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I'd say do not take the Coronavirus lightly. Watch this expert's interview segment. by 2.5
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From 31:40 the Coronavirus conversation continues


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E3URhJx0NSw
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There are coronavirus19 laymen, and there are some coronavirus19 folks that are learning a lot every day but there are No coronavirus19 'experts'.
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Originally posted by maryjane:

There are coronavirus19 laymen, and there are some coronavirus19 folks that are learning a lot every day but there are No coronavirus19 'experts'.


I guess I meant communicable disease expert
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The one nit to pick with his thoughts are does it spread via breathing?
Perhaps a sneeze travels through the air a long time?
Perhaps its not technically a breath out?

Because the cdc says:

"There is much to learn about the novel coronavirus that causes coronavirus disease 2019 (COVID-19). Based on what is currently known about the novel coronavirus and similar coronaviruses that cause SARS and MERS, spread from person-to-person with these viruses happens most frequently among close contacts (within about 6 feet). This type of transmission occurs via respiratory droplets. On the other hand, transmission of novel coronavirus to persons from surfaces contaminated with the virus has not been documented. Transmission of coronavirus occurs much more commonly through respiratory droplets than through fomites. Current evidence suggests that novel coronavirus may remain viable for hours to days on surfaces made from a variety of materials. Cleaning of visibly dirty surfaces followed by disinfection is a best practice measure for prevention of COVID-19 and other viral respiratory illnesses in households and community settings."
https://www.cdc.gov/coronav...ng-disinfection.html

What I dont get is why does it say to disinfect surfaces if "transmission of novel coronavirus to persons from surfaces contaminated with the virus has not been documented"....

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because 'absence of evidence does not equal evidence of absence'.
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What I dont get is why does it say to disinfect surfaces if "transmission of novel coronavirus to persons from surfaces contaminated with the virus has not been documented"....

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People are instructed to clean surfaces because it is a relatively easy prophylactic measure that can be accomplished by most anyone and costs very little.

It is a measure that people can take UNTIL the communication vectors of this new pathogen are better understood.

The idea that people have to be instructed to do what should be everyday, normal, things like washing their hands and cleaning surfaces around them is astonishing to me.
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The idea that people have to be instructed to do what should be everyday, normal, things like washing their hands and cleaning surfaces around them is astonishing to me.


What's normal to you might not be normal to someone else.

Some of us think nothing of having a sandwich and coffee right on the workbench while taking a break from working on a car, while others want a shower and scrub down before they even think of food or drink.

Same principle.
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What's normal to you might not be normal to someone else.

Some of us think nothing of having a sandwich and coffee right on the workbench while taking a break from working on a car, while others want a shower and scrub down before they even think of food or drink.

Same principle.



No, no it is not the "same principle". People should have been washing their hands for ages. So many of us take great care of that which is around us, and a small, ever increasing percentage of folks just do not care what they do, or whom they do it to.

3 hours yesterday in line at the grocery store. I watched folks freak the faq out. I smiled on the outside with those around me as we laughed. Complete strangers laughing at idiots breaking down mentally because they cannot handle. The idiots were easy to spot. Just dirt. Dirt individuals leeching off of others.

Oh yeah, KAG2020.
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No, no it is not the "same principle". People should have been washing their hands for ages. So many of us take great care of that which is around us, and a small, ever increasing percentage of folks just do not care what they do, or whom they do it to.

3 hours yesterday in line at the grocery store. I watched folks freak the faq out. I smiled on the outside with those around me as we laughed. Complete strangers laughing at idiots breaking down mentally because they cannot handle. The idiots were easy to spot. Just dirt. Dirt individuals leeching off of others.

Oh yeah, KAG2020.


I agree. I've been observing the stupidity for years. Not that I'm perfect by any stretch. These people cannot handle anything that removes them from their bubble.
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What's normal to you might not be normal to someone else.

Some of us think nothing of having a sandwich and coffee right on the workbench while taking a break from working on a car, while others want a shower and scrub down before they even think of food or drink.

Same principle.


Your response triggered a memory from when I worked at GM. We had one worker there that had reduced mental capacity. He was a great worker never complained and worked hard. But, cleanliness and sanitation was not something he worried about. He was tasked with cleaning the machinery. He would crawl under and into the drip pans on the various lathes, mills and other machines. He was always caked with goo, scum, oil and dirt. He would come into the break are to take a break and take out a sandwich and without cleaning his hands would grab hold of the sandwich, leaving greasy, gooey, slimy finger prints on the bread. And it never bothered him. Most of us would try to help him by telling him to go clean up, but most of the time he didn't unless forced to. He probably had more immunity that all the rest of us, since he didn't ever seem to get sick.
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Originally posted by randye:


People are instructed to clean surfaces because it is a relatively easy prophylactic measure that can be accomplished by most anyone and costs very little.

It is a measure that people can take UNTIL the communication vectors of this new pathogen are better understood.

The idea that people have to be instructed to do what should be everyday, normal, things like washing their hands and cleaning surfaces around them is astonishing to me.


The other part of it is that it is pretty difficult to just 'accept' that 1/2 of the 150,597 people confirmed to have the virus were directly sneezed or coughed upon by the other 1/2 of them, or that they kissed or otherwise exchanged fluids. Possible I suppose but the last part would most likely only apply to family members or lovers, and the transmissions in work groups doesn't seem to point to that being the case.

Example.
"The state of Massachusetts announced 51 new presumptive positive cases Tuesday that are awaiting confirmation by the US Centers for Disease Control and Prevention. The surge brings the total number of confirmed or presumptive positive cases in Massachusetts to 92.
Seventy of the cases are related to an employee meeting at Cambridge biotechnology company Biogen, state Health and Human Services Secretary Marylou Sudders said.


70 people were sneezed or coughed on by someone in that big meeting? Doubtful, or at least hard to believe.

"Documenting" transmission from a hard surface like plastic or stainless steel to a human would be something that would take place in a tight security medical research lab, (perhaps with lab animals?) but until that takes place, a form of Occam's Razor comes into play and everything's on the table until shaved away.

I'm pretty good about washing my hands often when working around the cattle and in the dirt, as I know all about ecoli, C.diff, c.bot and c.tet but in everyday otherwise work, not so much. Dang sure careful using LVs MLVs every year tho. I don't really want to give myself an accidental vaccination for anthrax..

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...... a form of Occam's Razor comes into play and everything's on the table until shaved away.



...or wiped away with a proper disinfectant.

Where's that picture of yours showing the woman with the filthy hand holding a strawberry when we need it......

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Originally posted by 2.5:

The one nit to pick with his thoughts are does it spread via breathing?




I heard on the radio that it can be passed by farts. If someone farts on you, and they don't have their pants on, and your face is really close to their butt, you can also contract it very easily. Thought this was weird because I can't remember the last time this ever happened to me... had someone naked-fart in my face... not something that occurs on a normal work-day.


Maybe in the locker room in middle school...
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Here's a legit question, does one manually wash all the grocery items when they get home, cans, bread bags, boxes?
Leave all the non spoiling ones sit for a week for the possible virus to die?

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LIttle snippet from Feb 20 states they believe you can catch it a 2nd time.

https://www.cleveland.com/m...19-news-roundup.html
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Originally posted by 2.5:

Here's a legit question, does one manually wash all the grocery items when they get home, cans, bread bags, boxes?
Leave all the non spoiling ones sit for a week for the possible virus to die?



Did you clean off your credit /debit card after you swiped it? (you don't know what was on the cards that were swiped before yours)

Did you pay cash? What is on the change you were handed back? Where was it before you got it?

Did you clean and disinfect your hands before opening your car or handling your keys?

Did you clean your hands before grabbing your car door or steering wheel or gearshift or seatbelt or radio / HVAC controls or sun visor, etc.?

Did you clean your hands before you put on your sunglasses?

Afterwards?

Did you clean your doorknob after you touched it when bringing your groceries in at home?

Did you also touch the doorframe? The wall? A light switch? Did you clean those?

Did you clean the outside of the grocery bags that were sitting in that dirty grocery cart?

Did you clean the trunk or seat of your car where those bags sat?

Did you clean your hands and the countertop or table after you had those bags on them?

The point is that there are dozens of everyday vectors to communicate pathogens and it's nearly impossible to account for them all in an uncontrolled, septic, environment of normal daily life.

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Did you clean off your credit /debit card after you swiped it? (you don't know what was on the cards that were swiped before yours)

Did you pay cash? What is on the change you were handed back? Where was it before you got it?

Did you clean and disinfect your hands before opening your car or handling your keys?

Did you clean your hands before grabbing your car door or steering wheel or gearshift or seatbelt or radio / HVAC controls or sun visor, etc.?

Did you clean your hands before you put on your sunglasses?

Afterwards?

Did you clean your doorknob after you touched it when bringing your groceries in at home?

Did you also touch the doorframe? The wall? A light switch? Did you clean those?

Did you clean the outside of the grocery bags that were sitting in that dirty grocery cart?

Did you clean the trunk or seat of your car where those bags sat?

Did you clean your hands and the countertop or table after you had those bags on them?

The point is that there are dozens of everyday vectors to communicate pathogens and it's nearly impossible to account for them all in an uncontrolled, septic, environment of normal daily life.


Did he buy all those things today at the grocery store or hardware store where an unknown # of people handled them recently?
Or have those things been in his own possession for months or years?

I ALWAYS wash all fresh produce when I get it home and have for years. e. Coli..salmonella.
I also wipe off the tops of canned goods.Frozen and fresh poultry, I definitely wash before getting it ready to cook for the same reason..salmonella. Nasty stuff it is.

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I've been house-hunting for a year. On Sunday, I met a realtor at a home for a private showing. As soon as I got out of my car, the realtor informed me (in a polite manner) that we were not going to be shaking hands. That was fine. When we got to the front door, I informed the realtor that out of respect to the home owners (who are still living in this house) that I wouldn't be touching anything, including door knobs. So it was kind of funny that I had to wait for the realtor to open and close every door for me, and to turn on and off every light switch. Now I know what it's like to be treated like a lady.

Welcome to the new reality!
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