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COVID-19: Phase 1 Of The "Permanent Crisis"? by longjonsilver
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Let’s assume that the events of the last five months are neither random nor unexpected.

Let’s say they’re part of an ingenious plan to transform American democracy into a lockdown police state controlled by criminal elites and their puppet governors.

And let’s say the media’s role is to fan the flames of mass hysteria by sensationalizing every gory detail, every ominous prediction and every slightest uptick in the death toll in order to exert greater control over the population.

And let’s say the media used their power to craft a message of terror they’d repeat over and over again until finally, there was just one frightening storyline ringing-out from every soapbox and bullhorn, one group of governors from the same political party implementing the same destructive policies, and one small group of infectious disease experts –all incestuously related– issuing edicts in the form of “professional advice.”

Could such a thing happen in America?

What’s most astonishing about the Covid-19 operation is the manner in which the elected government was circumvented by public health experts (connected to a power-mad billionaire activist.) That was a stroke of genius. Most people regard the US as a fairly stable democracy and yet, the first sign of infection triggered the rapid transfer of power from the president to unelected “professionals” whose conflicts of interest are too vast to list.

Equally fascinating is the fact that the lockdowns were not the brainchild of Donald Trump but the mainly Democrat governors who shrugged-off any Constitutional limits to their power and arbitrarily ordered people to stay in their homes, wear masks and avoid close physical contact with other humans.

All of this was done in the name of “science” and condoned under “emergency powers” despite the fact that mass quarantines of healthy people have no historical precedent or scientific basis. No matter, this was never about science or logic anyway, and it certainly wasn’t about saving lives. It was always about power, pure, unalloyed political power. The power to push the economy into freefall destroying millions of jobs and businesses. The power to bail out Wall Street while diverting attention to a fairly-mild infection that kills roughly 1 in every 500 people. The power to create a permanent underclass willing to work for table scraps or less. And the power to fundamentally restructure human relations so that normal intimacies like handshakes, hugs or social gatherings are entirely banned. This, of course, was the most ambitious part of the project, the basic changes to human interaction that date back thousands of years, and which are now seen as an obstacle to a new order in which the individual must be isolated, desensitized and kept in a constant state of fear to be more easily controlled and manipulated.

On top of that, all of this is taking place in plain sight where anyone with even minimal critical thinking skills should be able to see what is happening, but very few do. Why is that?

Fear. Fear has gripped the population and is preventing typically intelligent, perceptive people from seeing something that’s right beneath their noses. Check out this clip from an article titled “When Will the Madness End?”:

“What’s happening now is a spread of this serious medical condition to the whole population… The public is adopting a personality disorder … paranoid delusions, and irrational fear. … It can happen with anything but here we see a primal fear of disease turning into mass panic….

…. Once fear reaches a certain threshold, normalcy, rationality, morality, and decency fade and are replaced by shocking stupidity and cruelty.…..We find that whole communities suddenly fix their minds upon one object, and go mad in its pursuit; that millions of people become simultaneously impressed with one delusion, and run after it, till their attention is caught by some new folly more captivating than the first. ..…

…This is made far worse by politics, which has only fed the beast of fear. This is the most politicized disease in history, and doing so has done nothing to help manage it and much to make it all vastly worse.” (“When Will the Madness End?“, AIER)

We’re not saying that Covid doesn’t kill people, and we’re not suggesting that Covid is a bioweapon released on the public for nefarious purposes. (although that’s certainly a possibility.) What we’re saying is that scheming elites and their allies in the media and politics see every crisis as an opportunity to advance their own authoritarian agenda.

In fact, the restructuring of basic democratic institutions can only take place within the confines of a major crisis. That’s why the CIA, the giant corporations, the WHO and the Gates Posse gathered for meetings that anticipated an event just like the Covid outbreak. They needed a crisis of that magnitude to achieve their ultimate objective; total control. That’s what they mean when they say there will be “no return to normal”, they mean they’re replacing representative government with a new totalitarian model in which the levers of state power will be controlled by them. So while the virus outbreak might be coincidental, the management of the crisis certainly is not. This is from an article by Gary Barnett:

“We are in the midst of an attempt by the oligarchs to eliminate the human spirit, and if this attempt is successful, the singular majesty of the human experience will have been abolished, and only a technocratic black hole of emptiness and despair will remain. This is the essence of a failed society brought about by the destruction of human intellect by state education, mass propaganda, and the planned control of individuals through physical and psychological manipulation due to fear.”(“Pandemic Madness: The State’s Plan Rests on the Destruction of the Human Spirit“, Gary Barnett, Lew Rockwell)

Is the author exaggerating?

I don’t think so. Our species has withstood myriad epidemics in the past without ever resorting to the extremist measures we have taken during this latest outbreak. Take the state of Oregon, for example, whose Democratic governor Kate Brown just signed another executive order extending a state of emergency through Sept. 4. The move comes months after the peak in deaths was reached in mid-April. As of Tuesday, Oregon’s death toll is a meager 240 nearly 90% of who are over 65 with underlying health conditions. That means that Brown shut down a $226 billion per year economy, put tens of thousands of people out of work, destroyed countless small and medium-sized businesses and plunged the state deep into debt, to save roughly 24 or 25 people under 65 with no underlying health conditions. That’s not the reaction of an intelligent, responsible political leader acting in the best interests of the people. That is the reaction of someone who is either criminally insane or doing someone else’s bidding. So which is it?

Like many of the other mainly Democrat governors, Brown also issued a “mask” mandate, punishable by a fine. The new executive order was neither approved by the House or by any other democratic body. It’s just Brown testing the limits of her new emergency powers. Interestingly, the mask mandate comes a full three months after the state reached its peak in fatalities which means that it has less to do with controlling the infection than it does with using the virus to usurp tyrannical powers. Does that mean Brown or the other Democrat governors are closet tyrants?

Probably not. But it does suggest that the people who fund Brown’s campaigns and pull her strings want to see how far they can push things before the public fights back. Here’s a comment by Carlo Caduff in the Medical Anthropology Quarterly that helps to put these developments into perspective:

“Across the world, the pandemic unleashed authoritarian longings in democratic societies allowing governments to seize the opportunity, create states of exception and push political agendas. Commentators have presented the pandemic as a chance for the West to learn authoritarianism from the East. This pandemic risks teaching people to love power and call for its meticulous application.” (“What Went Wrong: Corona and the World After the Full Stop“ Academia.edu)

Once again, we are not denying that Covid kills people. All we’re saying is that powerful elites are using crisis management to advance their own narrow political agenda.

It should be no surprise that states governed by Democrats are doing considerably worse than those run by Republicans. Watching the eagerness with which the Dems impose their economy-crushing measures, one can only wonder how the states will ever dig out of the current mess and regain solvency. Of course, maybe that’s the goal, to generate so much red ink that essential social services will have to be slashed, the poor will be left to starve, and the big money guys will buy-up public assets for pennies on the dollar. Indeed, that must be the plan, “shock therapy for the proles while the Democrat governors act as a battering ram to open the state to the plunder and looting of their Wall Street crony friends and others in the parasite class. Here’s how Israel Shamir summed it up in a recent article at the Unz Review:

“There are people who think we have it too good. They think we did nothing to deserve our high civilization. They think we shouldn’t be able to afford food, the roof above our heads and other goodies. This is the view of some very wealthy people. They are annoyed at seeing Tom, Dick and Harry going to Acapulco and eating in a restaurant, instead of being at their beck and call. They want to lower our income and raise the cost of living. They are willing to fund anyone who calls for more austerity.

Now they support lockdowns, claiming that it is the best way to fight disease. Yesterday they were calling on us to shut down industry in order to save the climate. Today these same people are still trying to reduce us to poverty, this time for the sake of Covid” (“Unmasking Freedom, The Unz review)

Shamir is right of course, the justifications are forever changing while the ultimate goal remains the same, wreak havoc the economy, divide the people into warring camps, and clear the way for the new streamlined system of authoritarian government, the glorious NWO. And the speed at which we are moving towards this new order is truly breathtaking. Take a look at this sampling of articles I’ve compiled which illustrates the catastrophic damage that is being done to the economy but swept under the rug by the media. In short, Covid is the diversion that keeps the American people from realizing that the system that keeps them employed, pays the mortgage and puts food on the table is being decimated by voracious oligarchs who want to start fresh. Check out these articles:

Some 42% Of Jobs Lost In Pandemic Are Gone For Good
US Consumer Credit Crashes As Americans Repay A Record Amount Of Credit Card Debt
A Tidal Wave of Bankruptcies is Coming
“More Than Half Of The US Population Is Not Working”
“52% Of Small Businesses Expect To Be Out Of Business Within Six Months
“53% Of Restaurants Closed Amid Coronavirus Have Shuttered Permanently”
Tsunami” Of Evictions Could Make 28 Million Americans Homeless This Summer Alone
Hurtling towards Depression–Based on information as of May 2020, we show that global consumption losses amount to 3.8$tr, triggering significant job (147 million full-time equivalent) and income (2.1$tr) losses.
Eighty percent feel country is spiraling out of control, according to Wall Street Journal/NBC poll
Anyway, you get the picture, the situation is dire. But as severe as the economic carnage may be, the psychic damage is that much worse. Many readers probably already know that suicides, divorces, child abuse, alcoholism, drug abuse and domestic violence have all risen sharply in the last 5 months. The impact of the lockdowns on people suffering from chronic depression or other mental health conditions has also increased dramatically. As Doctor Waqar Rashid opines in an article at The Spectator:

“Many people are… still terrified.,… afraid of venturing back into the outside world…. Masks are everywhere, and are compulsory on public transport. The result is a reminder that this ‘new normal’ is utterly unlike what we are used to. Even to those who don’t suffer from mental health problems it’s a depressing and dispiriting sight. And I fear this ongoing state of stress and anxiety is doing profound damage to people’s psychological wellbeing...

It was widely acknowledged before the pandemic struck that mental health problems were not only increasing in number but also being seen more frequently in younger people. As a neurologist, the people I see are especially at risk from suffering from mental health problems. It’s a sad fact that in my line of work, we can cure very little. But we can try to control and mitigate the illnesses we seek to treat. Much of this relies on the patient remaining hopeful and optimistic about their prospects. But now, surrounded as we are by this ‘invisible enemy’, all too often hope has been substituted for fear, even terror.” (“What’s the true cost of lockdown?”, The Spectator)

Covid-19; Phase 1 of the “Permanent Crisis”

It all boils down to this: Ruling class elites are using a public health crisis to wage a full-scale war on the American people and their system of representative government. The Democrat-CIA-Media Axis has been instrumental in prosecuting the conflict, as they were in the Russiagate fiasco. These are the shock troops who execute the battleplan of economic strangulation, covert skulduggery, and relentless disinformation. By the time the American people figure out what’s going on, the political landscape will have changed completely.


https://www.globalresearch....anent-crisis/5718727

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Exactly.

Here the government is doing regional reopening. Most of the province went to "stage 3" yesterday. Still demanding 6 foot distance, but now the gathering limits are 50 indoor and 100 outdoor. Still no concerts, fairs, amusement parks or anything like that.

There IS NO "stage 4" planned. They want this to be permanent. And they are already talking about a second lockdown in the fall and mandatory masks for years.

I still mostly think this whole pile of horse Kala is a diversion tactic. Keep us occupied while something else is going on. Just can't figure out what.

On the economic side of it, destruction of our standard of living has been the globalist -corprotist goal since the 80s. They want to drive our wages and working conditions to 3rd world levels. That gives them all the advantages of 3rd world manufacturing without the shipping costs.

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...Still demanding 6 foot distance,...


Shouldn't that be deux mètres?
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Let’s assume...



"The Matrix is a system. That system is our enemy. But when you're inside, you look around, what do you see? Businessmen, teachers, lawyers, carpenters. The very minds of the people we are trying to save. But until we do, these people are still a part of that system and that makes them our enemy. You have to understand, most of these people are not ready to be unplugged. And many of them are so inured, so hopelessly dependent on the system, that they will fight to protect it."

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I never thought I’d see the day when publicly wearing a muzzle would constitute a proof of virtue in the same country whose government, less than twenty years ago, rationalized the bloody invasion of Afghanistan as a way of saving women from veiling their faces.


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I never thought I’d see the day when publicly wearing a muzzle would constitute a proof of virtue in the same country whose government, less than twenty years ago, rationalized the bloody invasion of Afghanistan as a way of saving women from veiling their faces.

Yeah, that's about right. I don't remember anyone even connecting it (Afghanistan) with anything that is commonly thought to have happened in New York City on September 9, 2001.

A "muzzle" would prevent me from using my voice to communicate. I use a simple, pandemic-style mask (of a disposable level of quality) that loops around my ears and covers my nostrils and mouth. It's a small nuisance or inconvenience, but I don't feel like I have been muted, or rendered incommunicado. Once or twice in the last few months, I have pulled it away so that I can speak more directly, when I wasn't being understood, but that's been very much the exception and not the rule.

I am of the opinion that equating Covid-19 with a "cold", "flu" or the "sniffles" is like describing what happened to Hiroshima as an "atmospheric disturbance."


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All of this goes away after the election. Because that's all that any of this is really about right now.
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All of this goes away after the election. Because that's all that any of this is really about right now.


Virus particles pay no attention to elections and have no way to reference what a calendar says or even what one is.
Same people that claim it's all about politics also said 'it's just the flu'...'it will go away as soon as warm weather gets here'...'masks won't help'...'all those people were going to die anyway'..'we just need to keep everything to stay open and ensure more people get it so herd immunity takes place'...and much much more that was absolute bullfeces when stated and still is today.
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Virus particles pay no attention to elections and have no way to reference what a calendar says or even what one is.
Same people that claim it's all about politics also said 'it's just the flu'...'it will go away as soon as warm weather gets here'...'masks won't help'...'all those people were going to die anyway'..'we just need to keep everything to stay open and ensure more people get it so herd immunity takes place'...and much much more that was absolute bullfeces when stated and still is today.



I'm talking about the theatrics, the "WE MUST SHUT EVERYTHING DOWN," the rioting, all of that.

MJ, I know you've been on this Earth longer than I have, but I've been around at least long enough to learn to smell bull **** . The virus is real... most of the theatrics are not. I would be genuinely shocked if "the world is ending" idea is feverishly being pushed everywhere continues post election.

I say it literally stops overnight if Biden wins, and it stops by December 1st if Trump wins, to give the Democrats a couple of weeks to wind down.
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Yeah, that's about right. I don't remember anyone even connecting it (Afghanistan) with anything that is commonly thought to have happened in New York City on September 9, 2001.

A "muzzle" would prevent me from using my voice to communicate. I use a simple, pandemic-style mask (of a disposable level of quality) that loops around my ears and covers my nostrils and mouth. It's a small nuisance or inconvenience, but I don't feel like I have been muted, or rendered incommunicado. Once or twice in the last few months, I have pulled it away so that I can speak more directly, when I wasn't being understood, but that's been very much the exception and not the rule.

I am of the opinion that equating Covid-19 with a "cold", "flu" or the "sniffles" is like describing what happened to Hiroshima as an "atmospheric disturbance."






Then your memory fails you. Bin Laden’s group trained in Afghanistan under the protection of the Taliban. Our mission was to wipe out those training bases and the Taliban who allowed it. It had nothing to do with face coverings of muslim women. That’s just stupid and insulting.
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I'm talking about the theatrics, the "WE MUST SHUT EVERYTHING DOWN," the rioting, all of that.

MJ, I know you've been on this Earth longer than I have, but I've been around at least long enough to learn to smell bull **** . The virus is real... most of the theatrics are not. I would be genuinely shocked if "the world is ending" idea is feverishly being pushed everywhere continues post election.

I say it literally stops overnight if Biden wins, and it stops by December 1st if Trump wins, to give the Democrats a couple of weeks to wind down.

No elections on the immediate horizon in Europe, the P.I. , S. Korea, UK, or most other places and the same "theatrics" (your term for it) are still going on in those places, even now and most of those regions have a much much better handle on covid than we do.

We are (and always have been) the only civilized nation NOT to have a national plan in place and working to control and eventually eradicate this virus, and you know where 'the buck stops"..........or is supposed to anyway.

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Then your memory fails you. Bin Laden’s group trained in Afghanistan under the protection of the Taliban. Our mission was to wipe out those training bases and the Taliban who allowed it. It had nothing to do with face coverings of muslim women. That’s just stupid and insulting.

Uh, sorry. I forgot the "sarcasm" tags.

Actually, I didn't forget. I didn't expect anyone to take it as anything other than sarcasm.

I think maybe Hudini kind of jumped in without seeing the previous message (from longjonsilver) that I was responding to.

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I'm talking about the theatrics, the "WE MUST SHUT EVERYTHING DOWN," the rioting, all of that.

MJ, I know you've been on this Earth longer than I have, but I've been around at least long enough to learn to smell bull **** . The virus is real... most of the theatrics are not. I would be genuinely shocked if "the world is ending" idea is feverishly being pushed everywhere continues post election.

I say it literally stops overnight if Biden wins, and it stops by December 1st if Trump wins, to give the Democrats a couple of weeks to wind down.

Who could have imagined that the CIA-LiberalMedia-DemocraticParty axis (***) could find so many crisis actors?

Sarcasm.


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I hate to say it but my prediction is that at least here in the US, things are only going to get much worse after the November elections.

If President Trump wins a 2nd term, the feces are, of course, going to hit the rotating oscillating device as the heads of those on the left explode. Since they did everything they could over these past four years to delegitimatize him and remove him from the presidency, Democrats, socialists and fascists (but I repeat myself) are going to do everything in their power to nullify him and any influence he holds. This will include ramping up the Covid scare tactics and restrictions in order to completely destroy our economy and pave the way for a Democrat takeover in 2024.

If Biden is elected (God, I hope not), the new Democrat administration and the power brokers behind him will immediately clamp down on our economy and draconian Covid scare tactics and restrictions are going to be a cornerstone of that effort. The end goal of all this being the subjugation of the population in order to make them dependent on the government for their sustenance. The belief is that once you take away the ability to work and make the population look to the government for their daily cheese, the prolls will never again elect a Conservative to any Federal office.

Honestly, the only way I see to avoid all this is if there is a huge landside this November in Trumps favor. If the 'silent majority' finally get sick of seeing their cities being turned over to lawless mobs, of seeing statues bring toppled on a daily basis and rise up to put a stop to all this nonsense.

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Virus particles pay no attention to elections ...


Politicians do.

 
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We are (and always have been) the only civilized nation NOT to have a national plan in place and working to control and eventually eradicate this virus ...


Wear a mask, social distance, wash your hands. No ventilator shortages, masks and test kit availability is better and still gaining.
What are we missing ?

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Missing?

Leadership.
There is little to none in the states that opened too early and the big increase in cases occur in.
We have at least one state where it's governor is suing a major city because it's mayor enacted a mandatory mask order. In just over 2 weeks that state has moved from #12 spot (total cases) to #7. It was one of the 1st southern states to reopen in May. Georgia.

Very little nationally either.

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I would be genuinely shocked if "the world is ending" idea is feverishly being pushed everywhere continues post election.


"everywhere"? Why is it this nonsense isn't taking place anywhere else (that I'm aware of) on the planet?

But hey, if y'all are going to die... might as well rock on!


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Let’s assume



Let's not.

Let's use verifiable, objective, facts.

Not conspiracy theories and wild assumptions.
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No elections on the immediate horizon in Europe, the P.I. , S. Korea, UK, or most other places and the same "theatrics" (your term for it) are still going on in those places, even now and most of those regions have a much much better handle on covid than we do.

We are (and always have been) the only civilized nation NOT to have a national plan in place and working to control and eventually eradicate this virus, and you know where 'the buck stops"..........or is supposed to anyway.




The protests in UK and Europe are directly related to the BLM movement right now. They also are not "spontaneous" and are planned / organized by the same groups and funding organizations that have planned the vast majority of them here in the United States as well. This isn't conspiracy theory, you just need to look outside the usual MSM which acts like a running soap opera.
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What are we missing ?


 
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Originally posted by maryjane:
Missing?

Leadership.

There is little to none in the states that opened too early and the big increase in cases occur in.one of the 1st southern states to reopen in May. Georgia.

Very little nationally either.


Leadership ? Like during the Viet-Nam war (fight but don't win) ?
There is no lack of Covid leadership. Plenty of piss poor leadership. We do not need leadership. Staying alive is a natural instinct. We need information.

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'information' is part and parcel and a key trait of good leadership.

A "It's going to go away when the weather turns warmer" statement, in the face of these 2 (and other) warnings is not indicative of good leadership or information.

CDC warned the govt back in Feb that there was no scientific or medical data to indicate Covid19 would wane in warmer months.
“I would caution over-interpreting that hypothesis,” Nancy Messonnier, the point person for COVID-19 at the U.S. Centers for Disease Control and Prevention, said at a press conference on 12 February.
Fauci repeated that on April 9 on Good Morning America, saying that even tho some viruses spread slower in warm months, we should not assume that will be the case with this virus.

 
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Fauci told ABC's "Good Morning America" there's a precedent with other infections like influenza that "when the virus gets warmer that the virus goes down in its ability to replicate, to spread."

But Fauci added "having said that, one should not assume that we are going to be rescued by a change in the weather. You must assume that the virus will continue to do its thing. If we get some help from the weather, so be it, fine. But I don't think we need to assume that."

https://abc7news.com/corona...pdate-fauci/6089537/

Both of those bits of wisdom, as well as other warnings went unheeded by the federal govt.

It's going to get better tho. 5 months into this, it has very recently been categorically stated by the great kahuna, that it is now "patriotic to wear a mask".

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Doug Ford and his CINOs went and gave themselves dictorial emergency powers for the next 2 years yesterday. Guess what's going to be extended in 23 months?

It no longer matters. Left, right, conservative, liberals, they are all doing the same thing. With the same excuse. In every jurisdiction of North America
Freedom is officially dead until we rise up and take it back by force.

Here's what happens to MPPs who won't go along with the power grab agenda.


https://www.cbc.ca/amp/1.5658084

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Originally posted by maryjane:

'Information' is part and parcel and a key trait of good leadership.


Yes sir. I realize that information about this new contagion was at first unknown.

 
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Originally posted by maryjane:
A "It's going to go away when the weather turns warmer" statement, in the face of these 2 (and other) warnings is not indicative of good leadership or information.


I also realize, could see, that the statement was a supposition, based on other flu type viruses. Trump could have worded it better. Meh ... what did it hurt ? Did it help ?

 
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CDC warned the govt back in Feb that there was no scientific or medical data to indicate Covid19 would wane in warmer months.


I think it helped. The conversation was started and Trump's CDC team provided clarification.

 
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Fauci repeated that on April 9 on Good Morning America, saying that even tho some viruses spread slower in warm months, we should not assume that will be the case with this virus.


Fauci, .

Fauci Admits Why Americans Were Initially Misled About Wearing Masks

 
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At the start of the corona virus outbreak in the U.S., federal officials told the public they did not need to wear face masks. Dr. Anthony Fauci, director of the National Institute of Allergy and Infectious Disease, said they only made people feel better but were pretty much pointless.

U.S. Surgeon General Dr. Jerome Adams even told Americans in a late February tweet that they need to “STOP BUYING MASKS! They are NOT effective in preventing general public from catching coronavirus, ...


"Made people feel better". Much like "warm weather will make it go away".

Leadership. Like the Obama administration which did not follows it's own advice and have stockpiles of masks and other needed equipment ? Like NY Cuomo who did not maintain his ventilators. Pick your poison, umm, leader.

 
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We are (and always have been) the only civilized nation NOT to have a national plan in place and working to control and eventually eradicate this virus, ...


A plan against a brand new menace would be hard to enact. It would naturally have to adapt. I think we have done quite well. Even the vaccine front looks promising, not to mention the speeding up of the development processs.
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And this is how they will keep extending the crisis. True mutation or not? Doesn't matter. Just keep releasing some version of the story every 6 months or so, and hold on to power forever.

https://nypost.com/2020/07/...-quicker-expert/amp/
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A plan against a brand new menace would be hard to enact. It would naturally have to adapt. I think we have done quite well. Even the vaccine front looks promising, not to mention the speeding up of the development processs.

All things are relative I suppose...I personally don't call 146,000 dead Americans anything close to "quite well". The EU has 447 million people in it, America has about 331 million people and at 4,101,000 total cases, we have way more total cases than the EU's 2,0851,000. cases..almost twice as many. China has over 1 billion people, but according to Worldmeter and John Hopkins Univ, only 84,000 cases with 4,634 deaths. China is far enough out of it now, that their economy grew at 3.2% 2nd qtr 2020 while ours is expected to be announced as a - 45% drop.
That, is "quite well"?


Wasn't all that hard for other nations to enact. Europe did a pretty good job........we're months behind what they accomplished.
And Fauci was criticizing what the feds were trying to palm off on the public with their totally unproven and scientifically false "it will go away with warm weather' BS..

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And this is how they will keep extending the crisis. True mutation or not? Doesn't matter. Just keep releasing some version of the story every 6 months or so, and hold on to power forever.

https://nypo...-expert/amp/


"The coronavirus is mutating, but you shouldn't freak out about it"


Too late. At least for MidEngineManiac.


Amanda Capritto for C|Net; July 21, 2020.
https://www.cnet.com/health...-freak-out-about-it/
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Its not "freaking out ", Rinse.

I simply trust government and corporate power-mongers about as far as I can throw a dump truck with my left hand.

That's not conspiracy theory. That's years and years of hard earned experience.
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What are we missing ?


 
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Missing?

Leadership


One month ago ...

Pelosi urges Trump to issue national face-mask order. ‘Real men wear masks’


One day ago ...

House orders broad mask mandates after Gohmert gets virus

Texas Rep. Louie Gohmert is at least the 10th member of Congress known to have tested positive for the coronavirus.

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One month ago ...

Pelosi urges Trump to issue national face-mask order. ‘Real men wear masks’


One day ago ...

House orders broad mask mandates after Gohmert gets virus

Texas Rep. Louie Gohmert is at least the 10th member of Congress known to have tested positive for the coronavirus.


The whole lot of them needs to shelter at home, and I don't mean their DC home. We will let them know when (or if) they can return to work.


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Jim Clyburn (D), the long-tenured U.S. Representative from South Carolina's 6th Congressional District and prominent Biden ally, has just reopened one of history's most oft-rummaged file drawers that political pundits have been rummaging for nearly 2000 years.

Congressman Clyburn compared the Trump administration's Covid-19 response to the Emperor Nero (37-68 CE) "fiddling" while Rome burned.

In nearly the same breath--during a brief, on-air interview on MSNBC--Clyburn name checked a new investigative-style report in Vanity Fair's "Hive", which is the magazine's online business, politics and technology vertical. (What's a "vertical"..?)

Did Nero literally or even just figuratively "fiddle" while Rome burned?

This new Hive report from Vanity Fair does nothing to illuminate that age-old controversy.

 
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How Jared Kushner’s Secret [Covid] Testing Plan “Went Poof Into Thin Air”
 
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This spring, a team working under the president's son-in-law produced a plan for an aggressive, coordinated national COVID-19 response that could have brought the pandemic under control. So why did the White House spike it in favor of a shambolic [sic] 50-state response?

Katherine Eban for Vanity Fair; July 30, 2020.
https://www.vanityfair.com/...t-poof-into-thin-air


This is a magazine-length article. I'm not going to trouble myself to run it through Read-o-Meter, but I think anyone would need about 15 minutes--maybe 20 minutes--to read it carefully, from end to end. I'm not suggesting it, but it's an option.

It's sectionalized and after several paragraphs, the sections appear, one after another, each one delineated by a new section title; to wit:
  1. TEAM JARED
  2. AN ABORTED PLAN
  3. THE SUMMER OF DISASTER
  4. THE PLOT TO SAVE AMERICA
  5. A BAD GAMBLE

The Rockefeller Foundation features prominently in the narrative.


There is a reference to "blue" states, which I am highlighting in this violet color because blue doesn't contrast well. Can you find the word "blue" in this text, which I copied from the article? (It's about three quarters of the way down.)

 
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By early April, some who worked on the plan were given the strong impression that it would soon be shared with President Trump and announced by the White House. The plan, though imperfect, was a starting point. Simply working together as a nation on it “would have put us in a fundamentally different place,” said the participant.

But the effort ran headlong into shifting sentiment at the White House. Trusting his vaunted political instincts, President Trump had been downplaying concerns about the virus and spreading misinformation about it—efforts that were soon amplified by Republican elected officials and right-wing media figures. Worried about the stock market and his reelection prospects, Trump also feared that more testing would only lead to higher case counts and more bad publicity. Meanwhile, Dr. Deborah Birx, the White House’s coronavirus response coordinator, was reportedly sharing models with senior staff that optimistically—and erroneously, it would turn out—predicted the virus would soon fade away.

Against that background, the prospect of launching a large-scale national plan was losing favor, said one public health expert in frequent contact with the White House’s official coronavirus task force.

Most troubling of all, perhaps, was a sentiment the expert said a member of Kushner’s team expressed: that because the virus had hit blue states hardest, a national plan was unnecessary and would not make sense politically. “The political folks believed that because it was going to be relegated to Democratic states, that they could blame those governors, and that would be an effective political strategy,” said the expert.

That logic may have swayed Kushner. “It was very clear that Jared was ultimately the decision maker as to what [plan] was going to come out,” the expert said.

"Ta Ta"

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Things still moving about as expected. Tomorrow this time (maybe even today) will see Texas swap places with New York while moving up to the #3 spot and Georgia will bump New Jersey down 1 place and join "The Top 5". 
Things at the top will remain mostly unchanged for some time afterwards (7-14 days) unless Arizona really takes off and overtakes both Illinois and Georgia. and, within that timeline, Fla will overtake California and  Texas may even move up to the #2 spot.




So anyway, we in Texas welcomes to the Top 5......... Georgia..you early openin' son of a gun you!!

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More on the over-inflated deaths:

"CDC Chief Agrees There’s ‘Perverse’ Economic ‘Incentive’ for Hospitals to Inflate Coronavirus Deaths"


https://www.breitbart.com/p...-coronavirus-deaths/


Asked to comment on what Rep. Blaine Luetkemeyer (R-MO) described as the “perverse incentive” during a hearing by the House Oversight and Reform Select Subcommittee on the Coronavirus Crisis, CDC’s director Dr. Robert Redfield responded:

 
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I think you’re correct in that we’ve seen this in other disease processes too, really in the HIV epidemic, somebody may have a heart attack, but also have HIV — the hospital would prefer the [classification] for HIV because there’s greater reimbursement.

So I do think there’s some reality to that. When it comes to death reporting, though, ultimately, it’s how the physician defines it in the death certificate and … we review all of those death certificates.

So I think, probably it is less operable in the cause of death, although I won’t say there are not some cases. I do think though [that] when it comes to hospital reimbursement issues or individuals that get discharged, there could be some play in that for sure.
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I think you’re correct in that we’ve seen this in other disease processes too, really in the HIV epidemic, somebody may have a heart attack, but also have HIV — the hospital would prefer the [classification] for HIV because there’s greater reimbursement.


I stated this before in one of the other threads. Hospitals and other medical facilities ALWAYS get more reimbursement from the feds for certain communicable disease treatments.
There is (and always has been) a CDC list of the illnesses that qualify and the only thing that is new is that Covid19 was added to an already existing list of infectious and nationally notifiable diseases and their special and protocols.

I don't have that list handy or the website it came from but from memory it includes (but not limited to) :
Zika
HIV
Rubella
The original SARS
MERS
Meningitis
Smallpox (now eradicated)
Polio
Rabies
Yellow fever
Influenza
Viral hemorrhagic fevers (includes Marburgh and ebola)
West Nile
and of course now
Covid19.
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