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Senate Democrats ask DOJ inspector General to probe claims of political interference. by rinselberg
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Dem Senators---Democratic Party-affiliated Senators--well, there are 10 of them, all members of the Senate Judiciary Committee, and they've signed their names to a letter that's addressed to the Department of Justice's Inspector General or IG, the Honorable Michael E. Horowitz.

The letter requests that the IG "investigate an apparent pattern of political interference in Justice Department matters of personal or political interest to the President."

The letter starts with three top-level bulleted paragraphs about DOJ and (1) Roger Stone, (2) Mike Flynn and (3) Andrew McCabe.

After the signature page, there is a litany of other matters in an appendix of five pages for the IG to consider, including the President's tax returns, his efforts and methods of funding Border Wall construction, Rudy Giuliani, and certain companies and U.S states that the Senators suggest are being unfairly "targeted" by the President, including the so-called 'Fake News Network" or CNN, and the state of California.

There are three outstanding reasons that I have decided to present this as a New Topic:
  1. I felt like it.
  2. The letter is a handy compendium ("Don't leave home without it") of complaints about the President, from Senators who (I think) fairly represent the Democratic Party's "center of gravity" or maybe somewhat to the Left of that--a more activist, progressive or "woke" group of Senators, relative to the political center of gravity in terms of the Democratic Party's representation in the U.S. Senate.
  3. The format of the letter could be of interest to any Pennock's forum member or lurker who needs to draft a business or other consequential letter of their own.

The letter itself:
https://www.documentcloud.o...ter-to-OIG-2-27.html

An NBC News report about the letter, from NBC News reporter Leigh Ann Caldwell, published yesterday on February 27, 2020.
https://www.nbcnews.com/pol...nterference-n1144366
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So, a handful of Democrats are requesting that their political rival be investigated because they believe that he requested that his political rival be investigated.

That entire letter should be a campaign commercial, not a government document.
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Originally posted by rinselberg:

Dem Senators---Democratic Party-affiliated Senators--well, there are 10 of them, all members of the Senate Judiciary Committee, and they've signed their names to a letter that's addressed to the Department of Justice's Inspector General or IG, the Honorable Michael E. Horowitz.

The letter requests that the IG "investigate an apparent pattern of political interference in Justice Department matters of personal or political interest to the President."

The letter starts with three top-level bulleted paragraphs about DOJ and (1) Roger Stone, (2) Mike Flynn and (3) Andrew McCabe.

After the signature page, there is a litany of other matters in an appendix of five pages for the IG to consider, including the President's tax returns, his efforts and methods of funding Border Wall construction, Rudy Giuliani, and certain companies and U.S states that the Senators suggest are being unfairly "targeted" by the President, including the so-called 'Fake News Network" or CNN, and the state of California.

There are three outstanding reasons that I have decided to present this as a New Topic:
  1. I felt like it.
  2. The letter is a handy compendium ("Don't leave home without it") of complaints about the President, from Senators who (I think) fairly represent the Democratic Party's "center of gravity" or maybe somewhat to the Left of that--a more activist, progressive or "woke" group of Senators, relative to the political center of gravity in terms of the Democratic Party's representation in the U.S. Senate.
  3. The format of the letter could be of interest to any Pennock's forum member or lurker who needs to draft a business or other consequential letter of their own.

The letter itself:
https://www.documentcloud.o...ter-to-OIG-2-27.html

An NBC News report about the letter, from NBC News reporter Leigh Ann Caldwell, published yesterday on February 27, 2020.
https://www.nbcnews.com/pol...nterference-n1144366


And?
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Originally posted by rinselberg:

Dem Senators---Democratic Party-affiliated Senators--well ... blah blah




Rinse... you need to wake up. The Democrat party, what's left of it, has turned Socialist. The only ones left are psychopaths (people with mental issues) and those who aren't really paying attention. The Democrats in power are doing everything in their control to strop what Trump is doing because he's fixing all the problems that the last few presidents said were too hard to fix. He's relentlessly in pursuit of solving these issues despite the corrupt Democrats unleashing every single thing they possibly can.

... at least now we can admit, today, that the media is implicitly biased against Republicans. It used to be a discussion point, but with the Democrats revealing everything, and pulling out all the stops, they've shown their true colors in the media.

Enjoy your socialist. I don't think your party can recover from this... it will either become permanently Socialist, or there will be three parties now.

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Originally posted by williegoat:

So, a handful of Democrats are requesting that their political rival be investigated because they believe that he requested that his political rival be investigated.

That entire letter should be a campaign commercial, not a government document.


Didn't we just have an impeachment based on the same thing? Hmmm!

However, it was the clueless Democrats trying to pin something on President Trump. How did that work out? Not too well if you are a Democrat. They looked extremely foolish if not just outright stupid. Yep, they impeached President Trump. They could do that because they own the House. But, politically the Democrats lost out. Trump's polling numbers are up since the Impeachment was turned aside.

But, again the Democrats are trying to weaponize the system again. I guess they haven't learned yet.
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Originally posted by 82-T/A [At Work]:

Rinse... you need to wake up. The Democrat party, what's left of it, has turned Socialist. The only ones left are psychopaths (people with mental issues) and those who aren't really paying attention. The Democrats in power are doing everything in their control to strop what Trump is doing because he's fixing all the problems that the last few presidents said were too hard to fix. He's relentlessly in pursuit of solving these issues despite the corrupt Democrats unleashing every single thing they possibly can.

... at least now we can admit, today, that the media is implicitly biased against Republicans. It used to be a discussion point, but with the Democrats revealing everything, and pulling out all the stops, they've shown their true colors in the media.

Enjoy your socialist. I don't think your party can recover from this... it will either become permanently Socialist, or there will be three parties now.


OK ... I'm "woke"

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What ever...…..

How about having the DOJ IG look into the Clinton/FBI dossier crap or Obama having the IRS target certain Conservative groups.

This crap seems to never end and it's normally initiated by the Democrats. Yeah, they make me proud to be a registered Democrat.

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Originally posted by rinselberg:


OK ... I'm "woke"





And?
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Who can say definitively (not just guess) exactly what the Republicans in Congress did or did not seek, in the way of redress, vis-à-vis the issues singled out by Pennock's Forum Member "blackrams" which came up before President Trump's first day in office?

What kind(s) of redress did the Republicans pursue, and where is the online documentation that reveals exactly what happened?


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Originally posted by olejoedad:

And?


And we may all live to regret waking the rinselberg.

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Originally posted by williegoat:

And we may all live to regret waking the rinselberg.


The initiator of this thread apparently woke up all on his own but, speaking for myself, I regret contributing to the opportunity to progress his propaganda. Sorry about that.

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Originally posted by blackrams:

The initiator of this thread apparently woke up all on his own but, speaking for myself, I regret contributing to the opportunity to progress his propaganda. Sorry about that.

Rams

Those weren't just rhetorical questions that I formulated.

I don't know the answers.

FWIW.
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Originally posted by rinselberg:

Who can say definitively (not just guess) exactly what the Republicans in Congress did or did not seek, in the way of redress, vis-à-vis the issues singled out by Pennock's Forum Member "blackrams" which came up before President Trump's first day in office?


Who can say definitively? The answer is in your question: the Republicans in Congress


 
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What kind(s) of redress did the Republicans pursue, and where is the online documentation that reveals exactly what happened?


For starters, how about this: Attorney General Jeff Sessions Announces Department of Justice has Settled with Plaintiff Groups Improperly Targeted by IRS
 
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"But it is now clear that during the last Administration, the IRS began using inappropriate criteria to screen applications for 501(c) status. These criteria included names such as “Tea Party,” “Patriots,” or “9/12” or policy positions concerning government spending or taxes, education of the public to “make America a better place to live,” or statements criticizing how the country was being run. It is also clear these criteria disproportionately impacted conservative groups.”



Regarding the other issue addressed by blackrams:
 
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How about having the DOJ IG look into the Clinton/FBI dossier crap


I have posted quite a bit of documentation in this thread: And so, it begins.
This is an ongoing investigation.

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That message will not interact with my eyes. I'm not interested in reading that particular forum member's ideas about what other forum members (myself and others) should do, or about what they are. Even if the message doesn't include any of that, I'm not interested. Too many "priors."

Others (I guess it goes without saying) are free to "play" if they can address the particulars of my last topic (or message) itself, but without getting "personal" in that same kind of way.

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Originally posted by rinselberg:

That message will not interact with my eyes.



If there was ever a single intelligent thought in your head it would have died from loneliness.
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Originally posted by williegoat:

Who can say definitively? The answer is in your question: the Republicans in Congress

For starters, how about this: Attorney General Jeff Sessions Announces Department of Justice has Settled with Plaintiff Groups Improperly Targeted by IRS

But it is now clear that during the last Administration, the IRS began using inappropriate criteria to screen applications for 501(c) status. These criteria included names such as “Tea Party,” “Patriots,” or “9/12” or policy positions concerning government spending or taxes, education of the public to “make America a better place to live,” or statements criticizing how the country was being run. It is also clear these criteria disproportionately impacted conservative groups.

Regarding the other issue [Steele dossier] addressed by blackrams, I have posted quite a bit of documentation in this thread: And so, it begins.

This is an ongoing investigation.


A definitive response to the questions that I formulated.

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Be Bo Best


https://open.spotify.com/pl...Q1Gf3Yd9ORWVdCvJZQEU


the I'm goin to hell version

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Originally posted by maryjane:

Be Bo Best


https://open.spotify.com/pl...Q1Gf3Yd9ORWVdCvJZQEU


the I'm goin to hell version


The best recording of that song ever is the tenth one on the list in your second link. A true classic that almost did not even get recorded.
I have posted it here before: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0NigiwMtWE0

From the comments: "Every once in a great while, the Good Lord allows the stars to align, He points his finger down at the Earth and says, "Now!" This is what happened. One of the most amazing musical performances ever in mankind. Anyone who truly appreciates will shed a tear of joy hearing this over and over."

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Bebo Best... Benny Goodman... maryjane and williegoat are like the guy (the guy on the left) in my most favorite (now vintage) Geico commercial. Two Pennock's forum members that are "all about more."



Bebo Best... I wouldn't have known him from Adam (as that old idiom goes). Where have I been? A rhetorical question.

And it started with a letter from Kamala "Kama Sutra" (for those who insist) Harris, Cory "I am Spartacus" Booker, "Hazy" Mazie Hirono, Dianne "Di Fi" Feinstein, "Everybody loves Amy" Klobuchar and five other Senators (D). Including the aptly (or oddly) named Sheldon Whitehouse.

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Originally posted by olejoedad:

Oh yeah? this:
 
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Speculation that President Donald Trump might pardon Roger Stone has reached a fever pitch after Stone’s sentencing by a federal judge and the president’s repeated hints that he thinks the verdict unfair. But fortunately, the Constitution’s framers imagined this nightmare scenario—a suspected criminal president pardoning a co-conspirator—and they put in the Constitution language to legally prohibit the pardon power in exactly this kind of case.

Both the plain meaning of the Constitution’s text and the historical evidence show that once a president has been impeached, he or she loses the power to pardon anyone for criminal offenses connected to the articles of impeachment — and that even after the Senate’s failure to convict the president, he or she does not regain this power.

"Why President Trump Can’t Pardon Roger Stone"
Corey Brettschneider for Poitico; February 27, 2020.
https://www.politico.com/ne...-constitution-117757

"Corey Brettschneider is professor of political science at Brown University and visiting professor of law at Fordham Law School. He is the author of The Oath and the Office: A Guide To the Constitution For Future Presidents."

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Now I’m calling . That article is one man’s opinion and many disagree. The phrase “except in cases of impeachment” is vague at best, and far more ambiguous than the clearly worded “shall not be infringed” which some seem to bend like a balloon rendered into the likeness of a french poodle at the hands of a sideshow clown.

Here is a dissenting opinion from the admittedly Libertarian “Reason” magazine: https://reason.com/2020/02/...be-unconstitutional/

Even the oh-so-left "Snopes" is calling : https://www.snopes.com/fact...-during-impeachment/

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I just wanted to put a scare into him.

now tomorrow forever
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Originally posted by rinselberg:

I just wanted to put a scare into him.

now tomorrow forever


The ONLY people you scare Ronald are the psychiatric professionals who know that you are still allowed to run free.

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