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me and a few others versus the county. by maryjane
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I've been involved the last 2 months with some public meetings with the Appraisal District's BoD and Chief Appraiser and a petition I started back in late May/early June. We have a little newspaper here and I bought one a few days ago just to see what they had to say about the meetings (we were able to get about 60 people at each meeting, and they've never had more than 4-5 people show up at any of them before) but I found nothing about the meetings in the paper, but the nearly 1/2 front page was taken up with a big drawing and a lengthy article about...............................................................................................
Bigfoot sightings.
wtf??
And on the front page?
All the news that's fit to print indeed...

(I did see where the county has thus far in 2020 collected significant increases in sales taxes compared to the same period last year.)

According to a report issued by Texas Comptroller Glenn Hegar, the county’s July payment of $53,490.47 was up by $14,168 or just over 36 percent from the $39,322.47 received in July 2019. It is also the largest July sales tax collection recorded by the county.

The latest increase followed gains of 15.4 percent in June, 15.1 in May, 14.7 percent in April, 72.6 percent in March, 3.7 percent in February and 29.4 percent in January.

So far this year, the county treasury has received $353,402.08, which is up by $64,924.66 or 22.5 percent from the same seven-month period of 2019.


I will again be at the Aug 11 BoD meeting to make another presentation in a further attempt to encourage more ag in the county and goad the Board and Chief appraiser and her ag advisory panel to make changes that would encourage young people to get into ag (specifically cattle) and make it less costly to do so. Our county requires 20 acres to get an ag exemption for grazing, no exceptions AND requires 15 of those acres be cleared of trees, which does not fall in line with most of the counties in East Texas. Used to be 10 acres and nothing about 75% of the land having to be cleared open pasture, but somewhere around 1999-2000 that changed. Evidently the 3 person ag advisory panel at that time all raised cattle on open land and decided "that's the way it must be done cuz that's how we do it". It's only this year, that the county has been actively enforcing that 75% open/25% wooded part, and have kicked some people off ag whose land has been under ag exemption in cattle production for 25 years or more. The BoD got an earful in June and one of the members told me they were in shock when they left that 1st meeting & that that many people would "attack them" over it. Told her"Get used to it. I got one fight left in me and this is it..I'm not stopping. Lose ag in this county, you'll never get it back."
Having woods during drought and in the winter is like having an extra 3 tons of hay.
I got started late on the petition, just a couple weeks before the June meeting but ended up with almost 400 names on our petition (28,500 residents in the county)
San Jac County 1d1 ag exemption minimum requirements::
 
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SAN JACINTO COUNTY
San Jacinto County Appraisal District Agriculture Land Guidelines-Typical Levels

Native/Improved Pasture

Must be fenced

Water Source

Cattle

1. A minimum of approximately twenty (20) acres is required.

2. At least 75% is open space for grazing.

3. At least six (6) head of reproducing cows.

4. Larger tracts should have one (1) cow to every ten (10) to fifteen (15) acres.


Petition:
San Jacinto County has a very long and successful tradition of livestock being raised on forested lands, both in the US National Forest when the county was 'Open Range' and on private lands before and after the implementation of the stock law. During 'open range' hundreds if not thousands of head of cattle and hogs ran in and grazed the woodlands of the US National Forest of San Jacinto County, grew, bred, birthed and were gathered and hauled to market each year. There were cattle raised "in the woods" of this area before the county was created and even before Texas became a State.

Wooded land and the forage it provides is a vital element to the farmer and rancher, as well as any good steward of the land and nowhere is that more true than in the flood plain of the East Fork San Jacinto River. In the heat of July and August, when the native Bahia and common bermuda are dry and crunchy under foot, with very little nutritional value, the woods grasses, forbs and other plants are still green and growing, providing the livestock producer with an important supplement and often carries his livestock thru even the worst of droughts, as we all saw in 2011. The same is true in winter. Once the first frost comes, the Bahia is little more than poor hay, but those same protected grasses under the trees, withstand all but the first hard freeze, allowing the producer to minimize the tonnage of hay he has to feed.

Clearing land is an expensive and labor intensive endeavor with questionable prospects of ever recouping those costs via livestock production on the floodplain of the East Fork. The longer rivers in Texas such as the Brazos, the Red, the Colorado and the Sabine rise and fall slowly, often staying up for several days and in the case of the Trinity River, sometimes for weeks. Their watershed is of such size and great length, that their flood waters carry vital nutrients and trace elements. Those rivers' rise and fall is gradual, and just prior to, at and immediately after crest, the sediment falls out of the water leaving the land the floodwater is on enriched and more productive than before.

Those rivers, are a normally positive force in building topsoil and keeping existing soil viable and productive, and have been for thousands of years.

The East Fork San Jacinto River however is a short river, rising near Dodge in Walker County, flowing thru the counties of San Jacinto, SE Montgomery, NW Liberty county, and culminates in Lake Houston in Harris County. TSHA states that from it's beginning source to Lake Houston the East Fork is only 69 miles long. This river historically comes up fast at a high rate of flow, is usually out of it's banks for less than 36 hours, and goes back down into it's channel equally fast. During this river's annual floods, the water does not stay up long & there is not enough time on open ground for the river to drop much if any sediment, but the flow on open ground does present a serious and real erosion risk as well as leaching out vital nutrients and trace elements such as nitrogen, selenium, phosphorous, and potassium. The exception to that adverse action is in the wooded areas. The trees, vines, forbs and other plant life inhibit water flow, aid in the deposit of nutrients and the forest floor retains the moisture much longer than open pastures. Requiring a producer to remove 75% of this valuable asset is counter-productive to what this area has done for decades, going back to the late 1800s. Removing that high % of good deeply rooted ground cover is simply counter intuitive to good stewardship of the land and in this age of low livestock prices, the producer needs every bit of help from nature he can get. In addition, disturbing that amount of soil by clearing will result in every E. Texas invasive to spring to life as soon as sunlight hits the soil. All soils in Texas carry a vast seedbank of seeds, good and bad, Including but not limited to Chinese Tallow, Sweet Gum, and Honey Locusts, meaning the landowner has to embark on a life long battle to keep these hardy but useless invasives in check, either thru constant mowing or bi-annual herbicide applications, both of which are labor intensive and costly. This detracts from the from the landowner and cattleman's profit, which is already meager enough to begin with.

Yes, we can take the land from the forest, but the forest always wants the land back and it never ever stops trying.
It was and is the intent of the Texas Legislature to encourage 1d1 (Ag Exemption) participation in order to forever retain and encourage the rich and historical importance of livestock production thru out the State especially for the small livestock producer as well as other forms of agriculture. This important program helps the younger generation get a start in what appears to be a dying ag lifestyle and a loss of ag production acreage going forward. Rising land prices make it very difficult for young Texans to get started and succeed in agriculture, and one relief to that problem is to make it easier to access and qualify for 1d1. Our neighboring Walker County requires only 10 acres, Liberty County requires only 15 acres, Trinity County decides on a case-by-case basis, with only Montgomery and San Jacinto Counties in this immediate area requiring a minimum of 20 acres.

To that end, we the undersigned do petition the San Jacinto County Appraisal Board and the Chief Appraiser to reverse the requirement of 75% open pasture and only 25% wooded, and we petition the same to drop the 1d1 minimum acreage requirement to 10 acres.

I think I did a pretty good job on it.

Bigfoot is more important for a newspaper to cover than the future of ag here?
This old man don't think so.
(I am not directly affected by either the 20acre thing or the woods having to be cleared thing, but others are)

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Dropped my application off today:

Appraisal Review Board Service

The Board of Directors of the San Jacinto County Appraisal District is currently searching for San Jacinto County taxpayers interested in serving on the Appraisal Review Board (ARB) for the San Jacinto County Appraisal District (SJCAD). Service on the ARB would begin in January 2021. Qualification applications must be submitted to the Chief Appraiser and received no later than October 1, 2020.

The Appraisal Review Board is a citizen board that sits in a panel of five members or two panels of three members each with alternates to fill in as needed. The ARB listens to property owner protests that cannot be resolved informally with the San Jacinto County Appraisal District. Service on the ARB is compensated at a set per day rate but is not considered a full-time job. Attendance at an Appraisal Review Board training class provided by the Texas Comptroller's Property Tax Assistance Division is mandatory if chosen as a member.

Serving on the ARB is considered a full-time commitment, protest season generally runs from May through August and requires members to have availability all day on weekdays, on some Saturdays and evenings. Hearings may also be scheduled during other parts of the year as well. Appraisal Review Board members may not be scheduled every day, but should be available to serve if needed.

Candidates for the ARB must be current residents of San Jacinto County and must have resided in the county for at least two years. For a full list of qualifications and exclusions for candidacy, please review the Appraisal Review Board Application. If interested in applying an application can be obtained at our office, 99 Slade St., by calling or by clicking this link. ARB Application


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And that my friend is the way to get change. I appreciate your interest and involvement. Go Gett'em!

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Acceptance to the review board requires approval by the BoD of the Appraisal District and the BoD is elected by the taxing Units/taxing entities (school districts, road and bridge commissioners, sheriff dept, ..those that need tax money to operate)
The review board members' only job is to listen to and try to resolve individual tax protests for part of the year..one at a time. They can't change policy nor have anything to do with day-to-day operation of the CAD.

They well know who I am by name by now and those that don't, certainly will before the end of Sept.
Last month I presented the following. It was a huge pita to compile, having to call almost all of the counties involved as most don't have their requirements posted on line anywhere.


EAST AND DEEP EAST TEXAS AG GUIDELINES

ANDERSON County:
Improved Pasture¹: Includes but not limited to pasture that is mowed, shredded, fertilized, cultivated, seeded, and planted with grasses. (fence and livestock required)
Unimproved Pasture¹: Pasture with native grasses, and has none of the above completed, could have less than 30 trees per acre. (Fence and livestock required)
WOODED Pasture²:Pasture that has less than 200 trees per acre. Must have sufficient forage base to sustain livestock to qualify! (fence and livestock required)
¹ Open pasture should have a minimum of one(1) head of livestock per 3 acres.
(15 acres and less requires a minimum of FIVE (5) head of livestock)
²Wooded Pasture should have a minimum of one(1) head livestock per 5 acre. Wooded pasture must have sufficient forage base to sustain livestock to qualify.
(25 acres and less requires a minimum of five (5) head of livestock)

SAN JACINTO County.
20 acres is required with 75% of the tract cleared open space for grazing. At Least 6 head of reproducing cows, with tracts larger than 20 ac having 1 additional cow to every 1-15 acres.
A minimum of approximately 20 acres is required.
At least 75% open for grazing with no more than 25% wooded.
8au 1st 20-40 acres, 1 cow for each additional 5 acres.
5 acres for hay production.

TYLER County
10-20 acres good to average pasture with intensity on a case by case basis.
5-10 acres for hay.

POLK County
Minimum 10 acres for hay and 15 acres for cattle grazing with approx 2au/7ac but case by case basis.

LIBERTY County
NATIVE Pasture.
15ac -20ac minimum 1 au per 7 ac.. WITH A MINIMUM OF
5 ANIMAL UNITS.
Improved Pasture. 10 acres required. 1 au per 3 ac.
Hay=10 ac required with 2 cuttings/year .

TRINITY County
1)Cattle Smaller size tracts will be reviewed on a case by case basis.
2) At least 75% open to grazing with no more than 25% wooded.
3) At least five (5) head of mother cows.
4) Larger tracts should have one (1) cow to every five(5) ac.

HARDIN County
10 acres. Improved pasture= 1 au/3acres. Native pasture= 1au/5AC with at least 3 total.

SAN AUGUSTINE County.
10acres both native and improved. Case by case basis for intensity.
5ac for hay.

NACOGDOCHES County.
20 ac with 6AU.
10Ac Hay.

HARRIS County.
Improved Pasture-7 acs required, Minimum of four (4) au. Must have one (1) animal unit per 4 acs on larger tracts.
Native Pasture-8 acres required. must produce sufficient forage to sustain a minimum of 4 animal units. Minimum of four (4) au. Must have one (1) animal unit per 7 acs on larger tracts.
Hay 7 acres with 2400 lbs each cutting.

ANGELINA County
Cow/Calf Native Pasture ...................20........................................... 1 unit to 5 acres
Cow/Calf Improved Pasture................15........................................... 1 unit to 3 acres.
Hay..10 ac 2-3 cuttings/yr.

GRIMES County
not less than 10 acres.
5 animal units (1 cow = 1AU) for small tracts
Minimum stocking rates for larger tracts: improved pasture, one cow to 5 acres; native pasture, one cow to 10 acres; woods and brush, one cow to
20 acres.
Hay 10 acres with 2-3 cuttings of approx 6000lbs/ac/yr on improved land.

WALKER County.
10 acres intesity will vary for both native and improved pasture.
5 acres minum for hay.

NEWTON County.
Improved pasture=5ac with 3au.
Native pasture=5ac with 3au

JASPER County
10 ac and will accept less if managed intensively. 3 mommas/10ac.
Hay 5 acres.

ORANGE County
Native..15 Acre 1 animal unit per 5 acres with a
minimum of 3 animal units
Improved..Same as Native except 1 animal per 3 acres.

SHELBY County.
Grazing is case by case basis.
Hay-4ac
row crop 4 ac/truck produce 4 ac.

HOUSTON County
10 acres. 3-5 momma cows per 10 acres. My be used in coinjucntion with off site pasture.

CHEROKEE County.
Small acerage not ok for cow/calf but ok for backgrounding yearlings. Hay 7 acres.
Cow/Calf-15-20 ac min.

RUSK County.
16 acres with 4 cows 1 bull or 16 calves.
5acres for hay.

MARION County.
10 acres with 3 au. 5 acres for hay.

RAINS County.
5 acres grazing with 1AU. or 5 acres hay.

HOPKINS County
20acres with 1au/4ac. Hay=10 ac.

GREGG County.
16 acres for grazing..improved pasture.
20 acres native.
Hay=5 acres with max 20 acres.

FANNIN County.
Native and improved 10 acres with 2au/5ac. Hay 10ac with 2000lb from native and 4000 from Improved.

PANOLA County.
10 ac with 1 cow per 2 acres. 10 acres=hay.

SABINE County.
10 acres grazing and or hay. 2au/5 acres.

UPSHUR County.
3 acre min-1AU per 3 ac. Hay 5 acres and must retain reciepts current year.

VAN ZANDT County.
10 ac with 1au per 5 acres. Hay 10 acres.Goats 5acres.

DELTA County.
5 acre minimum with 1 au/3acres. Hay 5 acres-4000lbs per acre.

FRANKLIN County.
10 ac with 5 hd/10 acres. Hay 5 acres.

WOOD County.
5 acres. 1au/5acres. Hay 5 acres and 2 cuttings.

MORRIS County.
5 acres hay or grazing no min AU or tonnage.

CASS County.
8 acres-1 au/4 acres. Hay 5 acres.

KAUFMAN County.
9 acres. 4au + 1 cow for each additional 5-8 acres. Hay 9ac min, should be fertilized ea yr.

CAMP County
5 acres min. 1au.
Hay 5ac.

HENDERSON County.
10 acres @ 2au. Hay-10 acres.

BOWIE County.
Cattle and Hay-7 acres. 2au/7 ac.

BRAZOS County.
Min 15 acres native or improved. Min 5au cattle, Hogs 5 ac. Hay 8 ac.

FREESTONE County.
minimum 5-7 ac for improved and 7-2 for native pasture. 5 ac for hay. 1-2 rounds or 20-40 sq/acre 2 cuttings/yr.

GRAYSON County.
15 ac improved with 3au/5 ac=5 cow minimum.
Native-1au/7 acres. 35 acres minimum. 5 cow minimum.

WALLER County.
Pasture Land Native** Minimum 15ac. Must have one(1) animal unit * per 7 acres with a minimum of 5 animal units
Improved*** Minimum of 10ac. Must have one(1) animal unit * per 5 acres with a
minimum of 5 animal units
Wooded Minimum of 20ac. Ratio depends on density of woods; One (1)
animal unit per 10‐12 acres.

CHAMBERS County
3ac min Improved pasture with 1au or 2 cuts hay/yr.
6ac min Native pasture with 1au.

HUNT County.
Degree of Intensity in acreage
For purposes other than beekeeping, which has its own acreage requirements
specified by law, a degree of intensity of 3 ACRES will be required to distinguish
Qualifying Agriculture Tracts from Hobby operations. This is a guideline only and
any application for agriculture valuation below 3 acres will be considered on a
case by case basis. One such consideration would be an application for a tract
of land used with other qualified agricultural property being owned by the same
person(s) or family member.
PASTURE:
MINIMUM # OF HEAD
PER 5 ACRES
Cattle Adult Cows or Bulls = 1au/5 acres

BRAZORIA County.
Improved pasture 9 ac required with min of 3au.
Native pasture 15 ac with min of 3 au.

FORT BEND County
Improved pasture cattle and Hay production:
1 AU per 5Ac or 2 tons hay/ac.
Minimum of 5AU with 25 acre minimum.
Native Pasture:
1AU per 8 ac.
Minimum of 5AU with 40 ac minimum.

JEFFERSON County
10ac with 3AU. Smaller parcels will qualify if hay is also cut.

SMITH County
5 acres minimum with 2au for grazing and/or hay.

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Originally posted by maryjane:

Acceptance to the review board requires approval by the BoD of the Appraisal District and the BoD is elected by the taxing Units/taxing entities (school districts, road and bridge commissioners, sheriff dept, ..those that need tax money to operate)
The review board members' only job is to listen to and try to resolve individual tax protests for part of the year..one at a time. They can't change policy nor have anything to do with day-to-day operation of the CAD.

They well know who I am by name by now and those that don't, certainly will before the end of Sept.
Last month I presented the following. It was a huge pita to compile, having to call almost all of the counties involved as most don't have their requirements posted on line anywhere.



This could be the start of a new career!
I can't think of a better person to run for an office with a fair mind and interest in serving. It could happen........... Unfortunately, I don't get to vote in Texas. Can you send me one of those mail in votes.........

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Had another meeting yesterday, this time with the Ag Advisory Board in attendance. Big turnout. I was 3rd to speak and I asked what the time limit was, and Chief Appraiser said.."however long you need mr. york".


35 minutes later, I handed the mic top the next guy and took my seat......for a little while.
About 20 others spoke....much more briefly than I did. and at the end of the evening, the advisory board indicated they were in favor of the changes we have been fighting for.
I made sure, they couldn't try to say the county had too little revenues for the population increases over the last few years.




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This could be the start of a new career!
I can't think of a better person to run for an office with a fair mind and interest in serving. It could happen........... Unfortunately, I don't get to vote in Texas. Can you send me one of those mail in votes.........

Rams



Would those be paper...made-from-trees-paper...ballots ?

I'm sure he would be delighted.
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The Chief Appraiser called me and asked me to meet with her early next week to discuss how to set up rules for smaller cow/calf operations so I am beginning to believe we may get at least some of what we have been asking for. We will see.
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I can't think of a better person to run for an office [b]with a fair mind[/i] and interest in serving.



I agree.
One of the few minds I trust here.
A well-balanced sense of thought.
And walks-the-walk.

All without the need to “level-up” on someone.
It’s incredibly admirable.

Usually, you gotta’ pay a hooker $50 bucks for that kind of review!
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My meeting got postponed a week because of the potential of tropical storm Beta but finally met with the Chief Appraiser yesterday morning. It went well (I think) but the upshot of it is that I have been tasked with writing the new ag requirements for the county, as well as better defining certain aspects of small cow/calf operations. If my recommendations are accepted, there will be some positive changes as well as some small concessions in the 'proving period' but I think (hope) for future applicants we end up in a much better position than in past years which has always been my goal, to assure ag remains a vital part of the county's economy and to make it easier for young people to get in to it and qualify for the state's program.

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My meeting got postponed a week because of the potential of tropical storm Beta but finally met with the Chief Appraiser yesterday morning. It went well (I think) but the upshot of it is that I have been tasked with writing the new ag requirements for the county, as well as better defining certain aspects of small cow/calf operations. If my recommendations are accepted, there will be some positive changes as well as some small concessions in the 'proving period' but I think (hope) for future applicants we end up in a much better position than in past years which has always been my goal, to assure ag remains a vital part of the county's economy and to make it easier for young people to get in to it and qualify for the state's program.



Excellent, good for you.
One thing I learned working for OHSA, someone has already written something close to what you (or I) am seeking. Finding it is the challenge. Such a document must be able to stand up in court should it be challenged. Some times it takes a combination of several documents to get to where you want to go. Of course then, you have to get it past the Powers that Be to get it accepted. I'm pulling for ya Don. Keep us informed please.

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Well, not exactly Ron. There are 254 counties in Texas and none of their regulations regarding Agriculture are the same. The State legislature passed the act enacting the ag exemptions but left it up to the State Comptroller to actually write the basic regulations. This state tho, is so big and varies so much in climate, geography, geology and soil types, that it would not be possible for the State to set a "one size fits all" intensity standard or minimum acreage requirements for any given ag enterprise. What works in my county, with average annual rainfal of about 40 inches won't work 200 miles West of here, much less 800 miles West or South of here.
There are over 40 different soil types in my area of the county alone and each has a different forage producing capability.

So, it is almost impossible to find a set of requirements already written that will fit this county, tho looking at 49 East and Deep East Texas county's requirements, I have discovered my county currently is way off the deep end with some of their requirements.

As I pointed out at the meeting in front of the ag advisory board, no one will ever convince me that I can walk 6 miles, and in thos 6 miles the forage producing ability is one constant, but take one more step over an invisible line into the next county and all of a sudden "IT'S A MIRACLE!!! THE LAND CAN NOW PRODUCE TWICE AS MUCH FORAGE, THEREFORE YA DON'T NEED AS MUCH ACREAGE IN THAT COUNTY TO SUPPORT THE SAME NUMBER OF COWS AS IT DID ONE STEP BACK.

( Yes I actually did the little one step forward thing as I made an invisible line on the floor and yelled "Praise the Lord and pass the ammunition folks..it's a miracle ..just look at all the grass that one little step caused to grow! )
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Well, not exactly Ron. There are 254 counties in Texas and none of their regulations regarding Agriculture are the same. The State legislature passed the act enacting the ag exemptions but left it up to the State Comptroller to actually write the basic regulations. This state tho, is so big and varies so much in climate, geography, geology and soil types, that it would not be possible for the State to set a "one size fits all" intensity standard or minimum acreage requirements for any given ag enterprise. What works in my county, with average annual rainfal of about 40 inches won't work 200 miles West of here, much less 800 miles West or South of here.
There are over 40 different soil types in my area of the county alone and each has a different forage producing capability.

So, it is almost impossible to find a set of requirements already written that will fit this county, tho looking at 49 East and Deep East Texas county's requirements, I have discovered my county currently is way off the deep end with some of their requirements.

As I pointed out at the meeting in front of the ag advisory board, no one will ever convince me that I can walk 6 miles, and in thos 6 miles the forage producing ability is one constant, but take one more step over an invisible line into the next county and all of a sudden "IT'S A MIRACLE!!! THE LAND CAN NOW PRODUCE TWICE AS MUCH FORAGE, THEREFORE YA DON'T NEED AS MUCH ACREAGE IN THAT COUNTY TO SUPPORT THE SAME NUMBER OF COWS AS IT DID ONE STEP BACK.

( Yes I actually did the little one step forward thing as I made an invisible line on the floor and yelled "Praise the Lord and pass the ammunition folks..it's a miracle ..just look at all the grass that one little step caused to grow! )




I simply meant that there should be some examples close to use for adopting a set of governing rules but, I see your point.

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It appears the consensus is going to be a change from 20 acre to 15 acre minimum for cattle (with a case to case basis for slightly smaller parcels) and a waiver of the requirement that the property has to be 3/4 cleared.
The tradeoff, which I pushed for & endorse fully, is that there will be very close inspections of property and qualifications to ensure the landowner isn't simply playing the regs to get tax relief. There MUST be a real ag enterprise being carried out with some sort of viable and visible means to produce and market the ag product.
I'll know the details tomorrow after another face to face with the Chief Appraiser but I call this a win.
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15 seems reasonable.
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Honestly, this one surprises me. Must be some darn good grass growing there if 20+ acres will keep six reproducing cows fed adequately.

 
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SAN JACINTO County.
20 acres is required with 75% of the tract cleared open space for grazing. At Least 6 head of reproducing cows, with tracts larger than 20 ac having 1 additional cow to every 1-15 acres.


Regardless, this is the way the system is supposed to work with the public (Don and others) keeping officials in check. Congrats Don.

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That's 3.3 acres per AU (1 Animal Unit = 1000 lb cow or 1500 lb bull)
The realworld standard for East Texas and most of the SE USA is around 2-2.5 ac/AU.

(We average just over 40" rain/year)


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Yep, that rainfall and the milder temps makes a big difference in the growing season.

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And that my friend is the way to get change. I appreciate your interest and involvement. Go Gett'em!

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Agreed
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