Not suggesting this is all in our future but, what if it was...
Can you survive? How? Can you provide for your family? Or, others? Can you protect what's yours? Could you help your neighbors?
What's your limit? Just questions that have passed through my mind. I like to be prepared... 30, 60. 90 days? A year?
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Isn't it strange that after a bombing, everyone blames the bomber, his upbringing, his environment, his culture, his mental state but … after a shooting, the problem is the gun.... Open your frigg'n minds, think about all the other tools that can be made into WMDs.
My wife told me to grow up. I told her to get out of my fort!
Can you survive? How? Can you provide for your family? Or, others? Can you protect what's yours? Could you help your neighbors?
What's your limit? Just questions that have passed through my mind. I like to be prepared... 30, 60. 90 days? A year?
I thought of this many years before the 2020 PANICdemic.
Property and shelter within 100 yards of a lake, check. Fishing gear, check. Small oar style boat, check. Plenty of deer and other game, check. Hunting / self defense guns and ammo, check. Beer ...............................
We have a all electric house, well, spetic, etc. Generator filled, and ~10 gallons of backup fuel in cans. ~50 gallons in cars if needed. If power goes out we can be self sufficent since we are on well and have a generator. ~100 lbs of meat in the freezer. Garden just tilled getting ready to plant the starts for the season.
I am in surbubia so I'm not going pepper crazy. I'd guess we can go 30-45 days totally self sufficient if we didn't need to take a step off our property.
Otherwise from a job front I am still working so is the wife. My company seems to be insulated so far from most of the pandemic; specifically my job is project based looking 5 to 7 years out with large expenditures soon ( 100+ million) to support future business. My wife works for the local medical center. For weeks the medical center essentally shut down except for tele-medicine and COVID patients. From a covit standpoint I think the max they center ever saw was ~30 inpatients on any day, not they are hovering at upper teens to low twenty patient count. They just started doing elective, non emergency surgeries again last week so hopefully that will help stabilize the finantial stabiltiy of the medical center.
And for depression....none of that here. Honestly with work and all ( even working from home) I seem to have less time now that before, so I don't have time to be depresses.
I Would like to think, That, Those around us would pull together as a "village" and work together to do things using the skills we all have, A barter and trade Type thing. Some are good at gardening, Some are good at hunting/fishing, Some are good at being the night watchman, to protect the villages supplies. I would guess this will depend on what type area you live in, if you are the only one around for miles, it will be different than someone in a city center, And those outside city limits but not out in the boonies. No one man can stand alone, you will fall. You might think you can do it all, but you can not watch over your goods 24/7 , you have to sleep. Sad to say this, but I think a major depression would bring back the people on your street , in your neighborhood talking to each other and working together, helping each other, Something that has been lost over the last 50 years. Out of the ashes comes a beautiful flower. The "global economy" experiment has now shown just how bad an idea it was. And it needs to end ASAP..
Food, isn't a problem so far, sure somethings are hard to get but you can live without processed meats. Come winter when what would normally be frozen or canned from over production and then avail. when fresh is limited because of the season, is when the crap will hit the fan. Time to get back to local farms and move away from the corporate farming. Time to move away from the bigger is better ideals, and back to smaller local food production. Be it livestock, fowl, fish, fruits and veg's. Us moving to huge corporate type food companies have shown how fast that can go sideways. Time to go back to the old ways of doing it. Even if it cost more because smaller farms/producers don't have the volume of scale. Us being cheap #$%^^ shot us in the foot, and this should be a wake up call. To fix it before we can't.
I Would like to think, That, Those around us would pull together as a "village" and work together to do things using the skills we all have, A barter and trade Type thing. Some are good at gardening, Some are good at hunting/fishing, Some are good at being the night watchman, to protect the villages supplies. I would guess this will depend on what type area you live in, if you are the only one around for miles, it will be different than someone in a city center, And those outside city limits but not out in the boonies. No one man can stand alone, you will fall. You might think you can do it all, but you can not watch over your goods 24/7 , you have to sleep. Sad to say this, but I think a major depression would bring back the people on your street , in your neighborhood talking to each other and working together, helping each other, Something that has been lost over the last 50 years. Out of the ashes comes a beautiful flower. The "global economy" experiment has now shown just how bad an idea it was. And it needs to end ASAP..
Food, isn't a problem so far, sure somethings are hard to get but you can live without processed meats. Come winter when what would normally be frozen or canned from over production and then avail. when fresh is limited because of the season, is when the crap will hit the fan. Time to get back to local farms and move away from the corporate farming. Time to move away from the bigger is better ideals, and back to smaller local food production. Be it livestock, fowl, fish, fruits and veg's. Us moving to huge corporate type food companies have shown how fast that can go sideways. Time to go back to the old ways of doing it. Even if it cost more because smaller farms/producers don't have the volume of scale. Us being cheap #$%^^ shot us in the foot, and this should be a wake up call. To fix it before we can't.
To a certain extent, I agree with you. Outsourcing everything currently being produced in China, India, South America and other places has turned this country in to mostly a Service Industry Economy. Very few folks that I know actually have gardens or have hunting skills and even fewer can butcher what they might kill. Self-sufficiency is severely lacking in the vast majority of Americans.
I am not about to suggest that all the issues mentioned in the thread title are going to happen but, the point is, they could and if they do, are you or I prepared...… People freely discuss what they have in the freezer for meat but, what will they do when that runs or the electricity is cut and that meat thaws and rots? Just things to think about. Not everyone has a pasture with cattle in it or a garden already planted and growing. Most folks don't even know how to can. We have a lot to re-learn.
Sad to say this, but I think a major depression would bring back the people on your street , in your neighborhood talking to each other and working together, helping each other,
I Would like to think, That, Those around us would pull together as a "village" and work together to do things using the skills we all have, A barter and trade Type thing. Some are good at gardening, Some are good at hunting/fishing, Some are good at being the night watchman, to protect the villages supplies.
Originally posted by Zeb: The conclusion, given the population density of New Jersey?
I'm a dead man. Just a question of how long.
I do miss J Stricker.
I do wonder how long the deer population here would last. With no power, freezers would not work. It makes sense to share deer meat. Also to not deplete the deer gene pool.
Apparently for laid-off factory workers it's less than 60 days. My neighbour had his truck towed Monday, and just texted looking for old newspaper to wrap dishes. They are moving to her moms until this is over and they can find work again.
I do wonder how long the deer population here would last. With no power, freezers would not work. It makes sense to share deer meat. Also to not deplete the deer gene pool.
Damn. Now we need government, .
Freezers, not needed, At one time ,it wasn't an option.
Yes, sad to say it will take a major depression to get folks to change and talk to those living around them. Many don't talk with anyone living near them other than a passing hello. At one time it wasn't this way, and everyone knew everybody and talked, Today they get up, go to work , come home and hide in the house/apartment. Many stopped even trying as people get offended over the tiniest things.
Yes, sad to say it will take a major depression to get folks to change and talk to those living around them. Many don't talk with anyone living near them other than a passing hello. At one time it wasn't this way, and everyone knew everybody and talked, Today they get up, go to work , come home and hide in the house/apartment. Many stopped even trying as people get offended over the tiniest things.
Honestly, people did that to themselves with their demands and attitudes. If you have neighbors or "friends" in close proximity, you get NO peace-and-quiet or "me" time without having to fight and argue about it. You end up last in line in your own life, and somehow when you really put your foot down over it, you are the bad guy.
Not that hard to understand why people don't want to deal with it.
Honestly, people did that to themselves with their demands and attitudes. If you have neighbors or "friends" in close proximity, you get NO peace-and-quiet or "me" time without having to fight and argue about it. You end up last in line in your own life, and somehow when you really put your foot down over it, you are the bad guy.
Not that hard to understand why people don't want to deal with it.
I've never found that to be the case and have lived in over a dozen different states. But, I've been told I have a rather sunny disposition too.
As of yet I have had no issues buying what we need. It may take a little more work but most of the time I can get what we need delivered to my door.
I know that its about perspective. You can not fit Ohio into a plan made for California, hell even northern and southern California don't fit in the same plan. Was talking yesterday about if we were in Ohio or even Florida I would find a farm and buy a cow and have it butchered and split the meat between a couple of houses. Here in CA it would be more difficult for me to pull that off.
If **** starts to really hit the fan I am going to hit the road and work my way back to Ohio. (if there is another Democrat voted into office)
It's going to be a struggle. Been dealing with one thing or another the past 5 years, still about 30k in the hole from that whole NICU adventure.
Been working and clicking through ebay and craigslist for Fieros all morning, because its either that or I'll start drinking. I just hope we don't lose power or die or something.
Wish I could turn the clock back 20 years or so. (Who doesn't want that, heh...)
This is going to be a difficult Fall, and Winter is coming...
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