened in less than two seconds.[33] The officers later found that the gun was an Airsoft gun which had had its orange safety tip removed. These weapons are actual size replicas of real guns, designed to shoot non-lethal plastic pellets.
2 seconds..the car hadn't even come to a complete stop.
Hey Patrick, you are correct sir! I wrote the song, played guitar, harmonica and sang the lead vocal and overdubbed the high harmony. Some great local musicians did organ, bass, drums and more backups. A friend of the bass player who operates a video production company heard the song and really liked it to the point of putting the video together and getting it on YouTube for almost no $$$. I thought it all came out pretty darn good. Glad it creates discussion. I also have videos from My old band, "The Dylan Harris Network" and of course I have Fiero Fred on You Tube as well. Thanks for asking!
Hey Williegoat, thank you and about the name, it is because of the 2 '88 GTs I have and a cartoon character that used to steel Grand Pianos named 88 Fingers Louis.
Fred, when I watched This video that you posted in This thread, I immediately felt that you had a very distinctive voice/accent. (I still think you've spent some time in the southern States! ) And as it turns out, your voice lends itself very well to singing. You sound great.
It's unfortunate that at least a dozen songs/videos on This page are all named Dylan Harris Network. Makes it difficult to differentiate them!
Originally posted by IMSA GT: Act like an entiltled dumbshit, get what you deserve.
Being executed for “Acting like an entitled dumbshit” is a stiff sentence considering it is not against the law and no trial took place.
It definitely doesn’t reach the level of Death Sentence.
Especially from those who swore to “Protect & Serve”. And shooting people in the back is especially unacceptable.
The simple truth is, to a large degree, Black people are and always have been treated differently (more harshly) by police (and not just) than white people.
THAT is the over-due truth we need to work on.
As smart as I am, and as adept as I am at surviving anything, and even with all my polite manners and instantaneous assimilation abilities, I still wouldn’t want to be black while being pulled over...
Hey Patrick, thank you again. Yeah, my previous band was named after Bob Dylan and Emmylou Harris, 2 of my faves. I am with 4 new guys now so I named it after my street and of course the "Time Fly" LOL.....I keep trying to write about anything topical. I did a Fiero version of The Beatles " Ballad of John and Yoko" you may like to hear at some time.....Fred W
2 seconds. That's the amount of time that elapsed between the second the police drove up, got out of the car with weapons drawn, yelled "Showmeyourhands!Showmeyourhands! and "POW! Pow!" a 12 year old playing with a pelletgun is dead.
https://www.theguardian.com...rice-shooting-police According to information reported to the press on the day of the shooting by Cleveland Police Patrolmen's Association President Jeffrey Follmer, "[Loehmann and Garmback] pulled into the parking lot and saw a few people sitting underneath a pavilion next to the center. [Loehmann] saw a black gun sitting on the table, and he saw the boy pick up the gun and put it in his waistband."[32] Also on that date, Cleveland Deputy Chief Tomba stated, "The officer got out of the car and told the boy to put his hands up. The boy reached into his waistband, pulled out the gun and [Loehmann] fired two shots." According to Chief Tomba, "the child did not threaten the officer verbally or physically."[16][17][32] On November 26, the day a video of the shooting was released, Chief Tomba is quoted as saying, "Loehmann shouted from the car three times at Tamir to show his hands as he approached the car."[4] The entire incident happened in less than two seconds.[33] The officers later found that the gun was an Airsoft gun which had had its orange safety tip removed. These weapons are actual size replicas of real guns, designed to shoot non-lethal plastic pellets.
2 seconds..the car hadn't even come to a complete stop.
I wrote out a long response to this but I'm going to keep it to myself.
The only thing I will say is the gang violence in Cleveland then and now is why this happened. If you had your family torn apart by gangs and watched the destruction of families and communities in Cleveland perhaps you would understand. This was a horrible tragedy. You know what would have stopped it? One ****ing adult going over and taking the toy away from him, but no they were on the phone with the police. When the police got there it would have taken one adult to again take the toy away from him.
88 I wont respond here again as this seems to be off subject.
Thanks Patrick, when I get home from work this afternoon I will fire it off to y'all....Fred W
Heh heh... Fred, it's really good! You definitely captured the feel of the original Beatles song. Your version needs wider distribution. Would there be any copyright issues (due to the music) if you uploaded it to YouTube along with rally car footage from Targa Newfoundland?
Hey Dragon, no problem man! Express yourself as you see fit. It is all good man! Keep the discussion alive!
Its not healthy sometimes and I am afraid perhaps we don't see the same view in this discussion.
Choose your hero's well because defined by them you will be.
Remember you asked for it.
2 seconds is more than enough time to kill several people. I question why the kid was walking around pointing what could have been a real gun at people. The officers were not advised on the 911 call that it could have been a fake gun. They went to the park looking for someone that was pointing a gun at people. Gangs use these kids for a reason.
My Ex wife cousins son (that's a mouth full) is going to die in prison. First offence was drive by shooting, just random violence. He was very young at the time, trying to make his bones with the local gangs. The courts took pity on him and let him out on parole. Didn't even make it a year before he joined a gang and killed someone else. This time it was a little girl. I saw a picture and he looked like any other stupid kid playing games he didn't understand. Cleveland is a rough place and the first time he was under the age of 18. I know several of the police officers in Cleveland that wish they could have stopped him. You can hear it in their voices the very few times he is talked about. These are his blood relatives.
Hesitation gets people killed. Had this been a real gun and the cops not responded appropriately what would have been the cost?
I feel bad for the family and community. But again it could have been avoided. Where were the adults that day? Oh yeah they were on the phone with the Police. Evil people are out there and they don't look like the devil they look like the kid next door. The last thing you would have expected from that kid was for him to shoot your little girl.
Yes I would have shot him given the facts and knowing the history of the gangs and violence. I would have carried that with me for the rest of my life but it would still have been better than if I had done nothing and let innocents get hurt. Sometimes we are put in a situation beyond our control. Life sucks that way sometimes. None of us are without faults, we can over come or let it drag us to hell but we all respond in our own way.
I struggle over this response, it hit me close to home and left me with a knot in my stomach. I feel bad for the kids raised this way, I feel bad for the cops that respond to this kind of call. I feel bad for that little girl who will never have her first date, her first kiss, her first child, her life was cut short by a kid with a real gun.
Nothing good will ever come out of violence, but when left unchecked it can grow and its one of those things that at a point you can't control it. It sickens me this violence, on both sides but there has to be personal responsibility. All of this could have been avoided had there been just a little of that before the cops got called.
For every bad cop in the news how many good cops are having to live with something forced on them?
Its not healthy sometimes and I am afraid perhaps we don't see the same view in this discussion.
Jake, I don't think anyone should be upset that you posted what you did in the manner that you did. You weren't attacking anyone, you weren't trying to belittle anyone else's beliefs. It was simply a well stated, adult response. Well done.
Hey Patrick, thank you and the original idea was to use my own GoPro footage from the actual event but now you started me thinking. My video guy could easily do up a rally vid and overdub the song onto it. If it gets taken down, so be it, it would still be a fun project.
I feel bad for the family and community. But again it could have been avoided. Where were the adults that day?
Presumably, one 'adult' exited a police car and killed a 12 year old within 2 seconds.
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For every bad cop in the news how many good cops are having to live with something forced on them?
That, is part of life, and the same can be said of countless others that work in high risk occupational sectors. It comes with the territory and more often than not, is explained to them when they enter into that occupation. The vast majority of police officers (I still believe) are professional, committed, caring individuals that can and do remain cool and calm in bad situations but for the few that are not, they need to go.
Originally posted by maryjane: The vast majority of police officers (I still believe) are professional, committed, caring individuals that can and do remain cool and calm in bad situations but for the few that are not, they need to go.
I concur.
I wonder if back cops are just as likely to mistreat black suspects as white cops are?
Is it a color thing, or is it just a “cop” (good guy/bad guy) thing?
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I wonder if back cops are just as likely to mistreat black suspects as white cops are?
Is it a color thing, or is it just a “cop” (good guy/bad guy) thing?
Difficult to say. Studies have been done but the ones I've looked at are inconclusive at best and it's hard to figure anything about it considering overal, the large majority of police officers in the US are Caucasian. Some metro areas, the ratio is very close, while others, there is a wide disparity. Los Angeles has had it's share of controversy but their ratio is pretty good, while Houston has had relative few controversial problems but their ratio is definitely looking worse.
Is a black police officer more likely to try to de-escalate? I don't know. I think there is a long standing culture within some jurisdictions to shoot first and let the courts decide later. We do know 'things' are beginning (at last) to change but it has taken a terrible toll to get it to. (figures are 7 years old and have probably changed since this was updated.
Presumably, one 'adult' exited a police car and killed a 12 year old within 2 seconds.
You can blame the cops all you want but they are only a small part of the gang problems that have plagued Cleveland. As I said I struggled with posting this as this was what I expected, there has to be some personal responsibility. Cops and the government are not your parents. Cleveland wanted this to go away, they fired the cop and they paid off the family. I don't know this cop but I know cops and firemen in Cleveland that have walked into hell and came out without shooting anyone and then there are the others have not been so lucky and wont talk about it.
It was a tragedy that should not have happened but you can't dump all the responsibility on the cops and walk away. That kid like so many other kids were let down. Just like the girl in my example who was let down by the bleeding hearts in the courts.
I respect you a lot Don, you have been through more **** than I can imagen. But I am going to disagree with you on this.
Last response as this is a thread about a BLM video and this is in my opinion was not a race motivated incident.
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