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Previously unknown side effect of Trump-touted Covid-19 drug: Expert gets 'downsized' by rinselberg
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Originally posted by cvxjet:
How would you explain Trump to Eisenhower or Reagan? Both of them obviously put the welfare of the country above both themselves and their party. Both of them talked like adults, and both of them had class.


I think Eisenhower and Reagan would not need an explanation. I can't speak to Eisenhower but I think Reagan would vote for Trump, again.

I think your President has the interests of the country first and foremost, just as he tries to do the best by any business he operated.

Talk like adults ? Class ? Subjective.

 
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Trump has stated recently ... Do you see how utterly egocentric those statements are?


Even though you omitted context I do not. He is as egocentric as any coach might be if he were only berated, no matter the good he has done. Perhaps he has not done a perfect job but we didn't expect Jesus.

 
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What ever happened to the old conservative values that I hold dear; Fiscal responsibility- No Deficit spending, Pro-military but not pro-war, (Teddy; "Speak softly and carry a big stick"), and pro-middle class ...The Gigantic tax cut for the ultra rich while screwing the middle class and burying the country in debt completely contradicted those ideals ...


Fiscal responsibility :
I have seen no evidence either party has managed that when using other people's money. I do think the conservative ideals are more fiscally responsible. I also think their spending is more logical towards fiscal responsibility.

No Deficit spending :
Ha ! Neither party has achieved that, nor claimed they would. I hope that President Trump has an eye in the necessity of that, having been a business man and NOT a politician.

Pro-military but not pro-war :
Your President has had many an opportunity to go to war. The loony left has predicted more Trump caused wars than the zero he has started or responded to. Sometimes though, others need to know how a big stick feels when bopped upside the head.

The Gigantic tax cut blah blah blah :

How did that bury the middle class ?
The country, including voters who want their free ice cream, has been burying the country in debt since forever.

 
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Of course, numerous fellow conservatives told me that "We will build the economy up to eliminate all of that debt- what could go wrong?"


It worked for Democrat John F Kennedy and Republican Ronald Reagan. It also worked for your President.
Pray do tell ... how do you bring the economy up from the bottom up ? The richest already pay the most in taxes. American businesses are taxed the highest in the world, forcing our companies to relocate overseas in better tax climates. Just as people are fleeing high tax States.

 
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And the economy is doing just great now, right?


Really, ? Perhaps you didn't notice. It is in a pandemic downfall. As are the worlds economies.
Before the pandemic, it was doing the best in US history, on all fronts that come to mind right now.
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Talk like adults ? Class ? Subjective.



Leftists are fixated on what President Trump says.

His supporters are focused on what he does.


He Fights


Evan Sayet Jul 13, 2017

My Leftist friends (as well as many ardent #NeverTrumpers) constantly ask me if I’m not bothered by Donald Trump’s lack of decorum.

They ask if I don’t think his tweets are “beneath the dignity of the office.” Here’s my answer:

We Right-thinking people have tried dignity.

There could not have been a man of more quiet dignity than George W. Bush as he suffered the outrageous lies and politically motivated hatreds that undermined his presidency.

We tried statesmanship. Could there be another human being on this earth who so desperately prized “collegiality” as John McCain?

We tried propriety – has there been a nicer human being ever than Mitt Romney? And the results were always the same.

This is because, while we were playing by the rules of dignity, collegiality and propriety, the Left has been, for the past 60 years, engaged in a knife fight where the only rules are those of Saul Alinsky and the Chicago mob.

I don’t find anything “dignified,” “collegial” or “proper” about Barack Obama’s lying about what went down on the streets of Ferguson in order to ramp up racial hatreds because racial hatreds serve the Democratic Party. I don’t see anything “dignified” in lying about the deaths of four Americans in Benghazi and imprisoning an innocent filmmaker to cover your tracks. I don’t see anything “statesman-like” in weaponizing the IRS to be used to destroy your political opponents and any dissent. Yes, Obama was “articulate” and “polished” but in no way was he in the least bit “dignified,” “collegial” or “proper.”

The Left has been engaged in a war against America since the rise of the Children of the ‘60s. To them, it has been an all-out war where nothing is held sacred and nothing is seen as beyond the pale. It has been a war they’ve fought with violence, the threat of violence, demagoguery and lies from day one – the violent take-over of the universities – till today.

The problem is that, through these years, the Left has been the only side fighting this war. While the Left has been taking a knife to anyone who stands in their way, the Right has continued to act with dignity, collegiality and propriety.

With Donald Trump, this all has come to an end. Donald Trump is America’s first wartime president in the Culture War.

During wartime, things like “dignity” and “collegiality” simply aren’t the most essential qualities one looks for in their warriors. Ulysses Grant was a drunk whose behavior in peacetime might well have seen him drummed out of the Army for conduct unbecoming.

Had Abraham Lincoln applied the peacetime rules of propriety and booted Grant, the Democrats might well still be holding their slaves today. Lincoln rightly recognized that, “I cannot spare this man. He fights.”

General George Patton was a vulgar-talking, son-of-a-***** . In peacetime, this might have seen him stripped of rank. But, had Franklin Roosevelt applied the normal rules of decorum, then Hitler and the Socialists would barely be five decades into their thousand-year Reich.

Trump is fighting. And what’s particularly delicious is that, like Patton standing over the battlefield as his tanks obliterated Rommel’s, he’s shouting, “You magnificent bastards, I read your book!” That is just the icing on the cake, but it’s wonderful to see that not only is Trump fighting, he’s defeating the Left using their own tactics.

That book is Saul Alinsky’s Rules for Radicals – a book so essential to the Liberals’ war against America that it is and was the playbook for the entire Obama administration and the subject of Hillary Clinton’s senior thesis. It is a book of such pure evil, that, just as the rest of us would dedicate our book to those we most love or those to whom we are most indebted, Alinsky dedicated his book to Lucifer.

Trump’s tweets may seem rash and unconsidered but, in reality, he is doing exactly what Alinsky suggested his followers do.

First, instead of going after “the fake media” – and they are so fake that they have literally gotten every single significant story of the past 60 years not just wrong, but diametrically opposed to the truth, from the Tet Offensive to Benghazi, to what really happened on the streets of Ferguson, Missouri – Trump isolated CNN. He made it personal. Then, just as Alinsky suggests, he employs ridicule which Alinsky described as “the most powerful weapon of all.”

Everyone gets that it’s not just CNN – in fact, in a world where Al Sharpton and Rachel Maddow, Paul Krugman and Nicholas Kristof are people of influence and whose “reporting” is in no way significantly different than CNN’s – CNN is just a piker.

Most importantly, Trump’s tweets have put CNN in an untenable and unwinnable position. With Trump’s ability to go around them, they cannot simply stand pat. They need to respond. This leaves them with only two choices.

They can either “go high” (as Hillary would disingenuously declare of herself and the fake news would disingenuously report as the truth) and begin to honestly and accurately report the news or they can double-down on their usual tactics and hope to defeat Trump with twice their usual hysteria and demagoguery.

The problem for CNN (et al.) with the former is that, if they were to start honestly reporting the news, that would be the end of the Democratic Party they serve.
It is nothing but the incessant use of fake news (read: propaganda) that keeps the Left alive.

Imagine, for example, if CNN had honestly and accurately reported then-candidate Barack Obama’s close ties to foreign terrorists (Rashid Khalidi), domestic terrorists (William Ayers), the mafia (Tony Rezko) or the true evils of his spiritual mentor, Jeremiah Wright’s, church.

Imagine if they had honestly and accurately conveyed the evils of the Obama administration’s weaponizing of the IRS to be used against their political opponents or his running of guns to the Mexican cartels or the truth about the murder of Ambassador Christopher Stevens and the Obama administration’s cover-up.

This makes “going high” a non-starter for CNN. This leaves them no other option but to ratchet up the fake news, conjuring up the next “nothing burger” and devoting 24 hours a day to hysterical rants about how it’s “worse than Nixon.”

This, obviously, is what CNN has chosen to do. The problem is that, as they become more and more hysterical, they become more and more obvious. Each new effort at even faker news than before and faker “outrage” only makes that much more clear to any objective observer that Trump is and always has been right about the fake news media.

And, by causing their hysteria, Trump has forced them into numerous, highly embarrassing and discrediting mistakes. Thus, in their desperation, they have lowered their standards even further and run with articles so clearly fake that, even with the liberal (lower case “l”) libel laws protecting the media, they’ve had to wholly retract and erase their stories repeatedly.

Their flailing at Trump has even seen them cross the line into criminality, with CNN using their vast corporate fortune to hunt down a private citizen for having made fun of them in an Internet meme. This threat to “dox” – release of personal information to encourage co-ideologists to visit violence upon him and his family -- a political satirist was chilling in that it clearly wasn’t meant just for him. If it were, there would have been no reason for CNN to have made their “deal” with him public.

Instead, CNN – playing by “Chicago Rules” – was sending a message to any and all: dissent will not be tolerated.

This heavy-handed and hysterical response to a joke on the Internet has backfired on CNN, giving rise to only more righteous ridicule.

So, to my friends on the Left – and the #NeverTrumpers as well -- do I wish we lived in a time when our president could be “collegial” and “dignified” and “proper”? Of course I do. These aren’t those times. This is war. And it’s a war that the Left has been fighting without opposition for the past 50 years.

So, say anything you want about this president – I get it, he can be vulgar, he can be crude, he can be undignified at times. I don’t care.

I can’t spare this man. He fights.


https://townhall.com/column...3/he-fights-n2354580

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Evan Sayet is the author of The KinderGarden of Eden: How The Modern Liberal Thinks. His lecture to the Heritage Foundation on this same topic remains, some ten years later, by far the single most viewed lecture in their history.

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Good read. I had not noticed Trump employing Saul Alinsky’s Rules for Radicals. Evan Sayet seems to be right.

I used to laugh, still do, at the claim that President Trump acts un-presidential. Meant to ridicule. Anything a President does is Presidential, .

 
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Leftists are fixated on what President Trump says. His supporters are focused on what he does.


The leftists are indeed fixated on what President Trump does. So as to best spin their YAWN, to the President and their story telling yarn to "their people".
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Dr Bright's professional credentials include a PhD in Immunology and Molecular Pathogenesis from Emory University.


Those would be educational credentials.

Let's look at his professional credentials.

Who put that frail nimrod in the position he was fired from ? Losing a job crates enough stress to cause an inability to work ? Many people work with hypertension. He will likely ride that horse to death and sue the American citizens for Post Traumatic Stress Disorder.

Test your pain threshold at the three hours and thirty five minute mark. How much pain can you stand ?

Really, the whole US House of Representatives coverage was a complete embarrassment that someone placed Bright in that position.

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Well, cliffw, I am here to say--leaving Dr Bright aside--that President Trump's handling of the coronavirus incursion or world tour (more commonly referred to as a "pandemic", but this is an uncommon message) has been more of a negative in my eyes (and ears) than a positive.

First, his public explanations and remarks at the various press conferences, coronavirus briefings and other events where he has stepped in front of a microphone or spoken in front of reporters. HIs discourse has been ludicrous at times--too many times. His frequent references to the hydroxychloroquine medicine immediately raised two questions in my mind:
  1. Did he really know what the hell he was talking about?
  2. Was he consciously or even unconsciously (had the seed been planted in his mind?) doing a favor for someone with a financial interest in the promotion of the hydroxychloroquine medicine?

I'm going to cut this short, for the moment, but it's discourse like that, from President Trump, that sets the stage for a "Dr Bright" to come forward and accuse the Trump administration--among other complaints and accusations--of "shilling" for what was an unproven medication, when there was no good reason for the President to be singling out hydroxychloroquine in such a conspicuous manner.

When I started this forum topic, I put it forward as an emerging news story. I wasn't "shilling" for Dr Bright or--to invoke a football analogy--trying to put blocks on defenders and open up a running lane for Dr Bright. I worded my new topic "Previously unknown side effect of Trump-touted Covid-19 drug: Expert gets 'downsized'" with an eye to angling for the attention and interest of the forum "faithful."

Anyone who interprets that as my going all out for Dr Bright or endorsing him when the news story about him had only just surfaced--any such person (not referring to cliffw, particularly; just any such person) is not a skilled or careful reader. Anyone who reacted to my forum topic in an uncouth way is (1) either not a skilled or careful reader, or (2) is expressing some agenda on their part that precludes them from formulating any intelligent response to my forum topic--not saying anything at all would have been an intelligent response--the "null" response--or (3) is fundamentally uncouth. Very possibly "is, is and is"--checking off all three of those boxes.

I have no regrets or second thoughts about having started this forum topic, or starting it in the style and using the wordings that I used.

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Originally posted by rinselberg:

When I started this forum topic, I put it forward as an emerging news story. I wasn't "shilling" for Dr Bright.

Anyone who interprets that as my going all out for Dr Bright or endorsing him when the news story about him had only just surfaced is not a skilled or careful reader. Anyone who reacted to my forum topic in an uncouth way is (1) either not a skilled or careful reader, or (2) is expressing some agenda on their part that precludes them from formulating any intelligent response to my forum topic.


Perhaps you weren't "shilling" for Dr Bright. Yes you were, because it paints your President in a bad light. I am a careful reader and I read you just fine with your intelligence sources. Which expresses your agenda (which I have no problem with). Just as your intelligence sources, you never post anything positive about your President.

 
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Well, cliffw, I am here to say that President Trump's handling of the coronavirus "pandemic" has been more of a negative in my eyes than a positive.


Did your President do anything right ? Did any of the Dumbocrats offer up a winning idea ?

 
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My President's discourse has been ludicrous at times--too many times.

His frequent references to the hydroxychloroquine medicine immediately raised two questions in my mind:
  1. Did he really know what the hell he was talking about?
  2. Was he consciously or even unconsciously (had the seed been planted in his mind?) doing a favor for someone with a financial interest in the promotion of the hydroxychloroquine medicine?


Your President's references to the hydroxychloroquine medicine immediately raised two questions in your mind ? Your agenda is very telling.

Your President relayed information he had heard which he thought was credible. Information which a Dumbocrat Congressional member thanked him for, in the Oval Office. It saved her life.

 
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... it's discourse like that, from President Trump, that sets the stage for a "Dr Bright" to come forward and accuse the Trump administration--among other complaints and accusations--of "shilling" for what was an unproven medication, when there was no good reason for the President to be singling out hydroxychloroquine in such a conspicuous manner.


As it relates to chloroquine, it was Dr. Bright who requested an Emergency Use Authorization (EUA) from the Food and Drug Administration (FDA) for donations of chloroquine that Bayer and Sandoz recently made to the Strategic National Stockpile for use on COVID-19 patients.

Rick Brights demotion was more than a year in the making — Bright had clashed with department leaders about his decisions and the scope of his authority — but came abruptly, said five current and former HHS officials.

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Did your President do anything right?

He stopped the daily (or near daily) Reelection Campaign events that he was staging, which were disguised or masquerading as "Coronavirus Briefings."

Although if he hadn't already been doing that, he wouldn't have had to stop.

There is a Contact Tracing Gap, which is being exacerbated (in part) by a Testing Gap. There has been (and continues to be) a Personal Protective Equipment or PPE Gap.

From my perspective, as a prospective SARS-CoV-2 virus replication center or (as more commonly described) a "potential Covid-19 victim", the Trump administration and especially the President himself--particularly with his habit of making bizarre and incoherent remarks--has created the perception of a Confidence Gap.

But instead of continuing in the same way, of playing a kind of badminton where the shuttlecock is the last posted message from one forum member or another, I am puzzling over a fairly brief "read" that was brought to my attention by--you guessed it--MSNBC.

"To Fix the COVID-19 Testing Gap, Take a Lesson from GM (or the Pentagon)"
Jeremy Konyndyk, Kevin O’Connell and Dylan George for Just Security; May 21, 2020.
https://www.justsecurity.or...-gm-or-the-pentagon/

Could the President be achieving even more in the burgeoning field of Gap Mitigation by reorienting towards the implementation of a more assertive and organized national posture, empowered by a more proactive vision of the Oval Office, in terms of bringing the unique possibilities of the Federal Government into play to better effect what seem to be the obvious requirements for Supply Chain Optimization?

In a word, "Logistics."

In two words, "More Logistics."

In five words, "More Federal Oversight of Logistics."

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Confidence Gap? Do you really think the President is going to fix this mess by himself? Do you really think it's his fault you might be infected? I'm beginning to think randye is correct in his evaluation of your mental state.

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Confidence Gap? Do you really think the President is going to fix this mess by himself? Do you really think it's his fault you might be infected? I'm beginning to think randye is correct in his evaluation of your mental state.



It isn't just my evaluation.

 
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I don't need to be reminded that I am not the Poster Boy for perfect mental and emotional well being.



"perfect" ?

Hell, he's not even passable.

He also openly discussed his mental health counseling on this forum.

I'll go find that too.

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Your President's references to the hydroxychloroquine medicine immediately raised two questions in your mind ? Your agenda is very telling.

Your President relayed information he had heard which he thought was credible. Information which a Dumbocrat Congressional member thanked him for, in the Oval Office. It saved her life
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The President should never have been talking about any conjectured or unproven pharmaceuticals for the treatment or prevention of Covid-19 in the casual and unqualified way that he did, and for him to have used his "bully bulls**t pulpit" to call so much attention to one such pharmaceutical in particular--hydroxychloroquine--was like the work of a compensated actor or endorser in a TV commercial.

Unless that "Dumbocrat" woman of Congress received advice from the President about hydroxychloroquine as a treatment for lupus or a prophylactic that can ward off malaria, she wasn't informed by the President. She was misinformed.

She may have thanked him, thinking that hydroxychloroquine was what saved her from Covid-19, but unless she was part of some clinical trial in that context, there isn't a shred of credible evidence to confirm what is only another anecdotal attribution of hydroxychloroquine's anti-Covid-19 effectiveness and efficacy.

More recently, I became aware of Dr Rick "the whistle blower" Bright's interest in hydroxychloroquine, and New York's governor, Andrew Cuomo (I think) had some ideas about it, as well. Doesn't change the story line, as far as the President and his remarkable offering up of hydroxychloroquine's as a "shiny new(s) object."

I wouldn't think any better of Trump on this subject (or any subject) if the New York Times were to come out in its next edition with a front page banner headline in "moon walk-sized" text ... "PROOF THAT HYDROXYCHLOROQUINE PREVENTS COVID-19..!!!!" It's not like it would me think that Trump had any actual information about it. It would be among the most bizarre coincidences in all of human history, but it wouldn't make me think any better of the man.

The President should eliminate altogether his well known habit of regularly following Fox News personalities like Tucker Carlson, Sean Hannity, Laura Ingraham, and "Fox and Friends"--two male doofuses on a couch, with a high end department store's female mannikin seated in between. They got hydroxychloroquine written all over them.

Some of them, anyway.

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The President should never have been talking about......

Trump should eliminate altogether his well known viewing of .......






 
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I don't need to be reminded that I am not the Poster Boy for perfect mental and emotional well being.



You're constantly reminding everyone else though Ronald.


PSYCHIATRIC HELP.......GO GET SOME

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Did your President [Trump] do anything right? Did any of the Dumbocrats offer up a winning idea?


"Biden’s False Claim on Trump’s Response to Coronavirus"
Rem Rieder for FactCheck.Org; April 1, 2020.
 
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Former Vice President Joe Biden was wrong when he said that the Trump administration made no effort to get U.S. medical experts into China as the novel coronavirus epidemic spread there early this year.

“When we were talking … early on in this crisis, we said — I said, among others, that, you know, you should get into China, get our experts there, we have the best in the world, get them in so we know what’s actually happening,” Biden, the front-runner for the Democratic presidential nomination, said at a CNN virtual town hall on March 27. “There was no effort to do that.”

Except that isn’t the case.

The U.S. Centers for Disease Control and Prevention tried to get into China just one week after China reported the outbreak to the World Health Organization on Dec. 31, 2019.

<SNIP>

The complete report is online:
https://www.factcheck.org/2...onse-to-coronavirus/

FactCheck.Org is billed as a project of the Annenberg Public Policy Center.

This was published on April 1, but I don't think it's an April Fool's Day gag.


"Let the chips fall where they may."

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"FDA pulls emergency use authorization of hydroxychloroquine for COVID-19"
 
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The regulatory agency said the drug is "unlikely to be effective" in treating the coronavirus.

The Food and Drug Administration rescinded the emergency use authorization for hydroxychloroquine to treat hospitalized COVID-19 patients on Monday, saying the drug carries too many risks without any apparent benefit.

The authorization was first issued in March, and applied to patients hospitalized with the illness and those in clinical trials. In April, the FDA warned doctors against prescribing the drug to COVID-19 patients outside of those settings. Monday's action will not affect clinical trials, which are expected to continue.

The announcement covers both hydroxychloroquine and a related compound, chloroquine phosphate.

Full coverage of the coronavirus outbreak

The decades-old drugs are traditionally used to treat malaria and certain autoimmune conditions, including lupus and rheumatoid arthritis, and the FDA's announcement does not apply to these uses.

. . .

Hydroxychloroquine first gained attention as a potential COVID-19 treatment in February, when two small studies suggested it might be useful against the virus. President Donald Trump encouraged its use, even saying in May that he took the medication to prevent COVID-19, despite any evidence it would work. In fact, a study published in early June found hydroxychloroquine was no better than a placebo at preventing coronavirus infection.

. . .

Erika Edwards for NBC News; June 15, 2020.
https://www.nbcnews.com/hea...ne-covid-19-n1231076


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"The Food and Drug Administration rescinded the emergency use authorization for hydroxychloroquine to treat hospitalized COVID-19 patients."

Your cut and paste left off a very important part.
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Originally posted by rinselberg:
"FDA pulls emergency use authorization of hydroxychloroquine for COVID-19"


What does NBC stand for rinselberg ? Never Been Correct ?

Hydroxychloroquine helped save coronavirus patients, study shows; Trump campaign hails 'fantastic news'
Drug touted by Trump was mocked by media


JULY 6TH, 2020

 
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Researchers at the Henry Ford Health System in Southeast Michigan have found that early administration of the drug hydroxychloroquine makes hospitalized patients substantially less likely to die.


Perhaps you would like to see it from Counterfeit News Network, umm, CNN.

Dr. Marcus Zervos, division head of infectious disease for Henry Ford Health System, said 26% of those not given hydroxychloroquine died, compared to 13% of those who got the drug. The team looked back at everyone treated in the hospital system since the first patient in March.
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Perhaps you would like to see it from Counterfeit News Network, umm, CNN.

Dr. Marcus Zervos, division head of infectious disease for Henry Ford Health System, said 26% of those not given hydroxychloroquine died, compared to 13% of those who got the drug. The team looked back at everyone treated in the hospital system since the first patient in March.



I've not been paying any attention to this drug, and have really no opinion for or against the drug.

What I do know is... the deranged left will decry anything that Trump says is good, and will immediately double-down their attack of (whatever it is) even when faced with overwhelming evidence. If

I'm not mistaken, isn't hydroxy(whatever) an antibiotic that people were being given to treat (or prevent) Malaria, but it was giving people crazy dreams, so they switched to heavy doses of Doxycycline?
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The study by the Henry Ford Health System in Detroit was published last week in the International Journal of Infectious Diseases. Researchers looked at 2,541 patients hospitalized due to COVID-19 and found that 13 percent of those treated with hydroxychloroquine died from the disease while 26.4 percent not given the drug died.

Critics note that the Henry Ford trial was not randomized or double-blind, meaning that doctors screened who they gave the medication to, possibly skewing the results. Even Henry Ford CEO Steven Kalkanis conceded that the study is far from definitive.

 
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Henry Ford Health System is also conducting a separate, controlled hydroxychloroquine study, the results of which are expected later this month, that will look into whether the drug is effective in the way that Trump says he used it, as a prophylaxis against COVID-19.

There's more online (that's from today) at Yahoo! News.
https://news.yahoo.com/hydr...-quit-180041001.html

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There's more online (that's from today) at Yahoo! News.
https://news.yahoo.com/hydr...-quit-180041001.html

"Henry Ford Health System is also conducting a separate, controlled hydroxychloroquine study, the results of which are expected later this month, that will look into whether the drug is effective in the way that Trump says he used it, as a prophylaxis against COVID-19."




So, again, I have no opinion for or against (just don't care enough really). But what I'm seeing here is... it looks like Trump was right, and since it's looking like he was right all along, they're now going to nit-pick on exactly what he said so they can determine if he was still wrong to some extent.
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Reserve your copy now. I heard a rumor that the first 1,000 copies will be signed by Dr Fauci.
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https://www.bitchute.com/video/nRoTWJuTRZTE/

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I'd been thinking of going with this one, and bumping this thread back to the top.

The "cliffw" did it, before I could decide to pull the trigger.

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HOUSTON PHYSICIAN DR. STELLA EMANUEL GOES TO WASHINGTON TO ANNOUNCE THE COVID-19 CURE

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Is this woman a doctor who preaches on the side, or is she a preacher who practices medicine part time?

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"My Cousin Vinny"

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"Meet the New Boss. Same as the Old Boss."
CNN's Anderson Cooper focuses on the latest Covid-related retweet @realDonaldTrump.

Keywords and phrases:
Hydroxychloroquine, Astral Sex, Alien DNA, Nephilim, Noah (Old Testament), Noah (Trevor), Biblical Flood.

 
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Trevor Noah Unloads on Trump for Trusting ‘Dr. Demon Sperm’
Matt Wilstein for The Daily Beast; July 29, 2020.
https://www.thedailybeast.c...a-immanuel?ref=topic

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Supplemental reading

"Trump’s New Favorite COVID Doctor Believes in Alien DNA, Demon Sperm, and Hydroxychloroquine"
Will Sommer for The Daily Beast; July 28, 2020.
https://www.thedailybeast.c...d-hydroxychloroquine

"Dark money and PAC's coordinated 'reopen' push are behind [Trump touted] doctors' hydroxychloroquine video"
Brandy Zadrozny and Ben Collins for NBC News; July 28, 2020.
https://www.nbcnews.com/tec...ind-doctors-n1235100

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The smear campaign ramps up to a new level, eh rinselberg?

This Doctors claims can be checked and verified. Why the hate?
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The smear campaign ramps up to a new level, eh rinselberg?

This Doctors claims can be checked and verified. Why the hate?


Hate ? I don't think rinselberg has that quality. He has been drinking indoctrination koolaid to excess.

It's a liberal tactic to attack the messenger when you can not refute the argument.
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Immanuel is a licensed doctor in Texas and lists her practice as the Rehoboth Medical Center. That medical center is listed as being registered with the Texas Comptroller of Public Accounts in September 2019 by Solange Gabice. We reached Gabice by phone, but she hung up when we asked if her clinic was treating COVID-19 patients with hydroxychloroquine.

It’s worth noting also that the same strip mall in Katy, Texas, that houses the clinic also houses Fire Power Ministries, a Christian ministry run by Immanuel.



Actually........I thought she was very impressive in the sense that she came — I don’t know which country she comes from — but she said that she’s had tremendous success with hundreds of different patients. And I thought her voice was an important voice, but I know nothing about her.

The good Dr's 'medical facility'.....


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The smear campaign ramps up to a new level, eh rinselberg? This Doctors claims can be checked and verified. Why the hate?

President Trump used his famous @realDonaldTrump Twitter account to "retweet" a video of these people, including this hydroxychloroquine-enthused Dr Stella Immanuel who is (or has been) an Evangelical-style preacher from the pulpit at "Firepower Ministries", located (conveniently) next to her medical office. An Evangelical-style preacher who is recorded on video preaching or conversing (presumably with a congregation in front of her) about Astral Sex, Demon Sperm, Alien DNA, women being impregnated by evil spirits while they are asleep and experiencing dreams--very "fringe", I would think, among America's Evangelical Christians, although I'm not speaking personally as an Evangelical of any kind.

Since I am not a full-time investigative and research enterprise, I cannot personally proceed to the checking and verification (or debunking) of the claims for hydroxychloroquine efficacy against Covid-19 that were being put out on video by this group of doctors.

I am waiting for that to come in a public statement from President Trump--and my expectations in that regard are "small." Very small.

When questioned by a CNN reporter, President Trump explained that he used his @realDonaldTrump Twitter account to "post" (retweet) this video of Dr Stella Immanuel (et al) because he considered her to be a "significant voice", and in literally the same breath, said that he "knew nothing about her."

Aside from another Trump-created "Shiny New Object" for mainstream media reporters and venues to have "fun" with, I don't see any connection that links Dr Stella Immanuel (et al) to the Covid-19 situation and related economic and social concerns (resumption of in-person school systems and colleges; etc.) whatsoever. Not a positive or Up Side-trending connection, at any rate.

In somewhat the same way as these mainstream media reporters and venues, I myself am just having "fun" by putting it up here.

It comes in the context of talk about the President "pivoting" and presenting a more credible "face" or "attitude" to the public about the Covid-19 situation and its ramifications for the nation's economy, education (etc.)

Let me paraphrase something I'm familiar with from the "Sex, Lies and Murder" genre of On Demand Reality-Based television content from my truly idlest moments:
 
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A controversial hydroxychloroquine therapy that has largely been rejected by the most established medical practitioners and researchers, a medical doctor who doubles as a preacher on the far fringes of Evangelical Christian theology and practice, Dark Money, PACs, a President in the last months of a reelection campaign who "bigly" desires to reenergize the nation's economy against the currents of a pandemic disease caused by an as-yet incompletely understood virus... What Could Possibly Go Wrong?

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You, like many on the far left, just love trying to make anything Trump says as Orange Man Bad. But when the truth comes out you never ever give him any credit should he be correct. It's very tiring and places you squarely in the Troll category.

Hell we still have one person here saying Russia, Russia, Russia.
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I know who you (Hudini) are referencing with that remark.

If I'm not saying "Russia, Russia, Russia" myself, right now, it's only because I don't want to spare the time for it.

President Trump just did a one-on-one interview with reporter Jonathan Swan of Axios(.com) and it was stunning. President Trump is living in the rear pocket (right side or left side, I do not know) of Vladimir Putin's favorite dress trousers. For what reasons(s) ... TBD.

About the best thing President Trump could do for this country right now is to surreptitiously (secretly) bring his niece and newly published author Mary L. Trump into some backroom of the White House and let HER start Presiding over the Executive Branch, while he devotes himself full time to his golfing and his @realDonaldTrump Twitter account.


Here's a small column that just came out about the hydroxychoroquine-enthused Dr Stella Immanuel that was "retweeted" @realDonaldTrump:

"Stella Immanuel - the doctor behind unproven coronavirus cure claim"
Dickens Olewe for BBC News; July 29, 2020.
https://www.bbc.com/news/world-africa-53579773

The RESISTANCE has approved this message.


Oh, I almost forget... the far left (your words.) Really? I think you have the far left confused with the The Far Side (syndicated cartoon drawings series)... and that's where I think you're coming from, politically. The Far Side... https://www.thefarside.com

But hey--I like you. Or I like your presence here. This would be a less interesting forum without you.

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OK, so who hasn't slept with a few witches?

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